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Article 23173
From: JT
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:45:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 22:53:50 -0500, Ed Johnson
<eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
>JT: How far are you traveling? My travel time should be less than
>2 hr 20 min. (this trip once took over 3 hours as I ran into
>rush-hour traffic as I passed west of NYC).
>
We were staying near my Dad's on Long Island, it was 5 hours going, 6
hours returning today (we had a long lunch, traffic wasn't too bad.
REALLY glad I'm home already and not fighting the weekend traffic.)
Of course, the dinner was in Brooklyn, and then my brother Don & I
visited my oldest brother who is in the hospital in another part of
Brooklyn. So I spent another 3 hours or so in the car yesterday.
Dinner was excellent. Turkey, potatoes & gravy, green bean casserole,
broccoli casserole, turnips for my dad. A cranberry sauce similiar to
Fader's recipe (it's one of my sister-in-law's standards for holidays,
I love it). And to finish it all off, we had apple pie, pumpkin pie,
and Italian pastries from a bakery near them. Yum.
JT
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Article 23174
From: JT
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 08:43:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:45:33 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>We were staying near my Dad's on Long Island, it was 5 hours going, 6
>hours returning today (we had a long lunch, traffic wasn't too bad.
>REALLY glad I'm home already and not fighting the weekend traffic.)
>
From the "glass is half-full" department: Both kids have a stomach
virus, which hit at 10:30 p.m. and 12:30 a.m. for Danny & Davey. So
we're not doing much of anything today until they can hold down food.
Danny had some breakfast & seems OK but Davey is not. Christine
doesn't feel well but isn't 'sick'. I have had better nights. :(
Sigh. Oh, the half-full part? At least we weren't in a hotel room
last night, and we're among familiar toys & sights today.....
JT
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Article 23175
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 07:14:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I bet you got the recipe from Good Eats' "Romancing the Bird" episode.
We stayed with some friends last week who are die-hard Alton Brown fans.
I love the show, myself.
Filksinger wrote:
>Thanks.
>
>The entire recipe I got that from is one that I expect to be delicious, but
>have never quite had the opportunity to do. The problem is two-fold. It
>takes time to brine a bird, and brining doesn't work if the bird is
>pre-basted. I have found that, these days, birds not pre-basted typically
>will be "natural" birds, which doubles the price.
>
>Since I shop for the deals, I end up with the wrong birds, and the price I
>pay is 1/5th the "natural" bird's price, but I can't brine. Given the amount
>of work, this is generally partially deliberate.
>
>
>
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@charter.net
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 23176
From: gunner"
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:34:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
sympathy to the kids jt, from a grandpa that's been through all that many
times and seeing it all again with a grand daughter.
"gunner"
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"JT" <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote in message
news:4c8hsvoour3v2lt84fqlufgtnch7uml7pi@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:45:33 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>
> >We were staying near my Dad's on Long Island, it was 5 hours going, 6
> >hours returning today (we had a long lunch, traffic wasn't too bad.
> >REALLY glad I'm home already and not fighting the weekend traffic.)
> >
> From the "glass is half-full" department: Both kids have a stomach
> virus, which hit at 10:30 p.m. and 12:30 a.m. for Danny & Davey. So
> we're not doing much of anything today until they can hold down food.
> Danny had some breakfast & seems OK but Davey is not. Christine
> doesn't feel well but isn't 'sick'. I have had better nights. :(
>
> Sigh. Oh, the half-full part? At least we weren't in a hotel room
> last night, and we're among familiar toys & sights today.....
>
> JT
>
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Article 23177
From: JT
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:12:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:34:21 -0500, "gunner" <gunnera4@sover.net>
wrote:
>sympathy to the kids jt, from a grandpa that's been through all that many
>times and seeing it all again with a grand daughter.
>"gunner"
Thanks, gunner. Danny is really out-of-sorts even though he's no
longer stomachsick. He actually took a nap this afternoon, fell
asleep on the couch while sitting with us; he didn't even ask for
lunch. That's only the second time he's actually fallen asleep
without being prompted that I can remember!
At least my brother in the hospital and my elderly dad didn't catch
it, so we must have been breathed on by someone at a rest stop on
Friday!
JT
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Article 23178
From: Filksinger"
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 16:44:12 -0800
Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
That's the one. I am not a "die-hard" fan of much of anything on TV these
days, but I always enjoyed his work. If you would like to see transcripts of
the show and/or get the recipes, try http://www.goodeatsfanpage.com.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
Eli Hestermann wrote:
> I bet you got the recipe from Good Eats' "Romancing the Bird" episode.
>
> We stayed with some friends last week who are die-hard Alton Brown
> fans.
> I love the show, myself.
>
> Filksinger wrote:
>
> > Thanks.
> >
> > The entire recipe I got that from is one that I expect to be
> > delicious, but have never quite had the opportunity to do. The
> > problem is two-fold. It takes time to brine a bird, and brining
> > doesn't work if the bird is pre-basted. I have found that, these
> > days, birds not pre-basted typically will be "natural" birds, which
> > doubles the price.
> >
> > Since I shop for the deals, I end up with the wrong birds, and the
> > price I pay is 1/5th the "natural" bird's price, but I can't brine.
> > Given the amount of work, this is generally partially deliberate.
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Article 23179
From: David Wright"
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:57:19 -0500
Subject: Upcoming Readers Group Discussion on Dec 4&6
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The next meeting of the Heinlein Readers Group will be Thursday Dec. 4 at
9:00 P.M. EST and Saturday Dec. 6 at 5:00 P.M. EST.
The topic is: Genetic Selection in Heinlein
See: http://tinyurl.com/x8cm for previous discussions on A.F.H.
--
David Wright
See http://heinleinsociety.org/readersgroup/index.html#Info for instructions
Go to top of that page for list of previous discussion logs.
http://heinleinsociety.org
http://home.alltel.net/dwrighsr
Benefit The Heinlein Society by ordering books thru:
http://home.alltel.net/dwrighsr/heinlein-amazon.htm
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Article 23180
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:22:51 GMT
Subject: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
After many & varied adventures with his new computer, Mark has wound
up putting in a new HD. The HD software loaded fine from the CD & he's
trying to install windows, but keeps getting the following message;
NTLDR is missing
Anybody have any idea what this means?
Thanx,
Fader
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Article 23181
From: JT
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 19:57:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 11:22:51 GMT, fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
wrote:
>After many & varied adventures with his new computer, Mark has wound
>up putting in a new HD. The HD software loaded fine from the CD & he's
>trying to install windows, but keeps getting the following message;
>
>NTLDR is missing
>
Either he's trying to boot from a floppy without system files on it (a
bootable floppy) or
(most likely) he's trying to run Windows setup from the CD(which boots
OK) but the computer isn't set to try "booting from CD" before
"booting from the HD". There's a BIOS setting under the main setup
(usually hitting del, or f1 or f2 when the machine turns on gets you
into the BIOS setup) which determines boot order. CD-ROM needs to be
before HD or C: .
That's an educated guess. It knows that NTLDR is missing so there's
some kind of boot record that is looking for Windows NT, 2000, or XP
disks of some sort and isn't finding them.
Hope that helps. Filk will probably come along and nail the problem
more succinctly. ;)
JT
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Article 23182
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:55:32 -0800
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
<snip>
> Hope that helps. Filk will probably come along and nail the problem
> more succinctly. ;)
Looks like you've got it, actually. They are trying to boot off the hard
drive, which doesn't have windows.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 23183
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 07:10:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:55:32 -0800, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
There's a switch after the start (F11), where we tell it to "Boot from
CD" & we still get this message, also keyboard seems frozen at that
time. Will it be different if I go change it in the Bios settings
instead?
