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Article 21119
From: Bill Dauphin 
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 00:11:21 -0400
Subject: Books, Books, Books (was Re: Neal Stephenson)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On 4/28/02 6:11 AM, in article 3ccbca69.1167242866@news.sff.net, "Les"
<les@vrolyk.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 20:42:41 -0400, Bill Dauphin
> <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> _Earth Made of Glass_ is depressing... but every bit as well crafted and
>> compelling as AMOD. I haven't picked up the new one yet, but it's on my
>> birthday
>> list (along with _The Free Lunch_ by Spider). I wonder if anyone here has
>> read it,
>> and has anything to say (w/o, of course, spoiling it for the rest of us).
>> 
>> -JovBill
>> 
> 
> 
> I don't think you wanted reviews of The Free Lunch, but I picked it up
> at the library a few weeks ago and enjoyed it very much.  Fun!
> 
> Les
> 

I finally got around to buying it myself, and enjoyed it muchly. I wonder if
we'll ever see the Varley collaboration Spider alludes to in the Foreword
(or is it an Introduction?)?

BTW, not only did the basic premise remind me a little bit of _Dream Park_
(et seq), Annie reminded me more than a little bit of Mary Em. Thoughts,
anyone?

While we're at it, I also picked up _The Merchants of Souls_, the latest
installment in John Barnes' "Thousand Cultures" series. The good news is
that it's very good, at least on par with if not better than the first two.
The better news is that Barnes makes clear in an Afterword that he has two
more books in the series planned out.

While we're *still* at it, I've also recently read Allen Steele's latest,
_Chronospace_ (my family got me that and a Bill Bryson book for my birthday,
which is why I had to buy the Robinson and Barnes for myself!). It's a very
engaging time-travel yarn... better than _Oceanspace_ IMHO... with some
interesting similarities to Orson Scott Card's Christopher Columbus novel (I
forget the title), not to mention something in common with the recent movie
version of _The Time Machine_ (based on what I've heard, anyway).

Happy to talk about any of the above, but I didn't want to put in too many
spoilers.

-JovBill



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Article 21120
From: Geo Rule 
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:13:38 -0700
Subject: Re: Carmack in Space
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


Thanks, WJaKe.

On Mon, 27 May 2002 12:02:33 -0400, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:

>http://www.armadilloaerospace.com/
>
>Don't know much about them myself, but I'm cruising the website, to see what
>they are up to.
>
>WJaKe
>


Geo Rule

http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
****
Specializing in the Confederate Secret Service,
the Sultana, Gratiot St. Prison, Jesse James & Friends,
Copperheads, the Northwest Conspiracy, and the Damn Dutch

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Article 21121
From: Geo Rule 
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:16:01 -0700
Subject: Re: Autographed Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


A terribly sad story.  We're drowning in books, but still need more
for our Missouri work.<g>  If RAH had given it to us himself, or it
was our only autographed RAH, of course we would never part with it.
Will be less than heart-broken if it doesn't hit the reserve price
tho.


On Tue, 04 Jun 2002 23:50:30 -0400, Bill Dauphin
<dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>On 6/2/02 3:37 PM, in article 3cfa7279.785785@NEWS.SFF.NET, "Deb Houdek
>Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote:
>
>> 
>> I've put a few books from my collection up for sale on Ebay. The
>> first is a signed limited edition of "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls"
>> signed by both Robert A Heinlein and the cover artist Michael Whelan.
>> With it is paired an uncorrected proof edition of the book.
>
>Dare I ask why you would part with such treasure? I hope there's no sad
>story involved.
>
>-JovBill


Geo Rule

http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
****
Specializing in the Confederate Secret Service,
the Sultana, Gratiot St. Prison, Jesse James & Friends,
Copperheads, the Northwest Conspiracy, and the Damn Dutch

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Article 21122
From: Eli Hestermann 
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 08:34:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Books, Books, Books (was Re: Neal Stephenson)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Bill Dauphin wrote:

> While we're at it, I also picked up _The Merchants of Souls_, the latest
> installment in John Barnes' "Thousand Cultures" series. The good news is
> that it's very good, at least on par with if not better than the first two.
> The better news is that Barnes makes clear in an Afterword that he has two
> more books in the series planned out.

