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Article 18253
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 6 Jan 2001 01:27:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Genetic discoveries
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Gordon Sollars wrote:
Do the authors of these plans ever state the number of investment rules
that they tested /before/ announcing their favorites?
It's very difficult to call ten coin tosses in a row, but very easy -
given, say, 1024 rules - to find one that worked perfectly.
**********
Well, I should have been more clear that, while my main point was serious,
those three were somewhat tounge in cheek. I would not personally recommend
any "mechanistic" method of investing, because even if they were ultimately
valid, they all have one serious flaw.
_Any_ prediction method is a failure in the long run, _because_ it works.
This is basic positive feedback.
Example: You have developed a calculation to determine exactly what should
be paid for a stock. You buy anything that the market will sell you for
less, and sell anything the market will pay you more for.
So far, so good. But what happens when the rest of the market notices and
starts immitating you?
You buy a stock, and its price shoots through the roof as everyone else
tries to get on to your "guaranteed winner". You sell, and the price crashes.
Suddenly the market is doing bizare gyrations, and your very attempts to
predict it _cause_ changes that do not match what you predicted. Your predictions
change what they are predicting. Eventually, the gyrations destroy the market.
Something very similar happened several years ago in the futures market.
A predictive algorythm was created specifically for determining the best
price for a stock in the futures market, based upon past performance, and
every test panned out clean. It was published, everyone programmed it into
their computers, and they did wonderfully until the market started doing
rollercoaster imitations. Eventually, the crash.
Seriously, though, if you are worried about spending your extended life
working at things you hate, then plan your retirement. The odds are that
with a bit of preperation you can do it, and you will get a long and healthy
retirement. There are people doing it every day, and it isn't that difficult
or risky.
Filksinger
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Article 18254
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 6 Jan 2001 01:34:16 GMT
Subject: The Agnostic's Prayer
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Here's an old favorite that I haven't seen in a long time. SFAIK, the original
author is Roger Zelazny, and it was published in his "Creatures of Light
and Darkness". In it, there were gods, Egyptian, IIRC, and several odd immortals,
such as The Steel General, who was the embodiment of revolution. Though
he lost many battles, and had been torn appart and scattered throughout
the universe, he always came back. One of the immortals was apparently an
agnostic theologian, though I forget what he was called. This prayer was
said by him at a funeral.
Weirdly enough, I have a gap in my sense of humor such that I didn't find
this remotely funny the first time I read it; instead, it made perfect sense
to me for an agnostic prayer.
Enjoy!
************
The Agnostics Prayer
By Roger Zelazny
Insofar as I may be heard by anything, which may or may not care what I
say, I ask, if it matters, that you be forgiven for anything you may have
done or failed to do which requires forgiveness.
Conversely, if not forgiveness but something else may be required to insure
any possible benefit for which you may be eligible after the destruction
of your body, I ask that this, whatever it may be, be granted or withheld,
as the case may be, in such a manner as to insure your receiving said benefit.
I ask this in my capacity as your elected intermediary between yourself
and that which may not be yourself, but which may have an interest in the
matter of your receiving as much as it is possible for you to receive of
this thing, and which may in some way be influenced by this ceremony.
Amen.
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Article 18255
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 02:04:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 12:40:14 +0900, Eli Hestermann
<ehestermann@whoi.edu> wrote:
>29 again?!
>
>Happy Birthday!
Thanks! I have no problem with my age, at least not yet. <G>
What Christine was referring to was a very special card from
Daniel--she bought finger paints and the front of the card is Daniel's
handprints.
It's very cute--the first in a long line of savers, I bet.
JT
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Article 18256
From: Margaret Albrecht" <mealbr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 00:02:44 -0600
Subject: Advice Please
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I'm thinking about starting up a business. It would be a web based database
service. Right now it's just in the thinking and research stage. Can
someone recommend a good internet server where you can rent commercial
amounts of space for a reasonable fee?
Margaret
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Article 18257
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 6 Jan 2001 15:43:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Advice Please
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I could recommend Earthlink, but then I am biased.:)
Seriously, though, I don't know who does good/bad.
Filksinger
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Article 18258
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 15:50:39 GMT
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bob: I thought that 'we' , state gov'ment agency were the only
ones cheap enough to buy Dell laptops without the 3 year warranty!
someone saved about $99 on each of 15 or so machines. I inherited a
load of Dell Latitude laptops that need work without the warranty.
Ed J
NJ Commerce
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:42:04 -0500, "Robert Larson"
<Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> wrote:
>> As to Robert's discussion about avoiding the chain companies, they do
>> have one big advantage for the first-time user--you can take it back
>> someplace locally rather than shipping it someplace for service,
>> generally without spending a long time on the phone first. IMO.
>
>IMO this is not a selling point for the chains. I've watched my father carry
>in a Packard Bell to Best Buy too many times. It's never pretty. Sure you
>get a new system. You lose all your data, program settings, etc. All they'll
>do is slap in a new hd with a fresh image or re-image the existing drive.
>It's ugly.
>
>Whereas Dell or Gateway will next-day parts to you so you can install them
>yourself or if your not comfortable with that they'll send a tech from
>Unisys or whichever local VAR they're using to do the install for you. It's
>very sweet. I've never in the last 5 years had to send a system back to the
>vendor for repair and I've done at least a hundred or two calls to Gateway
>and Dell. The one exception being a Dell Laptop that someone here ordered
>without the on-site service contract. Arggh.
>
>A next-day 1 year onsite (3yr parts only) warranty is now standard with the
>mail-order companies.
>
>> And the iMac series should definitely be considered, as long as you
>> don't want the newest stuff first, especially games! My first "real"
>> computer was a Mac SE, and I thought about it long and hard before I
>> bought my first clone box. But a Mac these days will give you the
>> Web, word processing, and digital imaging quite well, I agree.
>
>Considered as what? A lawn ornament? <gdr>
>
>
>
>
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Article 18259
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:03:26 GMT
Subject: Re: Quote of the Century
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Penn: Welcome to the Heinlein Forum. . . .
I thought that the Star War's 'Force' looked an awful lot like the
Rosacrucian 'life force'. It permeates the universe and emanates
from all living beings. They claim that people can tap into this
Force ("Use the Force, Luke") to aid them. Even though ObiWan
Kenobe described it 'long, long ago'; I first heard of it from a
Rosacrucian advertisement 35 years ago.
I don't know of a Web site for the ancient order of Rosacrucians;
but I believe that they were headquartered in San Jose, California.
Ed J
On Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:36:02 -0500, Penn Hackney <penn@att.net>
wrote:
>Margaret Albrecht wrote:
>>
>[snip]
>> In 1978, a paper presented at the eighth annual convention of the Popular
>> Culture Associateion reported 46 percent of American were baffled by the
>> concept of "the Force," a confusion widely shared by the organization's
>> 2,000 members. Some academics saw it as simple Manichaean dualism, others
>> as Orthodox Christianity or Hollywood Zen. Fraser Snowden of Louisiana's
>> Northwestern State University argued with some passion that the Force
>> derives from "the impersonal bipolar absolute of Chinese Taoism and the all
>> encompassing ki energy field of the Japanese art of aikido."
>>
>> Of course they were all wrong.
>
>Sure were. Duct tape is the Force: It's got a dark side, and a light
>side, and it binds the universe together.
>
>>As we all know, The Force turned out to be
>> midi-chlorians. What a letdown. What was George Lucas thinking?
>>
>Well, midi-chlorians are just the rationalist explanation for the
>resonant and un-pin-downable effects and concept. Sort of like what
>nuclear physics is to a nuclear explosion.
>--
>Penn Hackney, Pittsburgh, PA
>http://penn.home.att.net/heinlein.htm
>The buiscuits and the syrup never come out even.
> - Lazarus Long, 1912-
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Article 18260
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:07:20 GMT
Subject: Re: More on the election counting.....
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Charlie: Wow! I've got to rewatch Key Largo now, too. . .
.. Can you imagine sitting in front of your TV and hearing that
gangster talk about Florida recounting votes until they go his way!
Tis time for a visit to the Video store.
Ed J
On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:10:42 -0500, Charles Graft
<chasgraft@aol.com> wrote:
>While watching the 1948 thriller "Key Largo" with Edward G. Robinson and
>
>Humphrey Bogart I practically fell out of my chair when Robinson
>(playing a
>gangster as only he could) says to the good guy (Bogart):
>
>"Let me tell you about Florida politicians! I make them out of whole
>cloth, just like a tailor makes a suit. I get their name in the
>newspaper.
>I get them some publicity and get them on the ballot. Then after the
>election, we count the votes. And if they don't turn out right, we
>recount
>them. And recount them again. Until they do."
>
> ( THIS WAS IN 1948 ! ) ...
>----------------------------------------------------
>
>This was actually from a friend, but my (EBay) laserdisc copy is sitting
>in my stack to be watched soon.
>
>--
><<Big Charlie>>
>
>"Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things
>they make it easier to do don't need to be done." -- Andy Rooney
>
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Article 18261
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:15:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT: Happy Birthday!
You weren't still in college when you first went on Prodigy's Arts
BB in the Heinlein Forum's early days, were you? ;-)
Bytor was just as young a 'Founding Forum Father' on Plodigy.
Probably only Bob Larson has a greater percentage of his life spent
as a regular poster to the `Forum.
Ed J
On Fri, 05 Jan 2001 01:47:12 GMT, CSTilden@seemysig.com (Christine
Simoes Tilden) wrote:
>Just wanted to find another way to wish you Happy Birthday, John! Make
>sure you tell everyone on here about your card from Daniel <g>.
>
>Love,
>Christine
>Christine Simoes Tilden
>CSTilden@excite.com
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Article 18262
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 00:08:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:15:17 GMT, eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed
Johnson) wrote:
>JT: Happy Birthday!
>You weren't still in college when you first went on Prodigy's Arts
>BB in the Heinlein Forum's early days, were you? ;-)
> Bytor was just as young a 'Founding Forum Father' on Plodigy.
>Probably only Bob Larson has a greater percentage of his life spent
>as a regular poster to the `Forum.
>
I was out of college about a year, I think. ;)
Bob Lawson beats us percentage wise--it's gotta be over half his life!
<G>
JT
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Article 18263
From: Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 19:30:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Genetic discoveries
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a567496.0@news.sff.net>, filksinger@earthling.net writes...
....
> _Any_ prediction method is a failure in the long run, _because_ it works.
> This is basic positive feedback.
I think the first published example of this was a bankruptcy study using
discriminant analysis. The discriminant function did a very good job of
predicting bankruptcies (about a year or so in advance, IIRC) - until it
became well known in the financial community. Sadly, I can't give any
more detail, as I studied this case over 20 years ago, and can't find my
notes on it at this point.
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 18264
From: Frank Fujita" <ffujita@iusb.edu>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 17:05:13 -0500
Subject: Help! I've fallen and I can't get up.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Well, I haven't *actually* fallen, but metaphorically that's exactly how I
feel. A month or so ago, I volunteered to pay a portion of the upkeep of
this newsgroup, but I forgot to whom I volunteered -- and to the best of my
knowledge, I haven't paid yet. I've searched my e-mailbox but have been
unsuccessful in finding to whom I owe money. I'm very embarrassed, but I'd
bet that most of you will properly ignore this message, pretending like you
didn't read it, while the person I owe money to will 'check up' on my
contribution.