Fader
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Article 23184
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:10:07 -0800
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Fader wrote:
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 20:55:32 -0800, "Filksinger"
> <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>
> There's a switch after the start (F11), where we tell it to "Boot from
> CD" & we still get this message, also keyboard seems frozen at that
> time. Will it be different if I go change it in the Bios settings
> instead?
Hmm. You may have more problems than we thought. If the CD is a legitimate
Windows CD for any version after 95, it should boot just fine doing what you
described.
Do you have a floppy drive? You may need Windows setup boot floppies.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 23185
From: JT
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:18:01 -0500
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:10:07 -0800, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>> There's a switch after the start (F11), where we tell it to "Boot from
>> CD" & we still get this message, also keyboard seems frozen at that
>> time. Will it be different if I go change it in the Bios settings
>> instead?
>
>Hmm. You may have more problems than we thought. If the CD is a legitimate
>Windows CD for any version after 95, it should boot just fine doing what you
>described.
>
>Do you have a floppy drive? You may need Windows setup boot floppies.
Fader, since you already get the option and it's not doing it, I agree
with Filk, there's something going on here.
Maybe the BIOS would need an upgrade to work with the XP operating
system? I don't recall the specifics of Mark's hardware to know how
old the base motherboard, etc. are. You shouldn't have to be working
this hard. Were there any other recent hardware changes besides the
new harddrive?
JT
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Article 23186
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:17:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT: You may have hit upon something there (BIOS upgrade, that is.)
I upgraded my old P-2 450 machine's bios _prior_ to uping from W98
to W2k just to be sure it would work.
An old bios/motherboard might just be giving them trouble.
Ed J
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 16:18:01 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 2 Dec 2003 23:10:07 -0800, "Filksinger"
><filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>
>>> There's a switch after the start (F11), where we tell it to "Boot from
>>> CD" & we still get this message, also keyboard seems frozen at that
>>> time. Will it be different if I go change it in the Bios settings
>>> instead?
>>
>>Hmm. You may have more problems than we thought. If the CD is a legitimate
>>Windows CD for any version after 95, it should boot just fine doing what you
>>described.
>>
>>Do you have a floppy drive? You may need Windows setup boot floppies.
>
>Fader, since you already get the option and it's not doing it, I agree
>with Filk, there's something going on here.
>
>Maybe the BIOS would need an upgrade to work with the XP operating
>system? I don't recall the specifics of Mark's hardware to know how
>old the base motherboard, etc. are. You shouldn't have to be working
>this hard. Were there any other recent hardware changes besides the
>new harddrive?
>
>JT
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Article 23187
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 10:32:01 GMT
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:17:28 -0500, Ed Johnson
<eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
Everything should be new, but I'll go look for a BIOS update, how do I
go about installing such a thing? The only hardware that we installed
was a floppy drive.
Fader
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Article 23188
From: Kevin Patrick Crowley
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:51:54 -0600
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Then you have most of what you need. Find the manufacturers site and
the bios should be there for downlod. usually in a form that either
fits or requires a floppy.
kevin
Fader wrote:
> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 22:17:28 -0500, Ed Johnson
> <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
>
> Everything should be new, but I'll go look for a BIOS update, how do I
> go about installing such a thing? The only hardware that we installed
> was a floppy drive.
>
> Fader
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Article 23189
From: JT
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:28:29 -0500
Subject: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
So who else has their honestly-bought copy of FUTL? Mine came in the
mail today from Amazon. :)
Except now I'm not feeling well and I don't know when I will get a
chance to actually -read- it. :(
JT
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Article 23190
From: Wendy of NJ
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 20:53:36 -0500
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I got it the day before my birthday from Barnes & Noble (woohoo!). I've
read the Intro from Spider Robinson, but I have to delay and read my
mother's new book first (you know how that is. Family comes first and
all that). If you're curious it's "An Encounter With Venus" by Elizabeth
Mansfield, and it's a Regency Romance.
-Wendy
JT wrote:
> So who else has their honestly-bought copy of FUTL? Mine came in the
> mail today from Amazon. :)
>
> Except now I'm not feeling well and I don't know when I will get a
> chance to actually -read- it. :(
>
> JT
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Article 23191
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:58:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:51:54 -0600, Kevin Patrick Crowley
<kevin.crowley@crowleyenterprises.com> wrote:
>> Everything should be new, but I'll go look for a BIOS update, how do I
>> go about installing such a thing?
Should have been more clear, how do I install an updated BIOS in a
computer that's not working?
Fader
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Article 23192
From: JT
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:07:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:58:20 GMT, fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
wrote:
>On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 12:51:54 -0600, Kevin Patrick Crowley
><kevin.crowley@crowleyenterprises.com> wrote:
>
>>> Everything should be new, but I'll go look for a BIOS update, how do I
>>> go about installing such a thing?
>
>Should have been more clear, how do I install an updated BIOS in a
>computer that's not working?
>
>Fader
Here's where you start to become a geek, Fader. Realize that your
problem is that you don't have a recognized boot program. The REST of
the computer is just fine (we're assuming) it just can't do much
without more programming to run. ;)
Since the files are small enough to fit on a floppy, you use a
bootable floppy, then run the BIOS upgrade from A: . It updates the
stuff on the motherboard, and then hopefully the Windows install
works.
If your next question is: where do I get a bootable floppy from?
That's a good question, and I'm not sure of the easiest answer. You
can make one from a working Windows machine, and how to do it varies
depending on what OS you have. On XP, one of the options on a floppy
format is "Make a DOS Startup Disk".
In 95 or 98 at a command line/MS-DOS prompt you'd type:
FORMAT A: /S
If all else fails the floppy that had the HD software on it is
probably bootable and you could copy the BIOS upgrade to that. The
site with the upgrade should probably have instructions similiar to
mine anyway.
Hope that helps.
JT
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Article 23193
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:35:26 GMT
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>So who else has their honestly-bought copy of FUTL? Mine came in the
>mail today from Amazon. :)
Our copies arrived yesterday. I read the intro by Spider Robinson
and the afterword by Robert James last night (both very good). You can
safely read both without seeing a word that Heinlein wrote--there are
white pages separating these parts from the book content. I haven't
yet looked at any of the story, not even the first word. Not sure when
I'll read it. Maybe next week on my days off, may hold it and wait.
I _could_ read the other two stories of the Lost Three now and keep
this one unread, but probably not.
Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com
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Article 23194
From: Robert Slater"
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 18:31:19 -0800
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT,
Got mine, too in the same shipment as Spider's Callahan's Con. Today's been
a good day. I finished one of my Master's Classes 5 days early, figured out
a way to get 13 computers instead of 11 for my grant money and a few other
cool successes. Then I come home and find those two books. Spider's
forward made me cry. Good stuff.
Rob [SIFI]
"JT" <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote in message
news:t5dvsvs17iosm03johg319c3nj2q8vl1nq@4ax.com...
> So who else has their honestly-bought copy of FUTL? Mine came in the
> mail today from Amazon. :)
>
> Except now I'm not feeling well and I don't know when I will get a
> chance to actually -read- it. :(
>
> JT
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Article 23195
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:22:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Carol:
I just ran across some good quotes:
1) I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity
is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by
the handle.
-- Winston Churchill
2) A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on
the support of Paul.
-- George Bernard Shaw
3) A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man,
which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.
-- G. Gordon Liddy
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:03:06 -0600, cdozo
<cadozo@planet-save.comDELETE> wrote:
>In two different places today I've been asked for my favorite quote.