Cool!  I still haven't read beyond the first one, but numbers 2 and 3 will be
pickedup at the library this week.


I did finish Stephenson's _Cryptonomicon_ and _Diamond Age_.  I have a friend
who's a WWII buff, and it occurs to me that he would enjoy reading just the
portions of Cryptonomicon set in that period.  Both books werea little
unfulfilling for me in that they just ended, without a satisfying plot
resolution.  I'm finding that to be a common theme in his works.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa."  -Seneca



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Article 21123
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 11:50:31 -0400
Subject: Normandy Beach
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

It has been 58 years since so many brave young men either waded
ashore or washed ashore onto the beaches of Normandy.  We, the
living owe them so much.

`Lest we forget.

Ed J

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Article 21124
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 16:01:09 GMT
Subject: An extremely funny article, and some interesting notes on copyright of internet materials
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

First the article.  "Things My Girlfriend and I have Argued About"
This guy has a wicked sense of humor.  It's a long read, but worth it.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mil.millington/things.html

Next, one of the links within the article, which details the author's
tribulations when his article was stolen and printed by a British
newspaper.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mil.millington/saga.htm

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Article 21125
From: Voxwoman 
Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:00:43 -0400
Subject: Re: An extremely funny article, and some interesting notes on copyright of internet materials
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I don't know whether to thank you or not! I *did* have things I wanted 
to do today besides read this person's hysterically funny website...
-wendy of nj

Jai Johnson-Pickett wrote:

> First the article.  "Things My Girlfriend and I have Argued About"
> This guy has a wicked sense of humor.  It's a long read, but worth it.
> 
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mil.millington/things.html
> 
> Next, one of the links within the article, which details the author's
> tribulations when his article was stolen and printed by a British
> newspaper.
> 
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mil.millington/saga.htm
> 


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Article 21126
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 16:47:05 GMT
Subject: Re: An extremely funny article, and some interesting notes on copyright of internet materials
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:00:43 -0400, Voxwoman <voxwoman@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>I don't know whether to thank you or not! I *did* have things I wanted 
>to do today besides read this person's hysterically funny website...
>-wendy of nj
>
>Jai Johnson-Pickett wrote:
>
I gotta go with Wendy here.  I don't know whether to curse Jai or
thank her.  It took me quite a while to read through the page.

Mil & Margret's relationship isn't much like mine with Christine, but
the overlap, when it happens, is scary.  Plus, I think I just like
British 'conversational' prose. ;)

JT

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Article 21127
From: Teresa Redmond 
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:45:10 -0400
Subject: Re: An extremely funny article, and some interesting notes on copyright of internet materials
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Sun, 09 Jun 2002 16:47:05 GMT, in sff.discuss.heinlein-forum,
JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) quoth:

>On Sat, 08 Jun 2002 18:00:43 -0400, Voxwoman <voxwoman@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>>I don't know whether to thank you or not! I *did* have things I wanted 
>>to do today besides read this person's hysterically funny website...
>>-wendy of nj
>>
>>Jai Johnson-Pickett wrote:
>>
>I gotta go with Wendy here.  I don't know whether to curse Jai or
>thank her.  It took me quite a while to read through the page.
>
>Mil & Margret's relationship isn't much like mine with Christine, but
>the overlap, when it happens, is scary.  Plus, I think I just like
>British 'conversational' prose. ;)

This was *so* funny.  But Mil would have said that *so* much better...
I have to thank you for posting it, even though it's probably way off
topic here...  (and I intend to send the link to many of my friends)

-- 
~teresa~

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  http://www.heinleinsociety.org/ & http://rahbooks.virtualave.net/
 "Blert!!!"  quoth Pixel, a small, yellow cat.
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Article 21128
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:25:40 GMT
Subject: Heinlein Award Created
Newsgroups: sff.people.robert-a-heinlein
            sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

So why isn't this on the Heinlein Society webpage?  (from scifi.com):

12:00pm ET, 7-June-02 

 Heinlein Award Created 

The Heinlein Society announced that it is establishing the Heinlein
Award, for outstanding published works in hard SF and technical
writings that inspire the human exploration of space, Locus magazine
reported. The award is named for legendary SF author Robert A.
Heinlein.