Thanks for understanding.
Frank Fujita
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Article 18265
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 8 Jan 2001 00:53:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Help! I've fallen and I can't get up.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I officially ignore you, as you suggested.
Filksinger
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Article 18266
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 02:32:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Help! I've fallen and I can't get up.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Really... well we'll just have to have a little appointment with Mr.
Louisville Slugger, won't we? <G>
(On an aside, is it just me or has "<G>" pretty much left the net
vernacular? I never see it aside from when I use it and former users
of P* (another acronym which has fallen from use, though more
understandably))
>A month or so ago, I volunteered to pay a portion of the upkeep of
>this newsgroup, but I forgot to whom I volunteered -- and to the best of my
>knowledge, I haven't paid yet.
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18267
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 02:34:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Bob Lawson beats us percentage wise--it's gotta be over half his life!
Yeah... 10 years now (11 on Friday)... 59%
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18268
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 22:12:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Help! I've fallen and I can't get up.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bob Lawson wrote:
>
>
> (On an aside, is it just me or has "<G>" pretty much left the net
> vernacular? I never see it aside from when I use it and former users
> of P* (another acronym which has fallen from use, though more
> understandably))
>
>
I use <g> for grin or <bg> or <eg> or <beg> or...you get the picture I'm sure.
Does <g> mean something else in upper case? I see <g> on afh a fair bit. I'm a
relative newbie though...or am I? It's three years since we got the computer;
maybe I've graduated now! This also means that our computer is starting to
buckle under the weight of all the new games though :-(
Jane
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Article 18269
From: Margaret Albrecht" <mealbr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:27:59 -0600
Subject: Re: Help! I've fallen and I can't get up.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Frank Fujita <ffujita@iusb.edu> wrote in message
news:3a58e8a9.0@news.sff.net...
> Well, I haven't *actually* fallen, but metaphorically that's exactly how I
> feel. A month or so ago, I volunteered to pay a portion of the upkeep of
> this newsgroup, but I forgot to whom I volunteered -- and to the best of
my
> knowledge, I haven't paid yet. I've searched my e-mailbox but have been
> unsuccessful in finding to whom I owe money
Frank,
Nice to know I'm not the only one. Fortunately JT sent me a message so I
now have an e-mail addy to search for and have found the snail mail addy.
Margaret
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Article 18270
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 03:44:16 GMT
Subject: Re: Help! I've fallen and I can't get up.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In my book, anyone with a modicum of competence is not a newbie. Basic
browsing, handling files, etc. Of course; compared to most people here
I myself am a newbie to computers so I shouldn't talk..
(It's true! It's true! I couldn't use an Altair if my life depended on
it! I'm a fraud! a fraud I tell you!)<g>
>I use <g> for grin or <bg> or <eg> or <beg> or...you get the picture I'm sure.
>Does <g> mean something else in upper case?
not to my knowledge. To be honest I'm lazy and usually make it upper
case cause that means I can hit shift+-,-g-. thus reducing a keystroke
(the extraneous shift)
>relative newbie though...or am I? It's three years since we got the computer;
>maybe I've graduated now! This also means that our computer is starting to
>buckle under the weight of all the new games though :-(
Yours is not a unique problem; I got this PC (for all intents and
purposes; new HD motherboard processor etc. when I turned 16; here I
am turning 18 and my video card can't handle about a third of the
games I put on this (incompatibility more than speed; intel740 chipset
for all who care)
My, that was off-topic.
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18271
From: fader555@aol.com
Date: 8 Jan 2001 07:25:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I'll add a belated Happy Birthday also.
I'm posting from IE, which I just found out how to do,(& reading the HF
as well)
With a little luck, I'll be back sometime soon, miss all yous terribly.
Fader
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Article 18272
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:00:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bummer ain't it? I had to call in for a bad LCD. The guy was all set to send
out a tech with a spare screen and then he's like.. ."uh, oh.... you have to
send it in to us...." Noooo! Ah, well. I did and gave the user a standby
system. They promised a 5 day turn and I got it back in 3. Pretty decent.
I'm starting to really like Dell. I just switched from a Gateway shop after
5 years to a new co. that's all Dell. So far I'm pretty impressed. Gateway
was just as good though.
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@home.spamthis.com> wrote in message
news:3a573e1b.892876@news.sff.net...
> Bob: I thought that 'we' , state gov'ment agency were the only
> ones cheap enough to buy Dell laptops without the 3 year warranty!
> someone saved about $99 on each of 15 or so machines. I inherited a
> load of Dell Latitude laptops that need work without the warranty.
>
> Ed J
> NJ Commerce
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 16:42:04 -0500, "Robert Larson"
> <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> wrote:
>
> >> As to Robert's discussion about avoiding the chain companies, they do
> >> have one big advantage for the first-time user--you can take it back
> >> someplace locally rather than shipping it someplace for service,
> >> generally without spending a long time on the phone first. IMO.
> >
> >IMO this is not a selling point for the chains. I've watched my father
carry
> >in a Packard Bell to Best Buy too many times. It's never pretty. Sure you
> >get a new system. You lose all your data, program settings, etc. All
they'll
> >do is slap in a new hd with a fresh image or re-image the existing drive.
> >It's ugly.
> >
> >Whereas Dell or Gateway will next-day parts to you so you can install
them
> >yourself or if your not comfortable with that they'll send a tech from
> >Unisys or whichever local VAR they're using to do the install for you.
It's
> >very sweet. I've never in the last 5 years had to send a system back to
the
> >vendor for repair and I've done at least a hundred or two calls to
Gateway
> >and Dell. The one exception being a Dell Laptop that someone here ordered
> >without the on-site service contract. Arggh.
> >
> >A next-day 1 year onsite (3yr parts only) warranty is now standard with
the
> >mail-order companies.
> >
> >> And the iMac series should definitely be considered, as long as you
> >> don't want the newest stuff first, especially games! My first "real"
> >> computer was a Mac SE, and I thought about it long and hard before I
> >> bought my first clone box. But a Mac these days will give you the
> >> Web, word processing, and digital imaging quite well, I agree.
> >
> >Considered as what? A lawn ornament? <gdr>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Article 18273
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:05:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Help! I've fallen and I can't get up.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Bob Lawson" <bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com> wrote in message
> My, that was off-topic.
Yes. <gdr>
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Article 18274
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:09:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Advice Please
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I second the Earthlink reco... though I still think of them as Mindspring.
Have been running a corp presence (mobiug.com) there for over 4 years now.
No problems.
My current site (nxview.com) is hosted by Conxion.com and I've had several
problems including major East coast outages. I would warn you off that one.
I've been researching replacements.
I would recommend searching on Web Hosting Reviews. There are many sites out
there that review ISPs and Hosting providers such as hostingreviews.com and
hostcompare.com. The best site for you really depends on your needs.
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message news:3a573d1d.0@news.sff.net...
> I could recommend Earthlink, but then I am biased.:)
>
> Seriously, though, I don't know who does good/bad.
>
> Filksinger
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Article 18275
From: Eli Hestermann <ehestermann@whoi.edu>
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 07:03:02 +0900
Subject: Re: Help! I've fallen and I can't get up.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
ddavitt wrote:
> Does <g> mean something else in upper case? I see <g> on afh a fair bit.
I'm pretty sure <G> is equivalent to <bg>
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@whoi.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 18276
From: Eli Hestermann <ehestermann@whoi.edu>
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 07:04:29 +0900
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Good to hear you'll be back, Fader....I think <gdr>.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@whoi.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 18277
From: Eli Hestermann <ehestermann@whoi.edu>
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 07:05:22 +0900
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bob Lawson wrote:
> >Bob Lawson beats us percentage wise--it's gotta be over half his life!
> Yeah... 10 years now (11 on Friday)... 59%
An early happy birthday, Bob. The computer will be packed for our move
back to the US as of tomorrow night.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@whoi.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 18278
From: lal_truckee@my-deja.com
Date: 8 Jan 2001 23:03:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Genetic discoveries
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
> Make a great plot for an SF novel (or series thereof), though.
No. No. A thousand times no. NOT A SERIES!
Sorry. I'll go back to sleep now.
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Article 18279
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 18:19:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Help! I've fallen and I can't get up.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Eli Hestermann wrote:
> ddavitt wrote:
>
> > Does <g> mean something else in upper case? I see <g> on afh a fair bit.
>
> I'm pretty sure <G> is equivalent to <bg>
>
>
<giggle>
Jane
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Article 18280
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 12:24:58 -0500
Subject: Re: More on the election counting.....
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ed--
I watched it last night. The quote is fairly accurate, though the
"recount" line wasn't quite as heavily emphasized.
It's a great movie, though. I think that is the first time I have
ever watched it straight through.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
"Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things
they make it easier to do don't need to be done." -- Andy Rooney
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Article 18281
From: Margaret Albrecht" <mealbr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:15:08 -0600
Subject: Re: Advice Please
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Robert Larson <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> wrote in message
news:3a59f45a.0@news.sff.net...
> I second the Earthlink reco... though I still think of them as Mindspring.
> I would recommend searching on Web Hosting Reviews. There are many sites
out
> there that review ISPs and Hosting providers such as hostingreviews.com
and
> hostcompare.com. The best site for you really depends on your needs.
Thanks to you and Filksinger for the advice. I'll check it out. This
"starting your own business" is certainly... involved.
Margaret
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Article 18282
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 22:46:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bob: I've got about one half of that, close to 10.3%.
Ed J
(60 months upload/ 61 months download)
On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 02:34:02 GMT, bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob
Lawson) wrote:
>
>>Bob Lawson beats us percentage wise--it's gotta be over half his life!
>Yeah... 10 years now (11 on Friday)... 59%
>
>Bob
>bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
>www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18283
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:11:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 02:34:02 GMT, bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob
Lawson) wrote:
>Yeah... 10 years now (11 on Friday)... 59%
I seem to remember that Angelique is credited as first posting in
about Nov 1991, and the bulk of the rest of us joined in spring of
'92. Am I misremembering? JT, a little help?
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Article 18284
From: David M. Silver" <agplusone@loop.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 02:58:30 -0800
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Robert Larson wrote:
> [snip]
> > And the iMac series should definitely be considered, as long as you
> > don't want the newest stuff first, especially games! My first "real"
> > computer was a Mac SE, and I thought about it long and hard before I
> > bought my first clone box. But a Mac these days will give you the
> > Web, word processing, and digital imaging quite well, I agree.
>
> Considered as what? A lawn ornament? <gdr>
Tell me, Robert, do you know what the impact of a WP .50 cal spotting round for
a 106 mm recoilless looks like? That was what you just saw one tiny click to
your left. <veg>
Seriously, you might enjoy the new ones. The 500 Mhz, DVD SE I received for
Christmas isn't exactly the fulfillment of "all my boyish dreams," but 'twil do
for the time being.