>It got me to wondering...
>
>What's your favorite quote?
>
>I have two.
>
>1.) "A man's judgement is no better than his information."
>This is from the cover of a notebook my grandfather had a long time
>ago. The binder was from The United Business Service. My grandfater
>was a banker.
>
>2) "You're not really drunk if you can lie on the floor without
>holding on"
>This is my alltime favorite quote. I got it in an e-mailed list of
>quotes where it was attributed to Dean Martin.
>
>Carol
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Article 23196
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:50:34 -0500
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT: I came home this evening and found the box from Amazon.com on
my front step with FU,TL flopping around inside. I read the intro
and the postscript.
The book itself has some bad printing within it. After page 246 is
a wierdly printed page 276 with the same words on it. and the cover
has some deformities (a lump glued inside) but it does look to be in
readable condition. I can't wait <g>.
Ed
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:28:29 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>So who else has their honestly-bought copy of FUTL? Mine came in the
>mail today from Amazon. :)
>
>Except now I'm not feeling well and I don't know when I will get a
>chance to actually -read- it. :(
>
>JT
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Article 23197
From: \"gunner\""
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:41:31 -0500
Subject: i'm baack
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
i've just been through reworking my computer, and in the process of putting
in a new motherboard and processor, lost all my sff.net groups in the
process when the new "mutha" board didn't like win98 and i had to reformat
and install winxp pro. i was strongly tempted to set a claymore up in front
of this gadget, lay back a bit and "FIRE in the HOLE!". hopefully it will
still let me post, i'd hate to be just a lurker here.
"gunner"
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Article 23198
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:38:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:07:30 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>Here's where you start to become a geek, Fader. Realize that your
>problem is that you don't have a recognized boot program. The REST of
>the computer is just fine (we're assuming) it just can't do much
>without more programming to run. ;)
>
>Since the files are small enough to fit on a floppy, you use a
>bootable floppy, then run the BIOS upgrade from A: . It updates the
>stuff on the motherboard, and then hopefully the Windows install
>works.
>
I remember bootable floppies from back in DOS times, had Command.com &
a few other files (attrib.something & config.sys maybe)
>If your next question is: where do I get a bootable floppy from?
>That's a good question, and I'm not sure of the easiest answer. You
>can make one from a working Windows machine, and how to do it varies
>depending on what OS you have. On XP, one of the options on a floppy
>format is "Make a DOS Startup Disk".
>
>In 95 or 98 at a command line/MS-DOS prompt you'd type:
>FORMAT A: /S
>
Where tho would one get a XP bootable, since my machine is '98 ?
>If all else fails the floppy that had the HD software on it is
>probably bootable and you could copy the BIOS upgrade to that. The
>site with the upgrade should probably have instructions similiar to
>mine anyway.
>
Mark went & talked to some people at the local computer store,
apparently the MaxBlast3 ( Maxxtor HDs) writes stuff to where XP wants
to write things thus prompting all these error messages. He's done
what they told him ( something about zeroing the drive) & then
installing the windows CD. He was doing it the last time I checked,
tho was still having problems with the install suddenly hanging & then
he'd have to start over from the beginning. I'll let you know how it
goes.
Stay tuned
Same Battime, same Batchannel.
Fader
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Article 23199
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:45:20 -0800
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <ugm2tvcisvk4b2irkbcmennvh523t5mg4n@4ax.com>,
Ed Johnson <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
> JT: I came home this evening and found the box from Amazon.com on
> my front step with FU,TL flopping around inside. I read the intro
> and the postscript.
> The book itself has some bad printing within it. After page 246 is
> a wierdly printed page 276 with the same words on it. and the cover
> has some deformities (a lump glued inside) but it does look to be in
> readable condition. I can't wait <g>.
>
> Ed
>
Ed,
Please shoot a scan of page "276" and e-mail it to me. I'll pass it on
to the editor at "Scribner's" as I'm sure she'll be interested and
possibly in a position to do something to ensure there are not more like
that out there.
--
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88
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Article 23200
From: Filksinger"
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 03:00:06 -0800
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Fader wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 08:07:30 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>
<snip>
> I remember bootable floppies from back in DOS times, had Command.com &
> a few other files (attrib.something & config.sys maybe)
Command.com, msdos.sys, io.sys.
> Where tho would one get a XP bootable, since my machine is '98 ?
Not necessary for a BIOS update. A DOS boot disk would be sufficient.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 23201
From: Mike Cothran
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 08:54:39 -0600
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"David M. Silver" wrote:
> In article <ugm2tvcisvk4b2irkbcmennvh523t5mg4n@4ax.com>,
> Ed Johnson <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
>
> > JT: I came home this evening and found the box from Amazon.com on
> > my front step with FU,TL flopping around inside. I read the intro
> > and the postscript.
> > The book itself has some bad printing within it. After page 246 is
> > a wierdly printed page 276 with the same words on it. and the cover
> > has some deformities (a lump glued inside) but it does look to be in
> > readable condition. I can't wait <g>.
> >
> > Ed
> >
>
> Ed,
>
> Please shoot a scan of page "276" and e-mail it to me. I'll pass it on
> to the editor at "Scribner's" as I'm sure she'll be interested and
> possibly in a position to do something to ensure there are not more like
> that out there.
David, that page number sequence is from the original mss, as reproduced in
the hardback, after the end and just before the appendices I have 276 from
the original mss fex. The hardback only has page numbers to 235 before the
appendices (they end on 241) so 246 would be into the Afterword. However the
glue blob is a different matter.
--
Mike C
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Article 23202
From: Mike Cothran
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 08:56:16 -0600
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Mike Cothran wrote:
> "David M. Silver" wrote:
>
> > In article <ugm2tvcisvk4b2irkbcmennvh523t5mg4n@4ax.com>,
> > Ed Johnson <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
> >
> > > JT: I came home this evening and found the box from Amazon.com on
> > > my front step with FU,TL flopping around inside. I read the intro
> > > and the postscript.
> > > The book itself has some bad printing within it. After page 246 is
> > > a wierdly printed page 276 with the same words on it. and the cover
> > > has some deformities (a lump glued inside) but it does look to be in
> > > readable condition. I can't wait <g>.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > Please shoot a scan of page "276" and e-mail it to me. I'll pass it on
> > to the editor at "Scribner's" as I'm sure she'll be interested and
> > possibly in a position to do something to ensure there are not more like
> > that out there.
>
> David, that page number sequence is from the original mss, as reproduced in
> the hardback, after the end and just before the appendices I have 276 from
> the original mss fex. The hardback only has page numbers to 235 before the
> appendices (they end on 241) so 246 would be into the Afterword. However the
> glue blob is a different matter.
>
> --
> Mike C
Make the 274, rather.
--
Mike C
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Article 23203
From: Robert Slater"
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:35:31 -0800
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ed,
In my copy there is a scan of teh original manuscript page at the beginning
and end of the actual manuscript.
Rob
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote in message
news:ugm2tvcisvk4b2irkbcmennvh523t5mg4n@4ax.com...
> JT: I came home this evening and found the box from Amazon.com on
> my front step with FU,TL flopping around inside. I read the intro
> and the postscript.
> The book itself has some bad printing within it. After page 246 is
> a wierdly printed page 276 with the same words on it. and the cover
> has some deformities (a lump glued inside) but it does look to be in
> readable condition. I can't wait <g>.