The award will be given periodically, but no more often than annually,
and will consist of a certificate and a trophy, the magazine reported.
The winner will be selected by an advisory board, currently consisting
of Greg Bear, Joe Haldeman, Yoji Kondo, Elizabeth Moon, Larry Niven,
Jerry Pournelle, Spider Robinson, Stanley Schmidt and Charles
Sheffield, plus U.S. Naval Academy English professors Herb Gilliland
and John Hill.



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Article 21129
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:50:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Award Created
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

JT:   The concept and the honor of receiving an award in the name of
Robert Heinlein is most impressive.

Ed J (2 cents worth)



On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:25:40 GMT, JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) wrote:

>So why isn't this on the Heinlein Society webpage?  (from scifi.com):
>
>12:00pm ET, 7-June-02 
>
> Heinlein Award Created 
>
>The Heinlein Society announced that it is establishing the Heinlein
>Award, for outstanding published works in hard SF and technical
>writings that inspire the human exploration of space, Locus magazine
>reported. The award is named for legendary SF author Robert A.
>Heinlein.
>
>The award will be given periodically, but no more often than annually,
>and will consist of a certificate and a trophy, the magazine reported.
>The winner will be selected by an advisory board, currently consisting
>of Greg Bear, Joe Haldeman, Yoji Kondo, Elizabeth Moon, Larry Niven,
>Jerry Pournelle, Spider Robinson, Stanley Schmidt and Charles
>Sheffield, plus U.S. Naval Academy English professors Herb Gilliland
>and John Hill.
>


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Article 21130
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:54:59 -0400
Subject: Re: An extremely funny article, and some interesting notes on copyright of internet materials
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

JT:  TFIC:  Was someone off topic here?  I guess that the thought
police must have been napping. <g>
(It's not ever off topic to talk about being off topic.)
Ed J

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:45:10 -0400, Teresa Redmond
<pixel.meow@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Jun 2002 16:47:05 GMT, in sff.discuss.heinlein-forum,
>JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) quoth:
           <snip>
>>
>
>This was *so* funny.  But Mil would have said that *so* much better...
>I have to thank you for posting it, even though it's probably way off
>topic here...  (and I intend to send the link to many of my friends)


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Article 21131
From: David Silver 
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 20:18:44 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Award Created
Newsgroups: sff.people.robert-a-heinlein
            sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

JT wrote:

> So why isn't this on the Heinlein Society webpage?  (from scifi.com):
> 


Details will be. Don't worry. <g>


> 12:00pm ET, 7-June-02 
> 
>  Heinlein Award Created 
> 
> The Heinlein Society announced that it is establishing the Heinlein
> Award, for outstanding published works in hard SF and technical
> writings that inspire the human exploration of space, Locus magazine
> reported. The award is named for legendary SF author Robert A.
> Heinlein.
> 
> The award will be given periodically, but no more often than annually,
> and will consist of a certificate and a trophy, the magazine reported.
> The winner will be selected by an advisory board, currently consisting
> of Greg Bear, Joe Haldeman, Yoji Kondo, Elizabeth Moon, Larry Niven,
> Jerry Pournelle, Spider Robinson, Stanley Schmidt and Charles
> Sheffield, plus U.S. Naval Academy English professors Herb Gilliland
> and John Hill.
> 
> 
> 



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Article 21132
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:25:44 GMT
Subject: Re: An extremely funny article, and some interesting notes on copyright of internet materials
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:54:59 -0400, Ed Johnson
<eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:

>JT:  TFIC:  Was someone off topic here?  I guess that the thought
>police must have been napping. <g>
>(It's not ever off topic to talk about being off topic.)
>Ed J

Ahem--from the archives:

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Article: 36
From: tilden@prodigy.net (JT)
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 22:39:43 GMT
Subject: Re: HF Charter?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:28:32 GMT, objective@earthlink.net (Brian E.
Scherrer) wrote:
> perhaps it might be
>a good idea to define what is considered acceptable/unacceptable
>content for this newsgroup and "formalize" it in the form a a charter,
>or HF FAQ sort of document that could be reposted periodically?
>  It might be useful to define three catagories of acceptability:
>Fully appropriate, appropriate if Rot13 encoded, and unacceptable
>under any circumstances (such as commercial spam).