David
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Article 18285
From: James Gifford <jgifford@rcsis.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 19:58:35 -0800
Subject: Re: Quote of the Century
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ed Johnson wrote:
> I thought that the Star War's 'Force' looked an awful lot like the
> Rosacrucian 'life force'. It permeates the universe and emanates
> from all living beings. They claim that people can tap into this
> Force ("Use the Force, Luke") to aid them. Even though ObiWan
> Kenobe described it 'long, long ago'; I first heard of it from a
> Rosacrucian advertisement 35 years ago.
> I don't know of a Web site for the ancient order of Rosacrucians;
> but I believe that they were headquartered in San Jose, California.
Probably the best writeup of them I've seen is in one of Poundstone's
"Big Secrets" books. He has about twenty pages, all of which are
screamingly funny, and all he does is repeat what he found as an
initiate and home student. (It's in _Bigger Secrets_ or _Biggest
Secrets_, not the first one.)
Put briefly, their stuff is about at the level of a Jr. High parody of
Masonry. Goofy and amateurish in the extreme.
--
| James Gifford - Nitrosyncretic Press - gifford@nitrosyncretic.com |
| See http://www.nitrosyncretic.com for the Heinlein FAQ & more |
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Article 18286
From: Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:30:53 -0800
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
And a Belated Happy Birthday from the "right" side of Washington.
--
`rita
Am I live? Very busy in Finley, Washington
Please use lorrita-m@prodigy.net only for all email.
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Article 18287
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 16:22:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
`rita:
Live or Memorix, it's good to hear from you <g>.
Ed J
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:30:53 -0800, "Lorrita Morgan"
<lorrita-m@prodigy.net> wrote:
>And a Belated Happy Birthday from the "right" side of Washington.
>
>--
>`rita
>Am I live? Very busy in Finley, Washington
>Please use lorrita-m@prodigy.net only for all email.
>
>
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Article 18288
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:37:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 05:11:50 GMT, hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai
Johnson-Pickett) wrote:
>On Mon, 08 Jan 2001 02:34:02 GMT, bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob
>Lawson) wrote:
>
>>Yeah... 10 years now (11 on Friday)... 59%
>
>I seem to remember that Angelique is credited as first posting in
>about Nov 1991, and the bulk of the rest of us joined in spring of
>'92. Am I misremembering? JT, a little help?
Nope, you're right, Jai. This is why I could never be a financial
auditor or work on any of those important software programs like
guidance for spacecraft. ;)
If we are shooting for straight existence of the HF, it would be 10
years later this year.
Of people that still post at least occasionally, I've got listed in
the timeline we published back then:
4/92--Geo & Deb (although it was separately then. <eg> )
5/92-- Jai, Doc, JT, Dee, Audrey (& Bob by extension), Les, MadgEdith
6/92--BC
8/92--WJaKe (just WJK back then ;)
9/92-- bytor, SIFI Rob
10/92-- Jovian Bill, Greg/Fader/Granpa
It's been a fun ride, folks. Thanks for it all!
JT
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Article 18289
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 14 Jan 2001 00:36:13 GMT
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Obviously, to those of you who didn't know, I am a veritable newbie on this
list by comparison. I've tried to make up for it in volume, though.
Though I have been lax of late in my duty to bury you all in my timely commentary.
Hmm.
Filksinger
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Article 18290
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:05:02 GMT
Subject: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
This is, well, off-topic I am afraid. However, I am feeling very
persecuted in that no one I know appreciates the beauty of Reverse
Polish Notation. I was wondering if there was, perhaps, anyone in this
group who prefers it to typical algebraic mode?
Thanks.
Oh BTW This came to mind because I got a(n?) HP 49G for my birthday to
take the place of the venerable but dated 48S (mine was about 8 years
old). It supports both modes, and I still stand by my conclusion that
RPN is faster and not as difficult as some make it seem.
Hmm.. there must be some way to make this on-topic..
Ah yes, on a related note, I've been thinking that Max Jones wouldn't
have looked nearly as smart if he'd had a HP 49G. (hey hey, it's on
topic now!)
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18291
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:06:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Happy Birthday JT
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I could be wrong; I thought I was seven when I first posted... then
again that would be 1990 so I suppose that is unrealistic. (I may have
confused it with when I first got on P*)
>I seem to remember that Angelique is credited as first posting in
>about Nov 1991, and the bulk of the rest of us joined in spring of
>'92. Am I misremembering? JT, a little help?
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18292
From: SynABit@kc.invalid (Dennis Doms)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:28:00 GMT
Subject: Re: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a61165a.1027151@news.sff.net>, bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob
Lawson) wrote:
>This is, well, off-topic I am afraid. However, I am feeling very
>persecuted in that no one I know appreciates the beauty of Reverse
>Polish Notation. I was wondering if there was, perhaps, anyone in this
>group who prefers it to typical algebraic mode?
>Thanks.
>Oh BTW This came to mind because I got a(n?) HP 49G for my birthday to
>take the place of the venerable but dated 48S (mine was about 8 years
>old). It supports both modes, and I still stand by my conclusion that
>RPN is faster and not as difficult as some make it seem.
>Hmm.. there must be some way to make this on-topic..
>Ah yes, on a related note, I've been thinking that Max Jones wouldn't
>have looked nearly as smart if he'd had a HP 49G. (hey hey, it's on
>topic now!)
>
>Bob
>bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
>www.bluepoet.com
I think it's easiest to appreciate the elegance of RPN if you've ever done
assembly language programming. And a little bit of a math geek. :)
I started college just as the first pocket electronic calculators came onto
the market. I bought a Texas Instruments SR-10 when they first came out (first
model with scientific/exponential notation). It was taking me at least couple
of hours a night to pound out homework in engineering physics. Shortly
thereafter I saw an HP-35, did some research, and saw the HP-45 was being
released around the end of the semester. My (thankfully, very supportive)
parents got me one and my homework time dropped to about 10-20 minutes a night
the next semester.
I think the conceptual problem is that most people want to take things
linearly without analysis. You can do that with an "algebraic logic"
calculator if you have enough levels of parentheses. The problem at the time I
bought the HP is that I was doing programs that would overfow the level of
parentheses on most of the algebraic calculators at the time.
RPN required you to analyze the equation you were evaluating, find the
"center" (sort of an Eastern-religion sounding thing, and it sometimes felt
like that), and start from there, but once you did you could usually work
through the problem without having to write down intermediate results. Before
calculators I had been using (dual- and triple-log) slide rules, so having to
analyze the best way to attack the equation wasn't a new thing.
It generated a lot of debate. TI came out with the TI-57(?) a few months
after(?) the HP-45, and it had most of the scientific functions and several
levels of parentheses, and then the fight was on. However, we ran many
challenges and the HP's always won. And the HPs had the additional benefit of
being _MUCH_ tougher; I once bounced one off a concrete wall like a handball
to demonstrate (it was a soft toss from about 6-8 feet away, and I had seen
one accidentally dropped and have a piece of equipment fall on it in a lab so
I was pretty sure I was on safe ground :). When I suggested someone try it
with their TI, I got no takers. (The HPs also had spill protection, etc., and
I know one guy who fried two TIs one year by dropping them in liquid, etc.)
Several years after college I donated the HP-45 to my old high school physics
and math teacher for demonstrations (HPs were still too expensive for most
schools to buy routinely). The HP-16c and HP-15c were just out and I had
picked up one of each (one was a scientific, the other a data processing
model). I've still got those (probably almost 20 years old?).
But I think the algebraic models have most of the market now. And for most
stuff, they work fine. It takes a couple of weeks to adjust to RPN, and once
you do it gets hard to switch back and forth. (More than once I've lost the
first part of a calculation on an algebraic by punching in the next number
and, when not finding the "Enter" key, suddently realizing that there is no
stack :).
--
Dennis Doms SynABit@kc.invalid http://home.earthlink.net/~chemsleuth
[replace "invalid" with "rr.com" for valid mail]
"It doesn't matter if we turn to dust; turn and turn and turn we must
I guess I'll see you, dancing in the ruins tonight..."
-- Blue Oyster Cult
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Article 18293
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 20:09:14 GMT
Subject: Re: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Dennis:
I still use my TI-59, thousand step programable calc. It
displays 10 digits externally of the 13 digits it uses for each
calculation. It reads and writes to small magnetic cards to save
programs. It came out in 1977 and the comtemporary HP units
required double the cost in "add-ons" to equal (or better) this
unit. (If you spent twice as much as the TI-59, your could get more
memory on an HP). The memory expansion was seperate as was a
magnetic card reading unit. These functions are built into this
ti-59. These calcs were awsome for their day and the unit has extra
'logic' modules that can be easily swapped to add more functions in
the field of engineering, math or accounting for example.
I rarely use my K&E, 10 inch, LogLog deci-trig duplex these days.
An old calculator might still get some use, an old slide rule is
another thing. <g>
Bob: Max missed not having books of conversions (except for the
spare 'set' he carried in his head). . . Back in the early `60s, I
wished for books of log tables. That ti-59 can display (or print
out on the auxilary printer) more logs (natural or base 10) than an
entire Library wall of log tables in book form. Once I got my hands
on that ancient calculator, I never wished for log tables again.
Ed J
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:28:00 GMT, SynABit@kc.invalid (Dennis Doms)
wrote:
>In article <3a61165a.1027151@news.sff.net>, bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob
>Lawson) wrote:
>
>>This is, well, off-topic I am afraid. However, I am feeling very
>>persecuted in that no one I know appreciates the beauty of Reverse
>>Polish Notation. I was wondering if there was, perhaps, anyone in this
>>group who prefers it to typical algebraic mode?
>>Thanks.
>>Oh BTW This came to mind because I got a(n?) HP 49G for my birthday to
>>take the place of the venerable but dated 48S (mine was about 8 years
>>old). It supports both modes, and I still stand by my conclusion that
>>RPN is faster and not as difficult as some make it seem.
>>Hmm.. there must be some way to make this on-topic..
>>Ah yes, on a related note, I've been thinking that Max Jones wouldn't
>>have looked nearly as smart if he'd had a HP 49G. (hey hey, it's on
>>topic now!)
>>
>>Bob
>>bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
>>www.bluepoet.com
>
>I think it's easiest to appreciate the elegance of RPN if you've ever done
>assembly language programming. And a little bit of a math geek. :)
>
>I started college just as the first pocket electronic calculators came onto
>the market. I bought a Texas Instruments SR-10 when they first came out (first
>model with scientific/exponential notation). It was taking me at least couple
>of hours a night to pound out homework in engineering physics. Shortly
>thereafter I saw an HP-35, did some research, and saw the HP-45 was being
>released around the end of the semester. My (thankfully, very supportive)
>parents got me one and my homework time dropped to about 10-20 minutes a night
>the next semester.
>
>I think the conceptual problem is that most people want to take things
>linearly without analysis. You can do that with an "algebraic logic"
>calculator if you have enough levels of parentheses. The problem at the time I
>bought the HP is that I was doing programs that would overfow the level of
>parentheses on most of the algebraic calculators at the time.