>
> Ed
>
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:28:29 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>
> >So who else has their honestly-bought copy of FUTL? Mine came in the
> >mail today from Amazon. :)
> >
> >Except now I'm not feeling well and I don't know when I will get a
> >chance to actually -read- it. :(
> >
> >JT
>
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Article 23204
From: JT
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:13:40 -0500
Subject: Re: i'm baack
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:41:31 -0500, "\"gunner\"" <gunnera4@sover.net>
wrote:
>i've just been through reworking my computer, and in the process of putting
>in a new motherboard and processor, lost all my sff.net groups in the
>process when the new "mutha" board didn't like win98 and i had to reformat
>and install winxp pro. i was strongly tempted to set a claymore up in front
>of this gadget, lay back a bit and "FIRE in the HOLE!". hopefully it will
>still let me post, i'd hate to be just a lurker here.
>"gunner"
>
Seems like you're back okay, gunner. Bet you'll enjoy the new things
in XP over 98. MS did most things right with XP, IMO.
JT
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Article 23205
From: JT
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:16:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Mystery Message ??
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 07:38:25 GMT, fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
wrote:
>>If your next question is: where do I get a bootable floppy from?
>>That's a good question, and I'm not sure of the easiest answer. You
>>can make one from a working Windows machine, and how to do it varies
>>depending on what OS you have. On XP, one of the options on a floppy
>>format is "Make a DOS Startup Disk".
>>
>>In 95 or 98 at a command line/MS-DOS prompt you'd type:
>>FORMAT A: /S
>>
>Where tho would one get a XP bootable, since my machine is '98 ?
Notice I had 98 instructions in there. ;) You don't expect me to
always remember the configuration of every machine I've ever been
asked about?
>>
>Mark went & talked to some people at the local computer store,
>apparently the MaxBlast3 ( Maxxtor HDs) writes stuff to where XP wants
>to write things thus prompting all these error messages. He's done
>what they told him ( something about zeroing the drive) & then
>installing the windows CD. He was doing it the last time I checked,
>tho was still having problems with the install suddenly hanging & then
>he'd have to start over from the beginning. I'll let you know how it
>goes.
Ahh. So you need to do a complete reformat of the machine and get rid
of the "hidden" MaxBlast tools partition. Then let XP take over and
set up the NTFS disk system the way it wants to. Good luck!
JT
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Article 23206
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:01:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 12/5/03 11:22 PM, in article 89m2tvc87fujfhrji10fabg3r0d5gq27bn@4ax.com,
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net> wrote:
> Carol:
> I just ran across some good quotes:
>
> <snip>
> -- Winston Churchill
>
> <snip>
> -- George Bernard Shaw
>
> <snip>
> -- G. Gordon Liddy
>
OK, I expect to get flamed for saying this, but there's just something
cosmically wrong about including G. Gordon Liddy in a list that also
includes Churchill and Shaw.
-JovBill
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Article 23207
From: \"gunner\""
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:55:25 -0500
Subject: Re: i'm baack
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
thanks jt, the jury is still out on how i'll like xp pro. i'm old enough to
be a bit "set in my ways" and i'm a bit annoyed at losing a bunch of family
and personal photos i had stored in that "c" drive. i still have hardcopy of
most of them so i'll be able to rescan them but it's a pain in the arse. i
think this time round i'll back them up on disk as well. fortunately i had
put my favourite music and poetry on the "d" drive which wasn't affected. i
do like the xp media player console and the new hardware does improve the
sound reproduction. it will sort itself out with time and some "military
language", sort of like getting used to a new pcos.
"gunner"
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"JT" <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote in message
news:7ha4tvktamfg6plko9oaaegg1m7m3nr1q6@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:41:31 -0500, "\"gunner\"" <gunnera4@sover.net>
> wrote:
>
> >i've just been through reworking my computer, and in the process of
putting
> >in a new motherboard and processor, lost all my sff.net groups in the
> >process when the new "mutha" board didn't like win98 and i had to
reformat
> >and install winxp pro. i was strongly tempted to set a claymore up in
front
> >of this gadget, lay back a bit and "FIRE in the HOLE!". hopefully it will
> >still let me post, i'd hate to be just a lurker here.
> >"gunner"
> >
>
> Seems like you're back okay, gunner. Bet you'll enjoy the new things
> in XP over 98. MS did most things right with XP, IMO.
>
> JT
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Article 23208
From: Filksinger"
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 17:04:15 -0800
Subject: Re: i'm baack
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Back up that D drive NOW.:)
"gunner" wrote:
> thanks jt, the jury is still out on how i'll like xp pro. i'm old
> enough to be a bit "set in my ways" and i'm a bit annoyed at losing a
> bunch of family and personal photos i had stored in that "c" drive. i
> still have hardcopy of most of them so i'll be able to rescan them
> but it's a pain in the arse. i think this time round i'll back them
> up on disk as well. fortunately i had put my favourite music and
> poetry on the "d" drive which wasn't affected. i do like the xp media
> player console and the new hardware does improve the sound
> reproduction. it will sort itself out with time and some "military
> language", sort of like getting used to a new pcos. "gunner"
> ------------------------------
> "JT" <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote in message
> news:7ha4tvktamfg6plko9oaaegg1m7m3nr1q6@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:41:31 -0500, "\"gunner\"" <gunnera4@sover.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > i've just been through reworking my computer, and in the process
> > > of putting in a new motherboard and processor, lost all my
> > > sff.net groups in the process when the new "mutha" board didn't
> > > like win98 and i had to reformat and install winxp pro. i was
> > > strongly tempted to set a claymore up in front of this gadget,
> > > lay back a bit and "FIRE in the HOLE!". hopefully it will still
> > > let me post, i'd hate to be just a lurker here. "gunner"
> > >
> >
> > Seems like you're back okay, gunner. Bet you'll enjoy the new
> > things
> > in XP over 98. MS did most things right with XP, IMO.
> >
> > JT
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Article 23209
From: David Wright"
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 21:14:20 -0500
Subject: Re: i'm baack
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3fd27c93.0@news.sff.net...
> Back up that D drive NOW.:)
>
I heartedly agree. I almost lost everything a few weeks ago when my disk
appeared to be getting flaky. I was able to back it up before it got too
bad, then installed a new drive and ghosted the old C drive to it. No
problems after that. Since then I have become a fanatic on backing up. Only
my C drive has data on it, but I use my D drive to backup up my C and then
have a briefcase on my laptop with all of the backups from the D drive and a
second briefcase on an external usb harddrive which I use to back up my
laptop and the backups from the original computer. Takes me about 10-15
minutes for the first two phases and another 10 or so on the second phase.
--
David Wright
http://heinleinsociety.org
http://heinlein100.org
http://home.alltel.net/dwrighsr/
Benefit The Heinlein Society by ordering your books thru:
http://home.alltel.net/dwrighsr/heinlein-amazon.htm
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Article 23210
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 00:57:59 -0500
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
David:
I plan to buy a Scanner Real Soon Now. I have retired my old
scanner and haven't replace it yet. I'll see what I can do.
Ed J
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 23:45:20 -0800, "David M. Silver"
<ag.plusone@verizon.net> wrote:
>Ed,
>
>Please shoot a scan of page "276" and e-mail it to me. I'll pass it on
>to the editor at "Scribner's" as I'm sure she'll be interested and
>possibly in a position to do something to ensure there are not more like
>that out there.
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Article 23211
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:07:30 -0500
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Mike: You are correct with the numbering: In my edition: page 235
is The End and the next page has the askew (slanted and ink-smudged)
reproduction of (as you say) ? the manuscript page 274. The next
page, 237 begins "Appendix To Chapter IX"
As for the foreign object glued into the back cover; that is just
shoddy workmanship by the publisher.