Far as I'm concerned, the only thing inappropriate would be spam.  I
wish there could be a way to ban the complete reposting of initial
posts in replies also.  But that's more of a pet peeve than anything
else.


JT

-----------------------------------------------
"I never learned from a man I agreed with"--RAH
-----------------------------------------------


And a little further down:

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Article: 51
From: Bob Lawson <lawson@inreach.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 22:22:39 -0800
Subject: Re: HF Charter?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Who follows rules? We can always twit switch people who attack people
instead of ideas. We've been lucky in scaring off people who don't
have
ideas on P*, so natural selection will probably take care of itself
unless we get totally drowned in Spam. Haven't seen any yet. 
    What's Rot 13 anyway? Sounds like some sort of decomposition.  
     Hey Geo - is your friend the RAH scholar here? 
       Take care, Audrey

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<new post:>
I wonder if Audrey ever found that RAH scholar? <VBG>

I'm still annoyed about complete repostings in articles, BTW. ;)

JT

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Article 21133
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:41:53 GMT
Subject: Happy Birthday to the HF!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

WJaKe visited a few weeks ago and we were talking about the beginnings
of the HF on Prodigy.  We got out Angel's old yearbook and realized
that the HF is now in its eleventh year of serious posting.  Maybe
we're not the WELL, but that's a pretty long in Internet time, folks.

Didn't Carol do the ASCII art?  where's a cake when you need one?

(Searches google:)

            \\\//
             (0 0)
  .----oOO----(_)-----------.
  |    Happy Birthday!  |
  |                               |
  `------------------oOO----'
            |__|__|
             ||     ||
          ooO Ooo

Who knows how well that will post?  The cake didn't look so hot....

Anyway, Happy Birthday to us.....

JT



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Article 21134
From: Eli Hestermann 
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:32:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Award Created
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I forwarded this on to Elizabeth Moon's group.  Many congrats are coming
her way, and it's led some tender soul to ask, "So what is "hard SF"
anyway?"  The discussion has been surprisingly calm. [g]

--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@tmlp.com
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca



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Article 21135
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 23:27:18 -0400
Subject: Re: An extremely funny article, and some interesting notes on copyright of internet materials
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

JT:  My last post had a typo: "ever" should have been "even".  And
"TFIC" was prominently displayed.      ;-)

Ed J

>
>>JT:  TFIC:  Was someone off topic here?  I guess that the thought
>>police must have been napping. <g>
>>(It's not ever off topic to talk about being off topic.)
>>Ed J
>

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Article 21136
From: Charles Graft 
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:40:10 -0500
Subject: Re: An extremely funny article, and some interesting notes on copyright
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

JT wrote:

>
> I'm still annoyed about complete repostings in articles, BTW. ;)
>
> JT

All--

     Me too.  There was one not too long ago that had about six levels of
replies in it.  Let's use some sense here, people.  Post just enough to
make clear the point that you are responding to.

--
<<Big Charlie>>

"Democracy is a form of worship.  It is the worship of jackals by
jackasses." --  H. L. Mencken



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Article 21137
From: Eli Hestermann 
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 05:43:46 -0400
Subject: Re: An extremely funny article, and some interesting notes on copyright
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

It's been a few years since we've had this discussion.  Wasn't it bytor who
said if he didn't see any non-quoted text without scrolling down, then he
wouldn't read the post?

I know people who either quote all of it, or none, so that they can't be
accused of taking something out of context.

Oh, and I keep forgetting, happy birthday, HF!

Charles Graft wrote:

> JT wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm still annoyed about complete repostings in articles, BTW. ;)
> >
> > JT
>
>      Me too.

--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@tmlp.com
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca



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