>
>RPN required you to analyze the equation you were evaluating, find the
>"center" (sort of an Eastern-religion sounding thing, and it sometimes felt
>like that), and start from there, but once you did you could usually work
>through the problem without having to write down intermediate results. Before
>calculators I had been using (dual- and triple-log) slide rules, so having to
>analyze the best way to attack the equation wasn't a new thing.
>
>It generated a lot of debate. TI came out with the TI-57(?) a few months
>after(?) the HP-45, and it had most of the scientific functions and several
>levels of parentheses, and then the fight was on. However, we ran many
>challenges and the HP's always won. And the HPs had the additional benefit of
>being _MUCH_ tougher; I once bounced one off a concrete wall like a handball
>to demonstrate (it was a soft toss from about 6-8 feet away, and I had seen
>one accidentally dropped and have a piece of equipment fall on it in a lab so
>I was pretty sure I was on safe ground :). When I suggested someone try it
>with their TI, I got no takers. (The HPs also had spill protection, etc., and
>I know one guy who fried two TIs one year by dropping them in liquid, etc.)
>
>Several years after college I donated the HP-45 to my old high school physics
>and math teacher for demonstrations (HPs were still too expensive for most
>schools to buy routinely). The HP-16c and HP-15c were just out and I had
>picked up one of each (one was a scientific, the other a data processing
>model). I've still got those (probably almost 20 years old?).
>
>But I think the algebraic models have most of the market now. And for most
>stuff, they work fine. It takes a couple of weeks to adjust to RPN, and once
>you do it gets hard to switch back and forth. (More than once I've lost the
>first part of a calculation on an algebraic by punching in the next number
>and, when not finding the "Enter" key, suddently realizing that there is no
>stack :).
>
> --
>Dennis Doms SynABit@kc.invalid http://home.earthlink.net/~chemsleuth
>[replace "invalid" with "rr.com" for valid mail]
>
> "It doesn't matter if we turn to dust; turn and turn and turn we must
> I guess I'll see you, dancing in the ruins tonight..."
> -- Blue Oyster Cult
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Article 18294
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 21:43:56 GMT
Subject: Re: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Agreed; I've kept mine in the external pocket of my backpack
throughout school and it's held up wonderfully. Notably, I was in a
bike wreck a few months ago in which I flipped the bike and landed on
my backpack/head, and the thing wasn't even scarred. (Perhaps it's sad
that my calculator's functionality was the first thing I checked after
I scrambled out of the street...)
>challenges and the HP's always won. And the HPs had the additional benefit of
>being _MUCH_ tougher; I once bounced one off a concrete wall like a handball
>to demonstrate (it was a soft toss from about 6-8 feet away, and I had seen
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18295
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 14 Jan 2001 23:56:01 GMT
Subject: Re: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bob, Bob, Bob, surely you know that no topic is off-topic _here_.
I, too, enjoy RPN, though, since I haven't used it since my first calculator,
don't know that I would prefer it anymore. Since that calculator was my
first (and a pretty powerful one, considering that this was in the days
when a $20 calculator was cheap), I will always have a soft spot in my heart
for it and its little quirks.
Filksinger
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Article 18296
From: Margaret Albrecht" <mealbr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 18:24:32 -0600
Subject: Name Server
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I'm trying to register a domain name. I've gotten to a part where I don't
know what they're asking for. I'm hoping someone on The Forum does. What
is a Name Server? Is it the name of the web host? Here's what the
registration page asks for.
Step 4: Define Name
Servers
Each domain name must be associated with a minimum of
two name servers (primary
and secondary). If you do not have name servers or do
not know what they are, you
may park your domain name at the Dotster futurehome
site by clicking on the "Park
My Domain" button below. There is no charge to park
your domain name with
Dotster.
If you need to register name servers using the domain
names that you are currently
registering, you will be able to log into your
account and do so following the
registration process. You may park your domain name
with Dotster until that time.
If you do not wish to park your domain name and would
like to enter your own name
servers, begin by entering the first name server in
the field below. Enter only the
name servers host name (example: ns1.dotster.com) and
not the name servers IP
address.
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Article 18297
From: SynABit@kc.invalid (Dennis Doms)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:42:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Name Server
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a624339.0@news.sff.net>, "Margaret Albrecht"
<mealbr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>I'm trying to register a domain name. I've gotten to a part where I don't
>know what they're asking for. I'm hoping someone on The Forum does. What
>is a Name Server? Is it the name of the web host? Here's what the
>registration page asks for.
Let me take a stab at it, and then someone else may come along with a better
explanation...
A name server is a network server that relates IP addresses to an name in
response to a query. E.g., if I ping "www.sff.net", an inquiry is made to the
name server that returns the actual address of that server (207.55.146.50 at
this point in time) so the ping can be performed.
If you are having another company host your domain, often they will provide
the domain name service. Or you could end up running your own domain services,
but you'd have to coordinate this with other name servers on the Internet to
ensure your databases remain consistent (having conflicting relations would
not be a good thing). Usually this is something you resolve with the company
providing your Internet connectivity prior to finalizing the domain name
request, or sometimes the company will submit the final domain request for you
along with their portion of the information.
--
Dennis Doms SynABit@kc.invalid http://home.earthlink.net/~chemsleuth
[replace "invalid" with "rr.com" for valid mail]
"It doesn't matter if we turn to dust; turn and turn and turn we must
I guess I'll see you, dancing in the ruins tonight..."
-- Blue Oyster Cult
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Article 18298
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 04:27:54 GMT
Subject: Re: Name Server
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Dennis: Sounds like you've got it. A DNS or Domain Naming Service
(Server) is the server that translates any site 'name'
(www.jennyjump.com) into the IP address (199.20.64.40)
I guess that if the TCP/IP protocol properties does not list a DNS
server (I just checked and my cable modem setup does not) a call to
your ISP would be in order. Each service provider has one or more
DNS servers to do the address translation .
Ed J
LAN Administrator
NJ Commerce
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 00:42:05 GMT, SynABit@kc.invalid (Dennis Doms)
wrote:
>In article <3a624339.0@news.sff.net>, "Margaret Albrecht"
><mealbr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>I'm trying to register a domain name. I've gotten to a part where I don't
>>know what they're asking for. I'm hoping someone on The Forum does. What
>>is a Name Server? Is it the name of the web host? Here's what the
>>registration page asks for.
>
>Let me take a stab at it, and then someone else may come along with a better
>explanation...
>
>A name server is a network server that relates IP addresses to an name in
>response to a query. E.g., if I ping "www.sff.net", an inquiry is made to the
>name server that returns the actual address of that server (207.55.146.50 at
>this point in time) so the ping can be performed.
>
>If you are having another company host your domain, often they will provide
>the domain name service. Or you could end up running your own domain services,
>but you'd have to coordinate this with other name servers on the Internet to
>ensure your databases remain consistent (having conflicting relations would
>not be a good thing). Usually this is something you resolve with the company
>providing your Internet connectivity prior to finalizing the domain name
>request, or sometimes the company will submit the final domain request for you
>along with their portion of the information.
>
> --
>Dennis Doms SynABit@kc.invalid http://home.earthlink.net/~chemsleuth
>[replace "invalid" with "rr.com" for valid mail]
>
> "It doesn't matter if we turn to dust; turn and turn and turn we must
> I guess I'll see you, dancing in the ruins tonight..."
> -- Blue Oyster Cult
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Article 18299
From: Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 23:35:46 -0500
Subject: Re: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a61165a.1027151@news.sff.net>, Bob Lawson writes...
> This is, well, off-topic I am afraid. However, I am feeling very
> persecuted in that no one I know appreciates the beauty of Reverse
> Polish Notation. I was wondering if there was, perhaps, anyone in this
> group who prefers it to typical algebraic mode?
All hail Prof. Jan Lukasiewicz!!
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 18300
From: Penn Hackney <penn@att.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 01:50:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Telephone call
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Charles Graft wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> I have decided that the estate is likely to be named Jubal. Or
> Harshaw.
>
Say, does Dr. Harshaw from _Stranger_ show up again? I can't recall
him except for some chapter headings in _The Cat Who Walks Through
Walls_ -- is he in that novel as well? Others? Sometimes I think he
was a real person. Which is a comfort, especially after Heinlein's
death.
P.S. I hope Mr. Gifford's superb _Reader's Companion_ might add an
index of characters some day.
--
Penn Hackney, Pittsburgh, PA
Democracy can stand anything but democrats.
-- Jubal Harshaw, 1904-
http://penn.home.att.net/heinlein.htm
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Article 18301
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 09:03:35 -0500
Subject: Re: Telephone call
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Penn Hackney wrote:
>
> >
> Say, does Dr. Harshaw from _Stranger_ show up again? I can't recall
> him except for some chapter headings in _The Cat Who Walks Through
> Walls_ -- is he in that novel as well? Others? Sometimes I think he
> was a real person. Which is a comfort, especially after Heinlein's
> death.
>
> P.S. I hope Mr. Gifford's superb _Reader's Companion_ might add an
> index of characters some day.
> --
>
He appears at the end of Number of the Beast and makes brief appearances
in Cat I think and To Sail in flashbacks when Maureen is reminiscing.
Jane
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Article 18302
From: filksinger@earthlink.net
Date: 15 Jan 2001 15:28:51 GMT
Subject: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The title is a pun and a joke, as you will see in a moment.
I was watching a movie recently, an old favorite, when I realized that I
had probably just seen a first in movie history.
If I am right, it makes a good if oddball trivia question. If I am wrong,
I am interested in knowing what the correct answer is.
In what movie did a _protagonist_ played by a major Hollywood actor first
declare he was gay?
I am hoping the answer will be a surprise.
Filksinger
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Article 18303
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:23:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Name Server
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
All true info here. Here's a bit more...
You need to decide who is going to "host" your domain's servers. If you are
just "squatting" on the domains for now you don't need to declare a name
server (you can put anything in there). If you want to bring up a server
such as www.yournewdomain.com you need to learn what the name and IP address
of those servers are.
For instance, you're on the Internet right now. You can do Start | Run |
winipcfg and click More Info to learn what DNS Servers (Name Servers) you
are currently using.
If you're going to use a hosting service like earthlink or Conxion or Joe's
Web Hosts, Inc. You need to get up with them and learn what they want you to
use.
"Margaret Albrecht" <mealbr@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3a624339.0@news.sff.net...
> I'm trying to register a domain name. I've gotten to a part where I don't
> know what they're asking for. I'm hoping someone on The Forum does. What
> is a Name Server? Is it the name of the web host? Here's what the
> registration page asks for.
>
>
> Step 4: Define Name
> Servers
>
> Each domain name must be associated with a minimum
of
> two name servers (primary
> and secondary). If you do not have name servers or
do
> not know what they are, you
> may park your domain name at the Dotster futurehome
> site by clicking on the "Park
> My Domain" button below. There is no charge to park
> your domain name with
> Dotster.