Ed J
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 08:54:39 -0600, Mike Cothran
<cothranm@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>David, that page number sequence is from the original mss, as reproduced in
>the hardback, after the end and just before the appendices I have 276 from
>the original mss fex. The hardback only has page numbers to 235 before the
>appendices (they end on 241) so 246 would be into the Afterword. However the
>glue blob is a different matter.
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Article 23212
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:10:24 -0500
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Rob: Sounds like what they've done in my copy as well. I'm so
excited to have a 'new' Heinlein that I don't care what the
publisher has put in here <G>.
Ed
On Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:35:31 -0800, "Robert Slater"
<rslater215@comcast.net> wrote:
>Ed,
>In my copy there is a scan of teh original manuscript page at the beginning
>and end of the actual manuscript.
>Rob
>
>"E
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Article 23213
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:09:46 -0800
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3FD1EDAF.B5B947B1@bellsouth.net>,
Mike Cothran <cothranm@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "David M. Silver" wrote:
>
> > In article <ugm2tvcisvk4b2irkbcmennvh523t5mg4n@4ax.com>,
> > Ed Johnson <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
> >
> > > JT: I came home this evening and found the box from Amazon.com on
> > > my front step with FU,TL flopping around inside. I read the intro
> > > and the postscript.
> > > The book itself has some bad printing within it. After page 246 is
> > > a wierdly printed page 276 with the same words on it. and the cover
> > > has some deformities (a lump glued inside) but it does look to be in
> > > readable condition. I can't wait <g>.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > Please shoot a scan of page "276" and e-mail it to me. I'll pass it on
> > to the editor at "Scribner's" as I'm sure she'll be interested and
> > possibly in a position to do something to ensure there are not more like
> > that out there.
>
> David, that page number sequence is from the original mss, as reproduced in
> the hardback, after the end and just before the appendices I have 276 from
> the original mss fex. The hardback only has page numbers to 235 before the
> appendices (they end on 241) so 246 would be into the Afterword. However the
> glue blob is a different matter.
>
Hi, Mike. I agree the glue blob is a different matter; but the page I
have of a photographically reduced scan reproduced from the typewriter
original manuscript copy is numbered 274, not 276, which, if Ed mistyped
that number, threw me off a bit.
There's also a reproduction including handwritting and handlettering of
the original page 1 of the manuscript copy at the beginning. Basically,
a frontispiece and an endpiece the editor was asked to include, after
Robinson's Introduction. I don't recall who suggested it, but it was
generally thought to be a good idea, since that is recognizably RAH's
handwriting on page 1 (expanding the title, and stating "two words") (I
don't know who did the lettering, since I've not seen enough manuscripts
to have seen other handlettering by him or anyone else).
--
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88
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Article 23214
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:11:26 -0800
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <1hg5tvsd7ruda7k3s4g8nk5p0s0hrlg8ku@4ax.com>,
Ed Johnson <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
> As for the foreign object glued into the back cover; that is just
> shoddy workmanship by the publisher.
>
> Ed J
Okay, one report of shoddy workmanship passed on Monday. ;-(
--
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88
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Article 23215
From: JT
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:46:56 -0500
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 09:11:26 -0800, "David M. Silver"
<ag.plusone@verizon.net> wrote:
>In article <1hg5tvsd7ruda7k3s4g8nk5p0s0hrlg8ku@4ax.com>,
> Ed Johnson <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
>
>> As for the foreign object glued into the back cover; that is just
>> shoddy workmanship by the publisher.
>>
>> Ed J
>
>Okay, one report of shoddy workmanship passed on Monday. ;-(
Not to be -really- picky, but the glue job between the first & second
folio (I think that's the right term, the collection of pages attached
into the binding anyway) was uneven on my copy, leaving a visible gap
and glue into the pages. If I were a reader of normal abuse I suspect
the binding would be cracking in another week or so.
Also, on one of the chapter ending pages I had a small "smear" with
two drops of ink on the clean page. If there are actually issues of
Quality Control I will look up the actual page, but I'm not horribly
bothered by it.
I don't expect David or THS to do anything about it, just one picky
bibliophile venting to a friendly audience. ;)
JT
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Article 23216
From: JT
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:54:45 -0500
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 19:35:26 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
> Our copies arrived yesterday. I read the intro by Spider Robinson
>and the afterword by Robert James last night (both very good). You can
>safely read both without seeing a word that Heinlein wrote--there are
>white pages separating these parts from the book content. I haven't
>yet looked at any of the story, not even the first word. Not sure when
>I'll read it. Maybe next week on my days off, may hold it and wait.
>
> I _could_ read the other two stories of the Lost Three now and keep
>this one unread, but probably not.
>
You should really read this one, Deb. For scholarship purposes I
think it's more important than the "stinkeroos". ;) I thought you
hadn't yet read Tramp Royale, either? That's the only one I haven't
finished. Picked it up, then got distracted, and haven't yet picked
it up again to finish it.
JT
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Article 23217
From: JT
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 14:09:56 -0500
Subject: FUTL: Spoilers Galore. Real Discussion starts Here!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
OK, so I ended up dropping everything else I was reading and reading
FUTL straight through in my free time the last two days. I'm never
one for the "great insights" because I tend to mostly agree with those
who've already posted something insightful. ;)
Spider's Foreward was pretty well-suited, and his analysis of what the
book was makes sense to me.
The story itself: If you accept that the story is a bunch of lectures
about economic theory tied together, then the weak story doesn't
bother you. I disagree with Spider that the characters are as fully
real as later novels. Doesn't mean I don't think they are
sympathetic, though.
What bothered me most about the story was the lack of depth in
explaining how Perry got there. A sentence 3/4 of the way in dealing
with a theory of attuned memories or whatever it was, feh. Heinlein
wanted his setup, he got it, and he wasn't going to waste any more
time on it. I'm really glad he got better at the setup. <VBG>
Dr. James' afterword was a real pleasure. Although I think I knew most
of the facts of Heinlein's biography, he brought that together in a
very readable way that gave insight into what drove RAH.
All in all, I have to agree that FUTL proves that RAH "had it all
there" from the beginning. Although it also shows that, as with most
things, you get better when you have experience.
OK, those of you that have read it and have been dying to have someone
read your comments, I'm here, at least. ;)
JT
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Article 23218
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:14:06 -0500
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The page in question does have " 2 7 4 " at the very top.
Ed J
On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 01:07:30 -0500, Ed Johnson
<eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
>Mike: You are correct with the numbering: In my edition: page 235
>is The End and the next page has the askew (slanted and ink-smudged)
>reproduction of (as you say) ? the manuscript page 274. The next
>page, 237 begins "Appendix To Chapter IX"
> As for the foreign object glued into the back cover; that is just
>shoddy workmanship by the publisher.
>
>Ed J
>
>On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 08:54:39 -0600, Mike Cothran
><cothranm@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>David, that page number sequence is from the original mss, as reproduced in
>>the hardback, after the end and just before the appendices I have 276 from
>>the original mss fex. The hardback only has page numbers to 235 before the
>>appendices (they end on 241) so 246 would be into the Afterword. However the
>>glue blob is a different matter.
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Article 23219
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:21:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JovBil:
G.B. Shaw may be a bit shallow to be in the company of Gordon
Liddy, but certainly you cannot be objecting to a man of Winston
Churchill's stature. <G>
?