>
> If you need to register name servers using the
domain
> names that you are currently
> registering, you will be able to log into your
> account and do so following the
> registration process. You may park your domain name
> with Dotster until that time.
>
> If you do not wish to park your domain name and
would
> like to enter your own name
> servers, begin by entering the first name server in
> the field below. Enter only the
> name servers host name (example: ns1.dotster.com)
and
> not the name servers IP
> address.
>
>
>
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Article 18304
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:29:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Oh I _was_ serious. They really do make lovely planters! 'course you got to
open em up and gut out all that electronic junk they ship em with. But once
you get down to the case they're really cool. My company flirted early on
with those i-mac things. (Before I took over IT!) We put a couple of them up
on shelves in our lobby where they catch the light from the big windows
behind reception. Put a diefenbachia in one and I think some kind of
climbing roses in the other. Their both climbers anyway. They are tres cool
devices now. Great coversation pieces for our clients.
And hey... we do actually have 2 Mac's here still in production use (for
testing and some dev-work). I think they are called G4s or Gx4s. Something
like that. They're not as cool as the IMacs, but the cases are still much
cooler than the PCs, I'll give you that. I tried to use one once but I
couldn't find the Start button so I gave up.
"David M. Silver" <agplusone@loop.com> wrote in message
news:3A5EE356.A9096F2@loop.com...
> Robert Larson wrote:
>
> > [snip]
> > > And the iMac series should definitely be considered, as long as you
> > > don't want the newest stuff first, especially games! My first "real"
> > > computer was a Mac SE, and I thought about it long and hard before I
> > > bought my first clone box. But a Mac these days will give you the
> > > Web, word processing, and digital imaging quite well, I agree.
> >
> > Considered as what? A lawn ornament? <gdr>
>
> Tell me, Robert, do you know what the impact of a WP .50 cal spotting
round for
> a 106 mm recoilless looks like? That was what you just saw one tiny click
to
> your left. <veg>
>
> Seriously, you might enjoy the new ones. The 500 Mhz, DVD SE I received
for
> Christmas isn't exactly the fulfillment of "all my boyish dreams," but
'twil do
> for the time being.
>
> David
>
>
>
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Article 18305
From: Bill Dauphin <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:19:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Robert Larson wrote:
> I tried to use [a Mac] once but I
> couldn't find the Start button so I gave up.
Hmmm... not being able find the "Start" button doesn't mean you can't use it;
it only means you can't shut it down. After all, that's what the "Start" button
does in Windows, right? <GD&RLH>
-JovBill
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Article 18306
From: Margaret Albrecht" <mealbr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:05:50 -0600
Subject: Re: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
<filksinger@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:3a631733.0@news.sff.net...
> The title is a pun and a joke, as you will see in a moment.
> In what movie did a _protagonist_ played by a major Hollywood actor first
> declare he was gay?
Filksinger,
The one that comes to my mind is one of the ones with Rock Hudson and Doris
Day. I think it was Pillow Talk. Once you found out Rock Hudson was gay in
real life, it added a new edge to the movie. Here was a gay actor playing a
straight playboy who was pretending to be gay so that he could get Doris
Day's character to "fix" him of his "problem."
Naive side note: I was so young when I first saw the movie, I didn't
understand the nature of the "problem" Rock Hudson's character was
pretending to have. I thought he was just supposed to be really shy.
Homosexual was a term I hadn't heard of, or, if I had, didn't understand.
Margaret
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Article 18307
From: Margaret Albrecht" <mealbr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:16:19 -0600
Subject: Re: Name Server
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Robert Larson <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> wrote in message
news:3a6378a6.0@news.sff.net...
> All true info here. Here's a bit more...
Thanks to all for the information. Now I understand what they're asking
for. I haven't picked out a host server yet, so I'll park the name for the
time being.
Margaret
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Article 18308
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:58:50 GMT
Subject: Yeah. Finally Back!!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
OK, Got the Free Agent off the old machine, D/Led 500 messages & here
we is.
So what's been shakin'?
Fader
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Article 18309
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:12:07 GMT
Subject: Free Agent Q?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Does anyone know what the latest version of free agent is? & possibly
be willing to share?
Fader
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Article 18310
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 02:39:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Bill Dauphin" <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote
> Robert Larson wrote:
>
> > I tried to use [a Mac] once but I
> > couldn't find the Start button so I gave up.
>
> Hmmm... not being able find the "Start" button doesn't mean you can't use
it;
> it only means you can't shut it down. After all, that's what the "Start"
button
> does in Windows, right? <GD&RLH>
>
At Chicon 2000, last year's WorldCon, the internet lounge was all i-Mac. I
sat down at one, clicked on the Internet Explorer icon, and nothing
happened. So I clicked on it again. Nothing happened. So:
(To the guy next to me) "Hey, how do you fire up IE on this thing?"
"Oh, you have to use the Chooser"
Thinking he was referring to the mouse, I said "Yes, I clicked on it.
Nothing happened"
"No, go up to that little drop down box in the corner."
And sure enough, there were three instances of IE running. I clicked on it,
and up it came.
I'm sorry, Mac-ers, but I really expected clicking on a probram to actually
start that program in a window where I could see it! But no, it was start
program, then select it from another, unmarked little box in the corner.
And Macs are easier to use?
Somebody `splain it to me!
<g>
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18311
From: David Wright" <maikosht@alltel.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 13:18:17 -0500
Subject: Re: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Bob Lawson" <bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com> wrote in message
news:3a61165a.1027151@news.sff.net...
> This is, well, off-topic I am afraid. However, I am feeling very
> persecuted in that no one I know appreciates the beauty of Reverse
> Polish Notation. I was wondering if there was, perhaps, anyone in this
> group who prefers it to typical algebraic mode?
(snip)
Bob. I've had a soft spot in my heart and head for RPN since I came across a
'Programmed Learning Book' on it sometime in the late 50's or early 60's, I
believe. Then after I went to GA Tech in the late 60's, I was introduced to
the Burroughs B5500 which was built on the concept of RPN. It was called a
'zero address' machine as data was loaded on the stack one element at a time
and then the operation performed on the top one or two elements on the stack
leaving the result as the top element, depending on whether or not the
operation was unary or binary. Also, much later I came across a language
called FORTH which utilized the same principles, (and more), in a virtual
machine. It was really fast, but was a bear to debug, as I recall. I do
recall an HP which used it, but this was in the early days of hand-held
calculators, cost $700 or so, and my boss wouldn't let me keep it when I
left that job :)
David Wright
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Article 18312
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:18:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Free Agent Q?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 07:12:07 GMT, fader555@aol.com (Fader) wrote:
>Does anyone know what the latest version of free agent is? & possibly
>be willing to share?
>
>Fader
version 1.21
Get it from http://www.forteinc.com/getfa/download.htm
--JT
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Article 18313
From: SynABit@kc.invalid (Dennis Doms)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:28:38 GMT
Subject: Re: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a64906b.0@207.55.146.44>, "David Wright" <maikosht@alltel.net>
wrote:
>Bob. I've had a soft spot in my heart and head for RPN since I came across a
>'Programmed Learning Book' on it sometime in the late 50's or early 60's, I
>believe. Then after I went to GA Tech in the late 60's, I was introduced to
>the Burroughs B5500 which was built on the concept of RPN. It was called a
>'zero address' machine as data was loaded on the stack one element at a time
>and then the operation performed on the top one or two elements on the stack
>leaving the result as the top element, depending on whether or not the
>operation was unary or binary. Also, much later I came across a language
>called FORTH which utilized the same principles, (and more), in a virtual
>machine. It was really fast, but was a bear to debug, as I recall. I do
>recall an HP which used it, but this was in the early days of hand-held
>calculators, cost $700 or so, and my boss wouldn't let me keep it when I
>left that job :)
>
>David Wright
I bought my FORTH from Cap'n Crunch. But that's another story. :)
RE calculator: most likely the HP-65. Did it have a miniature (magnetic) card
reader in it? (It was the most expensive model I can recall HP making before
prices started sliding down.)
--
Dennis Doms SynABit@kc.invalid http://home.earthlink.net/~chemsleuth
[replace "invalid" with "rr.com" for valid mail]
"It doesn't matter if we turn to dust; turn and turn and turn we must
I guess I'll see you, dancing in the ruins tonight..."
-- Blue Oyster Cult
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Article 18314
From: robertaw@halcyon.com (Robert A. Woodward)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 18:29:37 -0800
Subject: Re: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a64e6ce.1019371@news.sff.net>, SynABit@kc.invalid (Dennis
Doms) wrote:
> In article <3a64906b.0@207.55.146.44>, "David Wright" <maikosht@alltel.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Bob. I've had a soft spot in my heart and head for RPN since I came across a
> >'Programmed Learning Book' on it sometime in the late 50's or early 60's, I
> >believe. Then after I went to GA Tech in the late 60's, I was introduced to
> >the Burroughs B5500 which was built on the concept of RPN. It was called a
<snip re: RPN>
>
> I bought my FORTH from Cap'n Crunch. But that's another story. :)
>
> RE calculator: most likely the HP-65. Did it have a miniature (magnetic) card
> reader in it? (It was the most expensive model I can recall HP making before
> prices started sliding down.)
>
Yes. As did the successor model, HP-67. And the desktop printer
calculators (HP-95 & HP-97 , which were the most expensive HP
calculators).
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Article 18315
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 03:08:37 GMT
Subject: Re: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 15 Jan 2001 15:28:51 GMT, filksinger@earthlink.net wrote:
>The title is a pun and a joke, as you will see in a moment.
>
>I was watching a movie recently, an old favorite, when I realized that I
>had probably just seen a first in movie history.
>
>If I am right, it makes a good if oddball trivia question. If I am wrong,
>I am interested in knowing what the correct answer is.
>
>In what movie did a _protagonist_ played by a major Hollywood actor first
>declare he was gay?
>
>I am hoping the answer will be a surprise.
>
>Filksinger
If memory serves, Cary Grant, in "Bringing Up Baby"
He was wearing a pink, frilly nightie at the time.
But it was a joke -- he wasn't playing a gay character. And I'm not
even sure he meant "gay" that way.
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Article 18316
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 03:11:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Yeah. Finally Back!!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 06:58:50 GMT, fader555@aol.com (Fader) wrote:
>OK, Got the Free Agent off the old machine, D/Led 500 messages & here
>we is.
>
>So what's been shakin'?
>
>Fader
Welcome back, Greg! And give my best to Beth. Looking forward to
seeing you guys again in June.
Jai
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Article 18317
From: SpaceCadet <cdozo@hotmail.com_delete_this>
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:01:55 -0600
Subject: Earth Light
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hey All,
If you don't mind loading a kind of large image, check out
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
It's well worth it.
Carol
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Article 18318
From: SpaceCadet <cdozo@hotmail.com_delete_this>
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:08:56 -0600
Subject: Re: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bob Lawson wrote:
>
> ...no one I know appreciates the beauty of Reverse
> Polish Notation. I was wondering if there was, perhaps, anyone in this
> group who prefers it to typical algebraic mode?
I just ordered an HP 48 for work. I didn't realize they'd get one
for me, and I've been suffering quite a bit with a non-RPN
calculator. I didn't want to bring my HP in for fear that it
might get stolen. Then I found out they'd get me exactly what I
wanted. So now I'm a happy engineer. It turns out most all of the
engineers I work with have HP's.
Carol
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Article 18319
From: Bill Dauphin <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 00:09:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Well, those iMacs were probably running OS 9 (which I don't/can't with my
ancient box), so there may be some new paradigms I'm not familiar with... but
I don't really think so.
"William J. Keaton" wrote:
> (To the guy next to me) "Hey, how do you fire up IE on this thing?"
> "Oh, you have to use the Chooser"
> Thinking he was referring to the mouse, I said "Yes, I clicked on it.
> Nothing happened"
> "No, go up to that little drop down box in the corner."
Hmmm... assuming you're talking about the drop-down menu in the upper
righthand corner of the screen, that's NOT the Chooser (which right away
suggests that your ad-hoc advisor didn't know what he was talking about); it's
the Application Menu... roughly equivalent to the taskbar in Windows95/98/NT4.
The icon indicates the currently active application; the contents of the menu
list the other open apps... not really such a deep mystery. The Chooser, OTOH,
is an Apple-menu (roughly equivalent to Start menu) accessory that allows you
do select from installed printers, servers, modems, etc. Since I have only one
printer installed on my home machine and I'm not on a network, I *NEVER* need
to use the Chooser. Likely you wouldn't, either, in an internet-lounge
setting, unless you needed to send output to something other than the default
printer.
> I'm sorry, Mac-ers, but I really expected clicking on a probram to actually
> start that program in a window where I could see it!
Well, gee, that's what always happens on *my* Mac. Actually, in the Mac OS (at
least up through 8.0), the "window" is the whole desktop, roughly similar to
running an app maximized in Windows. Since that's the way I always work on my
NT box at work, I never notice any difference; YMMV.
> But no, it was start
> program, then select it from another, unmarked little box in the corner.
I can't speak to how the Chicon folks had their machines set up, but that's
not how the OS works by default. I think I might know what happened, though: A
previous user had launched IE, then closed the *browser* window (i.e., an IE
*document*) without quitting the app. In this case, you would see the desktop
in the background, but the menu bar would show the IE menus. If someone then
clicked on the desktop, the Finder (i.e., the desktop application) would
become active. Now when you came along and double-clicked the IE icon, because
it was already running you didn't see the application's startup splash screen
(you wouldn't in Windows, either). If you didn't notice that the menu-bar and
application menu icon had changed to reflect IE, and you then (perhaps without
even realizing it) clicked on the desktop, you might have brought the Finder
to the front again without ever seeing that IE was running.
If, OTOH, you were the only user and IE had not already been running in the
background when you walked up, double-clicking would've caused the application
to launch visibly, just as you're used to in Windows.
> And Macs are easier to use?
>
> Somebody `splain it to me!
Well, all the 'splain-ation above may *seem* complicated, but so would a
similar explanation of similar aspects of the Windows interface. The basic
fact is that the two interfaces have differences; anyone walking up to one
cold after being primarily familiar with the other is going to trip over
something or other. That's a product of difference, and not indicative that
either is inherently easier than the other. Is the Mac OS easier than Windows?
I couldn't really say with any authority, since I'm using out-of-date versions
of both (OS 8.0 at home and NT4 at work), and using them is such different
ways that I can't really make a fair comparison of productivity. Certainly the
original Mac OS was *hugely* easier to use than DOS, which was its
contemporary, and I believe the Mac OS stayed generally ahead of Windows (in
terms of ease-of-use) through at least Win3.X. To the extent that the two are
arguably comparable these days, it's because successive versions of Windows
have consistently emulated the best features of the Mac OS (and vice versa,
BTW, though to a lesser extent). By now, I suppose it's just a matter of what
you're more comfortable with. *I*, personally, am still more comfortable on a
Mac, but that's not surprising, since I've been a Mac user since the first
version of the OS.
I actually mentioned iMacs originally in this thread not based on the notion
that the OS/interface is easier -- after all, the desire was primarily for an
internet bellybutton, and the *browser* interfaces are pretty much the same on
all platforms -- but because the *hardware* is so easy: Plug in the power
cord, plug in the phone line, run the internet setup app, follow the onscreen
instructions, and you're on the Web. I *know* it's not that easy with a Wintel
box (because I've done it for my daughter's best friend's mom). Heck, it's
easier than setting up a new VCR; not much harder than plugging in a toaster.
Based on that, rather than any claim of OS superiority, I still think an iMac
is a good choice for a casual user who mostly wants to surf the Web and send
e-mail. As always, YMMV. ;^)
-JovBill
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Article 18320
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 04:43:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ayup.... that work for broadband too?
>all platforms -- but because the *hardware* is so easy: Plug in the power
>cord, plug in the phone line, run the internet setup app, follow the onscreen
>instructions, and you're on the Web. I *know* it's not that easy with a Wintel
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18321
From: Bill Dauphin <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 01:22:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bob Lawson wrote:
> Ayup.... that work for broadband too?
Hmmm... neither cable-based nor DSL broadband is available in my area... and I
have too many tall trees for a good look at a satellite... and my wife won't let
me buy an iMac anyway (something about needing the money for a new kitchen
floor... go figure <g>)... so I can't really give you a knowledgeable answer. As a
SWAG, though, I suspect whatever over-and-above hassle there is with broadband is
probably about the same for all platforms. I don't know what the iMac has in the
way of internal slots, but our hypthetical tyro probably doesn't want to open the
case and muck about with cards anyway, so being "forced" to use an external modem
is probably not a Bad Thing. Are Uncle Bob and Aunt Martha likely to go for
broadband right out of the box anyway?
-JovBill
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Article 18322
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 06:24:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
When it costs $30 a month or less, and they see all the ads showing it
off on TV, quite possibly.
This is not now; at least, not here. However, it may be the case soon
enough that I would want to consider it when buying a PC, as opposed
to thinking of it as being off on the horizon.
>is probably not a Bad Thing. Are Uncle Bob and Aunt Martha likely to go for
>broadband right out of the box anyway?
>
>-JovBill
>
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18323
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:09:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Yeah. Finally Back!!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Welcome back, Greg! And give my best to Beth. Looking forward to
>seeing you guys again in June.
That'd be great, the kids going to camp again? Hopefully Chuck will
tag along this time.
Fader
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Article 18324
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:15:44 GMT
Subject: Re: Free Agent Q?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>version 1.21
>
>Get it from http://www.forteinc.com/getfa/download.htm
>
Thanx, JT. Last time I was at their site, they no longer were doing
Free Agent. Think I have 1.1 or at least the exe says fa1111...
Good to be back, how's things in your neck of the woods? Tell
Christine we said hello.(Daniel too)
Fader
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Article 18325
From: Anthony Alford" <anthony_alford@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:37:39 -0500
Subject: Re: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I haven't used RPN in more than 5 years (ever since a free-lance agrarian
reformer decided to share the wealth by heisting my 48SX), but "normal"
calculators _still_ don't feel as good. How I miss it! I haven't replaced
it, because I don't really do a lot of calculation anymore, but it was a
godsend back in the days of my EE undergraduate courses.
I especially loved the "last args" feature of the 48. It made it really
easy to calculate parallel resistances:
r1, r2, *, "last args", +, /
"Bob Lawson" <bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com> wrote in message
news:3a61165a.1027151@news.sff.net...
> This is, well, off-topic I am afraid. However, I am feeling very
> persecuted in that no one I know appreciates the beauty of Reverse
> Polish Notation. I was wondering if there was, perhaps, anyone in this
> group who prefers it to typical algebraic mode?
> Thanks.
> Oh BTW This came to mind because I got a(n?) HP 49G for my birthday to
> take the place of the venerable but dated 48S (mine was about 8 years
> old). It supports both modes, and I still stand by my conclusion that
> RPN is faster and not as difficult as some make it seem.
> Hmm.. there must be some way to make this on-topic..
> Ah yes, on a related note, I've been thinking that Max Jones wouldn't
> have looked nearly as smart if he'd had a HP 49G. (hey hey, it's on
> topic now!)
>
> Bob
> bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
> www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18326
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:42:26 -0500
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Funny you should mention that because in fact that was what I was trying to
do. I'm responsible for backing the thing up to tape once a week. And it's
backup agent got hung so I wanted to restart it. The user wasn't around so I
figured I'd just do a quick restart. For the LIFE of me I couldn't find a
shutdown command. It took awhile anyway. I think I found it eventually under
the "apple"? I'm not sure. Either that or I just hit the reset button.
Somehow I got that thing to restart. :-)
"Bill Dauphin" <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3A638564.ACD91198@ix.netcom.com...
>
>
> Robert Larson wrote:
>
> > I tried to use [a Mac] once but I
> > couldn't find the Start button so I gave up.
>
> Hmmm... not being able find the "Start" button doesn't mean you can't use
it;
> it only means you can't shut it down. After all, that's what the "Start"
button
> does in Windows, right? <GD&RLH>
>
> -JovBill
>
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Article 18327
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:46:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I had a similar experience. With the Mac user sitting infront of the thing
he asks me, Mr. Network Administrator, how to browse the network. Like I
should know on a Mac? I told him to look for Network Neighborhood. That
didn't help. We eventually hooked up with a more experienced user who said
we needed to use the "chooser". So we're looking for that and we're clueless
of course.. He eventually comes over and click on this Apple icon hiding in
a corner and then eventually we browse our way out to the network. It was
mucho trouble. I suppose, in truth, it's just "different". But man, why
these people insist on stumbling around in an OS that no one can support I
just don't know. This guy actually keeps a PC on his desk too. I asked him
once what that was for. He says, "Oh, that's for doing work-stuff like
reading emails or writing a Word doc..." Oh... silly stuff like that.
Apparantly the Mac is just for development work.
"William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3a63fa0a.0@207.55.146.44...
>
> "Bill Dauphin" <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote
> > Robert Larson wrote:
> >
> > > I tried to use [a Mac] once but I
> > > couldn't find the Start button so I gave up.
> >
> > Hmmm... not being able find the "Start" button doesn't mean you can't
use
> it;
> > it only means you can't shut it down. After all, that's what the "Start"
> button
> > does in Windows, right? <GD&RLH>
> >
>
> At Chicon 2000, last year's WorldCon, the internet lounge was all i-Mac. I
> sat down at one, clicked on the Internet Explorer icon, and nothing
> happened. So I clicked on it again. Nothing happened. So:
> (To the guy next to me) "Hey, how do you fire up IE on this thing?"
> "Oh, you have to use the Chooser"
> Thinking he was referring to the mouse, I said "Yes, I clicked on it.
> Nothing happened"
> "No, go up to that little drop down box in the corner."
>
> And sure enough, there were three instances of IE running. I clicked on
it,
> and up it came.
> I'm sorry, Mac-ers, but I really expected clicking on a probram to
actually
> start that program in a window where I could see it! But no, it was start
> program, then select it from another, unmarked little box in the corner.