Ed J
Let me guess: Colonel Ollie North is probably not one of your
favorite TV war correspondents? (Formerly of Fox News)
On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:01:31 -0500, Bill Dauphin
<dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>On 12/5/03 11:22 PM, in article 89m2tvc87fujfhrji10fabg3r0d5gq27bn@4ax.com,
>"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net> wrote:
>
>> Carol:
>> I just ran across some good quotes:
>>
>> <snip>
>> -- Winston Churchill
>>
>> <snip>
>> -- George Bernard Shaw
>>
>> <snip>
>> -- G. Gordon Liddy
>>
>
>OK, I expect to get flamed for saying this, but there's just something
>cosmically wrong about including G. Gordon Liddy in a list that also
>includes Churchill and Shaw.
>
>-JovBill
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Article 23220
From: Jane Davitt
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 15:07:47 -0500
Subject: Heinlein everywhere..
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I was out Christmas shopping at a craft shop; as I paid for my stuff, I
glanced over at a display of greeting cards. One section had photos of
cats with cute sayings underneath and the name of the originator; 'Those
who hate cats are condemned to come back as mice'; that sort of thing.
So what was under a picture of a grey fluffy looking cat? 'Women and
cats..." (you know the rest!) by Robert Heinlein.
Jane
--
Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at
http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html
http://www.fanfiction.net/~Jane Davitt
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Article 23221
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 17:31:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 12/7/03 10:21 PM, in article j7r7tvka13g0rln0m92lv7fuhvte4ib5of@4ax.com,
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net> wrote:
> JovBil:
> G.B. Shaw may be a bit shallow to be in the company of Gordon
> Liddy, but certainly you cannot be objecting to a man of Winston
> Churchill's stature. <G>
> ?
>
> Ed J
>
I have to admit that, AFAIK, Shaw never held his hand over a candle to prove
how tough he was, nor did Churchill ever barbecue and eat a rat. So yeah, I
guess they are truly lightweights in the world of letters and ideas.
<GD&RLH>
-JovBill
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Article 23222
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:58:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Here is one for the Libertarian spirit that is alive and well on the
Heinlein Forum:
"The advance of freedom is the calling of our time; it is the
calling of our country.... America has put our power at the service
of principle. We believe that liberty is the design of nature; we
believe that liberty is the direction of history. We believe that
human fulfillment and excellence come in the responsible exercise of
liberty. And we believe that freedom -- the freedom we prize -- is
not for us alone, it is the right and the capacity of all mankind."
--President George W. Bush
Ed J
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Article 23223
From: David Wright"
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:53:50 -0500
Subject: Heinlein Readers Group 12/4-12/6 Meeting Logs Now Available
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The logs for the Dec 4, and Dec 6 meeting of the Heinlein Readers Group
Discussion on "Genetic Selection in Heinlein" are now available:
http://www.heinleinsociety.org/readersgroup/AIM_12-04-2003.html
http://www.heinleinsociety.org/readersgroup/AIM_12-06-2003.html
My apologies for the delay in getting these out.
--
David Wright
http://heinleinsociety.org
http://heinlein100.org
http://home.alltel.net/dwrighsr/
Benefit The Heinlein Society by ordering your books thru:
http://home.alltel.net/dwrighsr/heinlein-amazon.htm
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Article 23224
From: Mitch Wagner
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 13:17:40 -0800
Subject: Re: Favorite Quotes
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:58:03 -0500, Ed Johnson wrote:
> Here is one for the Libertarian spirit that is alive and well on the
> Heinlein Forum:
>
> "The advance of freedom is the calling of our time; it is the
> calling of our country.... America has put our power at the service
> of principle. We believe that liberty is the design of nature; we
> believe that liberty is the direction of history. We believe that
> human fulfillment and excellence come in the responsible exercise of
> liberty. And we believe that freedom -- the freedom we prize -- is
> not for us alone, it is the right and the capacity of all mankind."
> --President George W. Bush
Bush talks a good game in speeches, and then he goes and does the opposite
of what he says he will do. The same man who made that speech is the one
who has suspended civil liberties for anyone the government deems to be an
"enemy combatant," and is holding thousands of people without trial simply
on government say-so.
--
Mitch Wagner * http://www.internetweek.com *
http://WagBlog.internetweek.com * http://blog.mitchwagner.com/ * Asked by
agents if he had anything else to tell them, Cusack responded: "Yes, I've
got monkeys in my pants." -- CNN.com, Dec. 19, 2002
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Article 23225
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:07:43 GMT
Subject: Firefly
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Has anyone here seen the tv series "Firefly"? I've been running
across mentions of it, and the reviews on Amazon are glowing,
comparing it to Star Trek: TOS only better. It's by Joss Whedon of
"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel", so I know the writing will be
first rate, but I'm hesitant to buy the DVDs of an entire tv series
when I have never seen any of it (couldn't find it to rent).
Any recommendations or comments on "Firefly"?
Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com
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Article 23226
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:07:43 GMT
Subject: Re: For Us, The Living
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>You should really read this one, Deb. For scholarship purposes I
>think it's more important than the "stinkeroos". ;) I thought you
>hadn't yet read Tramp Royale, either?
Oh, I will read it. But I find now I want a totally free, open,
unencumbered day to do nothing but savor it. Those sort of days are
sort of scarce right now.
I've read "Tramp Royale" two or three times--I love good travelogue.
"Holidays in Hell" by PJ O'Roarke is a favorite (picked it up in New
Zealand as being appropriate for the 12 hour flight back), as is
Douglas Adams' "Last Chance to See". I even like watching people's
vacation slides. Plus "Tramp Royale" is coupled with Heinlein's
'voice' and very clearly characters and settings used in many of his
own stories. You ought to go back to it some day.
It's the political one, "Take Back Your Government" I never managed
to get into.
Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com
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Article 23227
From: Lorrita Morgan"
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:48:10 -0800
Subject: Re: Firefly
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I will make this my first post after my unscheduled absence.
Firefly was given the "kiss of death" Friday night time slot on Fox. So the
few episodes that aired got very little promotion. It had more questions
than answers in both plot and back story. The ship reminded me more of
Spacehunter: Adventures in the Forbidden Zone. The plot had X-Files/Dark
Angel "government bad guys" under tones. The crew were mostly veterans of a
rebellion that failed in a galaxy under reconstruction. It needed a couple
years to develop the full back story and flesh out both characters and the
universe.
Is it worth buying? I'd like to see it without interruption again, but to
pay full DVD price ...
--
Later,
`rita
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
news:3fdc344d.1266645449@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>
> Has anyone here seen the tv series "Firefly"? I've been running
> across mentions of it, and the reviews on Amazon are glowing,
> comparing it to Star Trek: TOS only better. It's by Joss Whedon of
> "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel", so I know the writing will be
> first rate, but I'm hesitant to buy the DVDs of an entire tv series
> when I have never seen any of it (couldn't find it to rent).
>
> Any recommendations or comments on "Firefly"?
>
>
> Deb Houdek Rule
> http://www.dahoudek.com
> http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
> http://www.robertaheinlein.com
> http://www.heinleinsociety.org
> http://www.heinleinprize.com
>
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Article 23228
From: Jane Davitt
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:12:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Firefly
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
> Has anyone here seen the tv series "Firefly"? I've been running
> across mentions of it, and the reviews on Amazon are glowing,
> comparing it to Star Trek: TOS only better. It's by Joss Whedon of
> "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel", so I know the writing will be
> first rate, but I'm hesitant to buy the DVDs of an entire tv series
> when I have never seen any of it (couldn't find it to rent).
>
> Any recommendations or comments on "Firefly"?
I watched every aired episode, cried when it was cancelled, signed email
petitions to keep it going, bought the DVD the day it came out so maybe
I'm biased ;-)
Watched from the start, in the correct order (Fox, inexplicably aired it
out of order) it's brilliant. Large cast (9) so complex relationships
and some stories never get finished because of the cancellation...but
it's excellent. Funny, action filled, not predictable...it's a Joss show.