>
> And Macs are easier to use?
>
> Somebody `splain it to me!
>
> <g>
>
>
> --
> WJaKe
>
> http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
>
>
>
>
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Article 18328
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 14:56:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I read a report recently, InfoWorld I think, that said cablemodems have
surpassed all other media in terms of adoption rate. Faster than radio, tv,
Internet, etc. Apparantly folks are hungering for these things.
I've gotta say my cable modem install was fairly painless. It's a wash in
terms of cost: $40 for cablemodem vs. $20 for ISP plus $20 for 2nd phone
line. And it's about, oh, a zillion times faster and is always-on. I
couldn't imagine not having one of these things.
And, to go totally off-topic. (Was there a topic here?) I just installed a
LinkSys router/firewall doo-dad so I could share my single-IP cablemodem
with the rest of the home network. Now _that_ was the single-most plug and
play wonderfully easy install I've ever done. 60 seconds from opening the
box I had 4 computers up on the Internet, that had previously had no
Internet access. It was very cool.
Techgoop for anyone that cares: LinkSys BEFSR11 1-Port Etherfast Cable/DSL
Router. It's a DHCP server and a router and a firewall. the "BEFSR41" model
is also a 4 port FastEthernet switch. I already had a hub so I skipped that
bit. The thing is Perfect for home networks. And it's cheap. And here's a
link to it:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004TRD9/o/qid=979761352/sr=8-2/ref
=aps_sr_ce_1_2/107-7251994-6408555
I don't often plug hardware, but this thing is really excellent.
"Bob Lawson" <bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com> wrote in message
news:3a653a2b.7100369@news.sff.net...
> When it costs $30 a month or less, and they see all the ads showing it
> off on TV, quite possibly.
> This is not now; at least, not here. However, it may be the case soon
> enough that I would want to consider it when buying a PC, as opposed
> to thinking of it as being off on the horizon.
> >is probably not a Bad Thing. Are Uncle Bob and Aunt Martha likely to go
for
> >broadband right out of the box anyway?
> >
> >-JovBill
> >
>
> Bob
> bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
> www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18329
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:05:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Earth Light
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Tres cool.
Biggest surprises for me: seeing just how much nothing there is in Canada. I
knew no one really lived there but to see how much nothing is there was
surprising. And, the hotspot in SE Africa. What IS that? I'm going to have
to look at a geo-pol map now. I didn't think Africa had any population like
that.
Very educational. Thanks.
"SpaceCadet" <cdozo@hotmail.com_delete_this> wrote in message
news:3A650B23.CB0A237F@hotmail.com_delete_this...
> Hey All,
>
> If you don't mind loading a kind of large image, check out
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
>
> It's well worth it.
>
> Carol
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Article 18330
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 15:10:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Earth Light
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Pretoria? That's Pretoria? What's it doing being as bright as Paris or
Madrid? Is that right?
"Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> wrote in message
news:3a65fb4d.1@207.55.146.44...
> Tres cool.
>
> Biggest surprises for me: seeing just how much nothing there is in Canada.
I
> knew no one really lived there but to see how much nothing is there was
> surprising. And, the hotspot in SE Africa. What IS that? I'm going to have
> to look at a geo-pol map now. I didn't think Africa had any population
like
> that.
>
> Very educational. Thanks.
>
> "SpaceCadet" <cdozo@hotmail.com_delete_this> wrote in message
> news:3A650B23.CB0A237F@hotmail.com_delete_this...
> > Hey All,
> >
> > If you don't mind loading a kind of large image, check out
> > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
> >
> > It's well worth it.
> >
> > Carol
>
>
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Article 18331
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 22:55:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Earth Light
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Carol:
What an image! Does anyone think that the E - W line of
lights crossing most of the former Soviet Union follow the
Trans-Siberian railroad?
Just a guess.
Ed J
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:01:55 -0600, SpaceCadet
<cdozo@hotmail.com_delete_this> wrote:
>Hey All,
>
>If you don't mind loading a kind of large image, check out
>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
>
>It's well worth it.
>
>Carol
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Article 18332
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:00:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Free Agent Q?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Fader: If their site no longer has the 1.21 version let me know and
I will send it to you. FA32-121.EXE dated 12-19-99 is what I am
using.
Ed J
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 08:15:44 GMT, fader555@aol.com (Fader) wrote:
>>version 1.21
>>
>>Get it from http://www.forteinc.com/getfa/download.htm
>>
>Thanx, JT. Last time I was at their site, they no longer were doing
>Free Agent. Think I have 1.1 or at least the exe says fa1111...
>
>Good to be back, how's things in your neck of the woods? Tell
>Christine we said hello.(Daniel too)
>
>Fader
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Article 18333
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 00:02:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Earth Light
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:01:55 -0600, SpaceCadet
<cdozo@hotmail.com_delete_this> wrote:
>Hey All,
>
>If you don't mind loading a kind of large image, check out
>http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
>
>It's well worth it.
>
>Carol
Thanks for posting that...what a cool thing...my internet friends show
me a space picture that loads fast on my broadband connection. <G>
JT
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Article 18334
From: Margaret Albrecht" <mealbr@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 23:00:00 -0600
Subject: Re: Earth Light
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
SpaceCadet <cdozo@hotmail.com_delete_this> wrote in message
> It's well worth it.
> Carol
Wow! That was something. All those bright spots in the ocean... I didn't
realize there were so many populated islands. I was also surprised by the
United States. I've driven through Nebraska, Wyoming, South Dakota, Utah,
etc. I thought all those states were deserted, but they look highly
populated compared to most of Canada.
Margaret
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Article 18335
From: debrule@jps.net (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 05:55:31 GMT
Subject: Re: Earth Light
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Pretoria? That's Pretoria? What's it doing being as bright as Paris or
>Madrid? Is that right?
I was surprised Africa was as dark as it was in so many very heavily
populated areas. Other than places like the Sahara and...oh, what's
that southern desert? Serengeti, I think, Africa is pretty crowded, I
thought.
Neat seeing Russia lit mainly by transportation routes.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.sff.net/people/Deb
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Article 18336
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:27:16 -0500
Subject: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
For those of you who have cable/satellite, I usrge you to check out The
Learning Channel program "Junkyard Wars". Yes, I know it's another British
import, but they are producing new shows here in the colonies. Tonight I'm
watching the semi-finals. Next week, the finalists will compete to build:
A Rocket.
Talk about must-see-TV!
I heartily recommend this show.
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18337
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 10:03:12 GMT
Subject: Re: Free Agent Q?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Fader: If their site no longer has the 1.21 version let me know and
>I will send it to you. FA32-121.EXE dated 12-19-99 is what I am
>using.
>
Thanx, Ed. Managed to DL it, don't know where it was a couple months
ago. It said that they were no longer supporting/offering FA, & there
wasn't a link I could find.
Fader
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Article 18338
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 13:03:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Earth Light
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Margaret Albrecht wrote:I thought all those states were deserted, but they look
highly
> populated compared to most of Canada.
> Margaret
Naah...we just like to sit in the dark :-)
Jane ( in Ontario)
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Article 18339
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:19:55 -0500
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I was up til 2am last night watching the hover craft contest. Amazing show.
Very cool.
"William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3a66a832.0@207.55.146.44...
> For those of you who have cable/satellite, I usrge you to check out The
> Learning Channel program "Junkyard Wars". Yes, I know it's another British
> import, but they are producing new shows here in the colonies. Tonight I'm
> watching the semi-finals. Next week, the finalists will compete to build:
>
> A Rocket.
>
> Talk about must-see-TV!
>
> I heartily recommend this show.
>
> --
> WJaKe
>
> http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
>
>
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Article 18340
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:22:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Earth Light
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Crowded yes. Have electricity yet? No.
I was a bit surprised to see how dark Russia was too. I guess there's a
whole lot of nothing going on in most of the former USSR.
I thought the area where the Alps are was eerily dark too. Makes sense. But
it was cool to see how large an area is "unused". Notice the distinct
absence of light in Antarctica too. There's a continent down there but you'd
never know if from this pic. Too cool.
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@jps.net> wrote in message
news:3a668463.233554@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>
> >Pretoria? That's Pretoria? What's it doing being as bright as Paris or
> >Madrid? Is that right?
>
> I was surprised Africa was as dark as it was in so many very heavily
> populated areas. Other than places like the Sahara and...oh, what's
> that southern desert? Serengeti, I think, Africa is pretty crowded, I
> thought.
>
> Neat seeing Russia lit mainly by transportation routes.
>
>
> Deb (D.A. Houdek)
> http://www.sff.net/people/Deb
>
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Article 18341
From: Robert Larson" <robertl30@near.hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:46:04 -0500
Subject: RAH Collectors? Orphans Question...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
So I'm working on collecting the complete works of RAH. I just received a
copy of Orphans of the Sky that I won on Ebay. I go by what's in Grumbles as
gospel for learning what the first editions are. Grumbles lists Universe and
Common Sense as being collected into Orphans in 1963. Publisher: Ace Books.
But I'm looking at this copy and all indications are that this is the first.
But the publisher is Putnam. Can anyone splain this to me? Could Ms.
Heinlein have made an error in the Bibiliography? It seems unlikely. Are Ace
and Putnam perhaps synonymous somehow?
Any advice appreciated. TIA.
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Article 18342
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:26:16 -0500
Subject: Re: RAH Collectors? Orphans Question...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Robert Larson wrote:
> So I'm working on collecting the complete works of RAH. I just received a
> copy of Orphans of the Sky that I won on Ebay. I go by what's in Grumbles as
> gospel for learning what the first editions are. Grumbles lists Universe and
> Common Sense as being collected into Orphans in 1963. Publisher: Ace Books.
>
> But I'm looking at this copy and all indications are that this is the first.
> But the publisher is Putnam. Can anyone splain this to me? Could Ms.
> Heinlein have made an error in the Bibiliography? It seems unlikely. Are Ace
> and Putnam perhaps synonymous somehow?
>
> Any advice appreciated. TIA.
RAH:ARC says that Putnams picked up the American rights to the book ( rather
than the two stories) right after the UK publication by Gollancz in 1963.
Heinlein had rewritten here and there to merge the two stories into one book.
I have a UK paperback and it says in the front cover that the two stories,
Universe and Common Sense first appeared in 1941 ASF. It then goes on to say (
and this is a bit puzzling) that Universe was republished in a Dell edition in
1951; not sure if changes were made then, or why Common Sense was left out.
So, when you say you're collecting them, do you mean first editions only <drool,
drool>?
Jane
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Article 18343
From: Madge Van Ness <madgevn@angelfire.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:17:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Earth Light
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
That is a way cool pic -- it's wonderful for rohrsach (sp?) -- I keep
seeing Spain as the head of a mutated dragon!
MadgEdith
SpaceCadet wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> If you don't mind loading a kind of large image, check out
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg
>
> It's well worth it.
>
> Carol
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Article 18344
From: Madge Van Ness <madgevn@angelfire.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:18:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
WJaKe, I agree! The men in my house find it fascinating -- and I find it
entertaining if I have nothing else to do.