Plus; eye candy? Oh, yes.
Jane
--
Read my Buffy the Vampire Slayer fiction at
http://members.rogers.com/jdavitt01/index.html
http://www.fanfiction.net/~Jane Davitt
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Article 23229
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 13:06:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Firefly
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
news:3fdc344d.1266645449@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>
> Has anyone here seen the tv series "Firefly"?
Fox proves once again that they can't manage a Science Fiction series,
"X-Files" being the odd exception.
"Firefly" was very good. Fox ruined it by running episodes out of order. For
example, they ran the series premiere, the one that introduces "the girl in
the box" and all the crew and passengers of Serenity (the ship) as the
Series Finale. I waited all season for the heavily promo'd scene showing
them opening a shipping container with a girl curled up in it. Her presence
is pivotal to the entire season. And they show us why and how she got there
as the LAST episode of the series!
I hope that one of the packages under my little tree is "Firefly". I can't
wait to watch the series as Joss Wheddon intended it.
WJaKe
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Article 23230
From: JT
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:06:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Firefly
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:07:43 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
>
> Has anyone here seen the tv series "Firefly"?
While it wasn't a "bad" show, I never got into it, and I really like
Joss Whedon's stuff. That's probably more a function of not having
enough time to follow the show than a real assessment of how good the
show was.
On a different note, are there other HFers out there that might be
willing to swap DVD series for a few months or even permanently? For
example, I'm not ready to do it yet, but I would eventually swap the
first season of 24 (haven't yet seen it through yet) for something
else.
(Yes, I know we could just burn copies, but I only got my DVD burner
about a month ago and I'm not used to the idea yet. ;)
I just figured I would mention it because I know there were some of us
that traded videogames for a while.
JT
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Article 23231
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:10:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Firefly
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT:
I have burned many, many CD's for work. I was wondering if you
needed some special right to copy a DVD? ;-)
The same idea applies for videogames, I guess. I don't mean to
sound like a the digital-era thought-police. I just remember about
8 years ago being chided by HF cobbers for copying software without
recompense going to the SW authors. I have learned my lesson by
listening to TomStaafl and bytor lecture on intellectual property.
Ed J
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:06:45 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
>
>On a different note, are there other HFers out there that might be
>willing to swap DVD series for a few months or even permanently? For
>example, I'm not ready to do it yet, but I would eventually swap the
>first season of 24 (haven't yet seen it through yet) for something
>else.
>
>(Yes, I know we could just burn copies, but I only got my DVD burner
>about a month ago and I'm not used to the idea yet. ;)
>
>I just figured I would mention it because I know there were some of us
>that traded videogames for a while.
>
>JT
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Article 23232
From: Mike Cothran
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 19:27:19 -0600
Subject: Re: Firefly
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ed Johnson wrote:
> JT:
> I have burned many, many CD's for work. I was wondering if you
> needed some special right to copy a DVD? ;-)
> The same idea applies for videogames, I guess. I don't mean to
> sound like a the digital-era thought-police. I just remember about
> 8 years ago being chided by HF cobbers for copying software without
> recompense going to the SW authors. I have learned my lesson by
> listening to TomStaafl and bytor lecture on intellectual property.
Well, Ed, yes, there is a need to purchase the right, a bit hard to do for
most common folks. I recommend an escrow account, place twice the value
into that account for all infractions, pass on half when you can buy the
rights, let the other half accumulate for a bailbondsman's fee...
--
Mike C
"...I will accept any rules that you feel necessary
to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules
surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate
them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally
responsible for everything I do."
- Professor Bernardo de la Paz in TMiaHM, RAH
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Article 23233
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 23:09:04 -0500
Subject: What? No comments on Saddam?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Well, I'm suprised we have gone this long without comment onthe capture of
Saddam Hussein. Cowering like a rat in his little hidey-hole, gun in hand,
but he didn't try to use it. What a wimp! <g>
So, how will things go in Iraq now?
WJaKe
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Article 23234
From: David Wright"
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 08:12:17 -0500
Subject: Re: What? No comments on Saddam?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3fdd33f5.0@news.sff.net...
> Well, I'm suprised we have gone this long without comment onthe capture of
> Saddam Hussein. Cowering like a rat in his little hidey-hole, gun in hand,
> but he didn't try to use it. What a wimp! <g>
>
> So, how will things go in Iraq now?
>
> WJaKe
I suspect that attacks on Iraqi and to some degree on our forces will step
up, (4 bombings already). The terrorists will no longer have any hopes of
restoring Saddam, but they will now have a bigger revenge motive and anger
against us for 'humiliating him'.
--
David Wright
http://heinleinsociety.org
http://home.alltel.net/dwrighsr
Benefit The Heinlein Society by ordering books thru:
http://home.alltel.net/dwrighsr/heinlein-amazon.htm
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Article 23235
From: David Wright"
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 11:56:48 -0500
Subject: The Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
To all Heinlein fans:
The Heinlein Society (http://heinleinsociety.org), needs your help.
How?
1) Join the Society: Check this out at:
http://heinleinsociety.org/join.html
2) Help the Society to complete a matching grant: (deadline Dec 31,2003)
http://heinleinsociety.org/news/trustmatchingfund.html
Click on the "Pay It Forward" link for more information.
3) Buy your Amazon purchases through the Society link.
http://heinleinsociety.org/libraries/libraries.html#order
4) At no cost, join us in the Heinlein Readers Group.
Upcoming discussions will be announced.
Information and logs of previous discussions are found at
http://heinleinsociety.org/readersgroup/index.html#Info
Questions and comments about the Society may be made thru:
http://heinleinsociety.org/contact.html
--
David Wright (A Member, but not an official spokesman for The Heinlein
Society)
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Article 23236
From: David Wright"
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 12:06:48 -0500
Subject: Re: The Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"David Wright" <dwrighsr@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:brkpnr$4077a$1@ID-53646.news.uni-berlin.de...
> To all Heinlein fans:
Correction to my last post: the link for the Amazon Purchases is on the
lower right hand side of:
http://heinleinsociety.org/libraries/index.html
David Wright
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Article 23237
From: Catherine Hampton
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 14:26:20 -0800
Subject: Re: Firefly
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 10:07:43 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
> Has anyone here seen the tv series "Firefly"? I've been running
>across mentions of it, and the reviews on Amazon are glowing,
I'm not much of a TV watcher (don't own a TV, never have), but I've
seen three episodes of Firefly. (The guy I'm dating is a fan, made me
watch some episodes.) It is quite good, intelligent, witty, well
written, and unlike anything I'd ever seen before. I wouldn't compare
it to any Star Trek, but that's because I think it's quite a bit
better than any episode of Star Trek I ever saw. (Even "The Trouble
with Tribbles", which was fun.) ;>
--
Ariel (aka Catherine Hampton) <ariel@tempest.boxmail.com>
===========================================================
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(Please use this address for replies -- the address in my header is a
spam trap.)
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Article 23238
From: JT
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:51:20 -0500
Subject: TANSTAAFN...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
....otherwise known as There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Newsgroup.
My credit card has once again been charged for the "HF" membership to
SFF Net.
To recap:
We buy a membership in the name of the HF. This gives a little
webspace ( http://www.sff.net/people/HF/ ) to host a FAQ and some
pictures of the group. Also, even though SFF Net is gracious enough
to allow public access to its news server, we help to defray the costs
of that access through our joint membership. TANSTAAFN.
So, the basic membership is $99.50 rounded to $100. I welcome
'pledges' to cover this cost. Minimum pledge $5, max pledge $95 (I
reserve one share for myself. <G>). Pledges are accepted by
timestamp, if you don't need to contribute the full amount you've
pledged because I've met the cost I'll tell you.
Please EMAIL me at J T @ s f f . n e t with your pledge. (Private
replies to this post will bounce due to the way I have the header set
up.) Checks in US Funds mailed to me, I'll send you my address when I
get the pledge.
If you pledge this year, make an effort to get the check in the mail
right away (and I'll try to cash them quickly ;) .
We're been here on SFF Net since 1/1997--it's hard to believe. The HF
has been continuously posting since 11/91 variously on Prodigy, GEnie,
AOL, and here.
Thanks for being my cobbers for all this time!
JT
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Article 23239
From: Filksinger"
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:28:51 -0800
Subject: For the Security Conscious Among Us
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The latest in encrypted cell phone communications:
http://www.cryptophone.de/
You can also get free software to talk to these cell phones and other people
using the software across ordinary phone lines using your computer.
How good is it? It uses many of the correct buzzwords (AES256, Twofish, and
SHA256), few or none of the suspicious buzzwords (one-time pad), and use
open-source code. What does this mean? Only that I can't say "No", yet.:)
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 23240
From: JT
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:59:38 -0500
Subject: new" Heinlein, sort of--NOT FUTL
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
OK, chance surfing and reading Bill Dennis' Heinlein blog at
http://billscontent.com/heinleinblog.htm brought up the information
that (to quote http://www.spiderrobinson.com/):
"Spider has been chosen by the Heinlein Trust to collaborate on a new
novel with Robert A. Heinlein, described as a "borderline juvenile."
No, seriously. Based on a lengthy detailed outline and notes Robert
drew up in 1955, "Robert A. Heinlein's VARIABLE STAR by Spider
Robinson" is now being marketed by Eleanor Wood, agent for both
authors, using Robert's outline and a 10,000 word sample by Spider.
Earliest delivery date is probably May 2005 due to existing
commitments. "The flood of emotions I'm experiencing is
indescribable," Spider says, "but joy is definitely
uppermost...followed closely by terror. I can conceive of no greater
honor, or challenge."
No mention of it via the Heinlein Society, and although Bill
references that a note from Spider was posted on alt.fan.heinlein (I
assume indirectly grabbed from his website--I didn't search it deeply,
just to find the quote above) I couldn't find that note from 11/13.
Anyway, it floored *me*. I guess "Heinlein" will be expounding upon
the virtues of British Colombia in the novel. <G>
JT
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Article 23241
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 08:41:20 GMT
Subject: Re: "new" Heinlein, sort of--NOT FUTL
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>No mention of it via the Heinlein Society
There had meant to be a mention on the Heinlein Society site over a
week ago, but a change in hosting companies and a plethora of
compatibility problems with the change got the news shuffled off to
the never-never. Ah, well, so much for having the scoop on the news.
Anyhow, it's for real. We've had the new confirmed by a couple
sources, including Spider. Detailed notes left by RAH being written.
Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com
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Article 23242
From: Filksinger"
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:24:56 -0800
Subject: Re: "new" Heinlein, sort of--NOT FUTL
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
> OK, chance surfing and reading Bill Dennis' Heinlein blog at
> http://billscontent.com/heinleinblog.htm brought up the information
> that (to quote http://www.spiderrobinson.com/):
> "Spider has been chosen by the Heinlein Trust to collaborate on a new
> novel with Robert A. Heinlein, described as a "borderline juvenile."
> No, seriously. Based on a lengthy detailed outline and notes Robert
> drew up in 1955, "Robert A. Heinlein's VARIABLE STAR by Spider
> Robinson" is now being marketed by Eleanor Wood, agent for both
> authors, using Robert's outline and a 10,000 word sample by Spider.
> Earliest delivery date is probably May 2005 due to existing
> commitments. "The flood of emotions I'm experiencing is
> indescribable," Spider says, "but joy is definitely
> uppermost...followed closely by terror. I can conceive of no greater
> honor, or challenge."
This news fills me with simultaneous hope and fear. Hope for a good
collaboration, fear that I will be disappointed, because, as the years have
gone by, I have been less and less enamored with Spider's work.
Here's hoping.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 23243
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:35:49 -0500
Subject: Vroooooooooom!!!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Well, the Wright Flyer replica got bogged down in the mud, but I know this
will warm the cockles of more than one HF heart:
http://www.hobbyspace.com/Links/RLVNews.html
Want somethin' done, get Burt!
-JovBill
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Article 23244
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 17:39:14 -0500
Subject: Re: "new" Heinlein, sort of--NOT FUTL
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 12/17/03 1:24 PM, in article 3fe0a09d.0@news.sff.net, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
> JT wrote:
>> <snip> Robert A. Heinlein's VARIABLE STAR by Spider
>> Robinson" is now being marketed by Eleanor Wood, agent for both
>> authors, using Robert's outline and a 10,000 word sample by Spider.<snip>
>
> This news fills me with simultaneous hope and fear. Hope for a good
> collaboration, fear that I will be disappointed, because, as the years have
> gone by, I have been less and less enamored with Spider's work.
>
> Here's hoping.
Take heart! If there's one flaw you know it WON'T have, it's lack of respect
for the source material. My guess is that Spider will try as hard as humanly
possible to "channel" RAH, rather than writing _Callahan's RAH Bar_ or some
such. 8^)
-JovBill
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Article 23245
From: Robert Slater"
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:44:26 -0800
Subject: Re: "new" Heinlein, sort of--NOT FUTL
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filk,
Have you read "Free Lunch"?
SIFI
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3fe0a09d.0@news.sff.net...
> JT wrote:
> > OK, chance surfing and reading Bill Dennis' Heinlein blog at
> > http://billscontent.com/heinleinblog.htm brought up the information
> > that (to quote http://www.spiderrobinson.com/):
> > "Spider has been chosen by the Heinlein Trust to collaborate on a new
> > novel with Robert A. Heinlein, described as a "borderline juvenile."
> > No, seriously. Based on a lengthy detailed outline and notes Robert
> > drew up in 1955, "Robert A. Heinlein's VARIABLE STAR by Spider
> > Robinson" is now being marketed by Eleanor Wood, agent for both
> > authors, using Robert's outline and a 10,000 word sample by Spider.
> > Earliest delivery date is probably May 2005 due to existing
> > commitments. "The flood of emotions I'm experiencing is
> > indescribable," Spider says, "but joy is definitely
> > uppermost...followed closely by terror. I can conceive of no greater
> > honor, or challenge."
>
> This news fills me with simultaneous hope and fear. Hope for a good
> collaboration, fear that I will be disappointed, because, as the years
have
> gone by, I have been less and less enamored with Spider's work.
>
> Here's hoping.
>
> --
> Filksinger
> AKA David Nasset, Sr.
> Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
>
>
>
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Article 23246
From: Filksinger"
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:10:47 -0800
Subject: Re: "new" Heinlein, sort of--NOT FUTL
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Robert Slater wrote:
> Filk,
> Have you read "Free Lunch"?
> SIFI
Yes. In fact, it is this book in particular that I simultaneously liked and
disliked. Interesting and entertaining story, attitudes and so-called
"thinking" by the main characters that I, at best, found extremely annoying.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 23247
From: Filksinger"
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:21:02 -0800
Subject: Privately Funded SpaceShipOne Breaks Sound Barrier
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Almost ready....
They have finally gotten high enough for the X-prize. Now, they just need to
do it with three people, and do it again in two weeks. Looks like this one
might be in the bag.
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/rutan_update_031217.html
or
http://shorterlink.com/?6I1S13
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