MadgEdith
"William J. Keaton" wrote:
> For those of you who have cable/satellite, I usrge you to check out The
> Learning Channel program "Junkyard Wars". Yes, I know it's another British
> import, but they are producing new shows here in the colonies. Tonight I'm
> watching the semi-finals. Next week, the finalists will compete to build:
>
> A Rocket.
>
> Talk about must-see-TV!
>
> I heartily recommend this show.
>
> --
> WJaKe
>
> http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18345
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:28:55 -0500
Subject: Re: RAH Collectors? Orphans Question...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Yes I'm collecting all the 1sts. I have Number forward complete (that's
easy) and most of the Scribner's Juveniles. I've got bids out right now for
Man Who Sold the Moon. That's a big ticket item for me. It will be awhile
before I can afford TMIAHM or Stranger.
The Dell book you mention is going on Ebay right now. He released Universe
to Dell as book #46 (I'm recalling that... so don't hold me to it) of the
Dell 10 Cent book series. Apparantly it was a line of dimestore type pulp
paperbacks. The cover looks nearly identical to the ASF cover that housed
Universe (mutie at the controls - ray guns waving).
I'm also collecting the RAH pulps. I'm framing the cool covers. I've got
Lazarus in his Kilt above my desk now on. Great conversation piece.
"ddavitt" <ddavitt@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:3A68CD18.FAF757F6@netcom.ca...
> Robert Larson wrote:
>
> > So I'm working on collecting the complete works of RAH. I just received
a
> > copy of Orphans of the Sky that I won on Ebay. I go by what's in
Grumbles as
> > gospel for learning what the first editions are. Grumbles lists Universe
and
> > Common Sense as being collected into Orphans in 1963. Publisher: Ace
Books.
> >
> > But I'm looking at this copy and all indications are that this is the
first.
> > But the publisher is Putnam. Can anyone splain this to me? Could Ms.
> > Heinlein have made an error in the Bibiliography? It seems unlikely. Are
Ace
> > and Putnam perhaps synonymous somehow?
> >
> > Any advice appreciated. TIA.
>
> RAH:ARC says that Putnams picked up the American rights to the book (
rather
> than the two stories) right after the UK publication by Gollancz in 1963.
> Heinlein had rewritten here and there to merge the two stories into one
book.
> I have a UK paperback and it says in the front cover that the two stories,
> Universe and Common Sense first appeared in 1941 ASF. It then goes on to
say (
> and this is a bit puzzling) that Universe was republished in a Dell
edition in
> 1951; not sure if changes were made then, or why Common Sense was left
out.
> So, when you say you're collecting them, do you mean first editions only
<drool,
> drool>?
>
> Jane
>
>
>
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Article 18346
From: Michael S. Keller, N5RDV" <green@null.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 08:31:12 -0600
Subject: Re: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bob Lawson wrote:
>
> This is, well, off-topic I am afraid. However, I am feeling very
> persecuted in that no one I know appreciates the beauty of Reverse
> Polish Notation. I was wondering if there was, perhaps, anyone in this
> group who prefers it to typical algebraic mode?
Ever since the HP-11C in high school, I have preferred RPN. I've also
had a 48SX and a 48GX, but didn't use them enough to justify keeping
them. I now have an RPN calculator called Kalk on my Palm IIIx.
--
-Michael S. Keller, ICQ 1007068
http://www.hai.org, http://www.barefooters.org
http://www.dhamma.org, http://www.debian.org
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Article 18347
From: robertaw@halcyon.com (Robert A. Woodward)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 09:00:12 -0800
Subject: Re: RAH Collectors? Orphans Question...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a68b633.0@207.55.146.44>, "Robert Larson"
<robertl30@near.hotmail.com> wrote:
> So I'm working on collecting the complete works of RAH. I just received a
> copy of Orphans of the Sky that I won on Ebay. I go by what's in Grumbles as
> gospel for learning what the first editions are. Grumbles lists Universe and
> Common Sense as being collected into Orphans in 1963. Publisher: Ace Books.
>
From Donald Tuck's _Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy_ (1974):
Gollanz, 1963, 160pp, 13/6 (13 shillings, 6 pence?); Putnam, 1964, 187pp,
$3.50; Signet:D2618, 1965, 128pp, .50 (this is the first USA paperback)
There were also two Book club editions (both UK and USA).
> But I'm looking at this copy and all indications are that this is the first.
> But the publisher is Putnam. Can anyone splain this to me? Could Ms.
> Heinlein have made an error in the Bibiliography? It seems unlikely. Are Ace
> and Putnam perhaps synonymous somehow?
IIRC, they are now owned by the same corporation. But that wasn't true
before 1980 or so.
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Article 18348
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:07:47 -0500
Subject: It is done!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The Clinton Reign of Terror is Over!
Let the Bush Reign of Terror Resume!
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18349
From: Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 15:40:54 -0500
Subject: Re: It is done!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a69d335.0@207.55.146.44>, William J. Keaton writes...
> The Clinton Reign of Terror is Over!
>
> Let the Bush Reign of Terror Resume!
America, stay out the Bushes!!
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 18350
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:14:37 GMT
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jake: I haven't seen 'junkyard wars' yet. Have you seen the Battle
`Bots show on the Comedy channel? I think it is one of the best
shows ever. Radio controlled (ground hugging) robots battle it
out in a plexiglas (? Lexan) 'cage'. The floor of the arena has
'kill saws' and 'flip plates' and the perimeter is rimmed with
spikes. One corner has a rather large articulated sledge hammer to
pound the unlucky who venture too close (or are driven there by a
stronger opponent).
Ed J
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 03:27:16 -0500, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
>For those of you who have cable/satellite, I usrge you to check out The
>Learning Channel program "Junkyard Wars". Yes, I know it's another British
>import, but they are producing new shows here in the colonies. Tonight I'm
>watching the semi-finals. Next week, the finalists will compete to build:
>
>A Rocket.
>
>Talk about must-see-TV!
>
>I heartily recommend this show.
>
>--
>WJaKe
>
>http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
>
>
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Article 18351
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:16:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Robert: Was the hover craft show on the 'Junkyard Wars' show or so
other program? I'd love to see more money for development go into
hovercraft.
Ed J
On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 15:19:55 -0500, "Robert Larson"
<Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> wrote:
>I was up til 2am last night watching the hover craft contest. Amazing show.
>Very cool.
>
>"William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>news:3a66a832.0@207.55.146.44...
>> For those of you who have cable/satellite, I usrge you to check out The
>> Learning Channel program "Junkyard Wars". Yes, I know it's another British
>> import, but they are producing new shows here in the colonies. Tonight I'm
>> watching the semi-finals. Next week, the finalists will compete to build:
>>
>> A Rocket.
>>
>> Talk about must-see-TV!
>>
>> I heartily recommend this show.
>>
>> --
>> WJaKe
>>
>> http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
>>
>>
>
>
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Article 18352
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 21:22:48 GMT
Subject: Re: It is done!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jake: I voted for Browne (again) and what did it get me? He
doesn't even get honorable mention in the Liberal press, I have only
heard Buchanan named as The 'third party' candidate.
Ed J (sour grapes <g>)
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 13:07:47 -0500, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
>The Clinton Reign of Terror is Over!
>
>Let the Bush Reign of Terror Resume!
>
>--
>WJaKe
>
>http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
>
>
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Article 18353
From: Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:57:27 -0500
Subject: Re: It is done!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a6a00dc.5592114@news.sff.net>, Ed Johnson writes...
> Jake: I voted for Browne (again) and what did it get me?
"They told me that if I voted for Barry Goldwater, it would escalate the
war in Vietnam. So I did... and it did!"
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 18354
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:26:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@home.spamthis.com> wrote in message
news:3a69fe42.4925513@news.sff.net...
> Jake: I haven't seen 'junkyard wars' yet. Have you seen the Battle
> `Bots show on the Comedy channel?
Ahh, yes. The world-wide leader in robotic sports!
Yep. Battle Bots is pretty good. TLC is going to have a new show where the
object is to build robots that have to complete an obstacle course, etc.
Junkyard Wars is way better!
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18355
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 19:28:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@home.spamthis.com> wrote in message
news:3a69ffdb.5334686@news.sff.net...
> Robert: Was the hover craft show on the 'Junkyard Wars' show or so
> other program? I'd love to see more money for development go into
> hovercraft.
>
One of the semi-final rounds involved building a hovercraft. One of them was
built out of styrofoam! (I'm sure the show will be in re-runs this summer,
so I don't want to spoil any more endings.
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18356
From: David M. Silver" <agplusone@loop.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:09:22 -0800
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Robert Larson wrote:
> [snip]
>
> And hey... we do actually have 2 Mac's here still in production use (for
> testing and some dev-work). I think they are called G4s or Gx4s. Something
> like that. They're not as cool as the IMacs, but the cases are still much
> cooler than the PCs, I'll give you that. I tried to use one once but I
> couldn't find the Start button so I gave up.
>
I trust you remembered to plug it in before you started looking for the start
button? ;)
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Article 18357
From: David M. Silver" <agplusone@loop.com>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 17:24:00 -0800
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"William J. Keaton" wrote:
> [snip]
>
> And sure enough, there were three instances of IE running. I clicked on it,
> and up it came.
I dunno about three, Jake. About the only way you could do that is if there
were three separate versions of Internet Exploader installed in the machine.
Weird but not incredible thing to do. Are you saying you had three separate
icons of IE showing loaded in the pulldown Finder?
>
> I'm sorry, Mac-ers, but I really expected clicking on a probram to actually
> start that program in a window where I could see it!
It usually works that way unless someone else, as Bill Dauphin points out,
left it running and closed the window on the desktop.
> But no, it was start
> program, then select it from another, unmarked little box in the corner.
>
You didn't start the program, unless you truly found another IE on the drive
that wasn't an alias. You do check to see what program is active in Windows
before you start clicking things, don't you? That is what the Finder is for.
There's several other ways to do it, but let's leave it with that statement.
>
> And Macs are easier to use?
>
> Somebody `splain it to me!
>
> <g>
>
RTFM! Or at least ask someone who you know knows. You might even find out how
to turn it on. <veg>
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Article 18358
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2001 23:22:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"David M. Silver" <agplusone@loop.com> wrote
> "William J. Keaton" wrote:
>
> > [snip]
> >
> > And sure enough, there were three instances of IE running. I clicked on
it,
> > and up it came.
>
> Are you saying you had three separate
> icons of IE showing loaded in the pulldown Finder?
Yep. Finder, Chooser, whatever that drop-down menu is called.
>
> You didn't start the program, unless you truly found another IE on the
drive
> that wasn't an alias. You do check to see what program is active in
Windows
> before you start clicking things, don't you?
Sure, but I can see them all on the task bar, without having to go to any
other drop down boxes and stuff. And I can have three different windows of
IE open. I've got three right now: TVGuide, E-bay and skiaspen.com.
> >
> > And Macs are easier to use?
> >
> > Somebody `splain it to me!
> >
> > <g>
> >
>
> RTFM! Or at least ask someone who you know knows. You might even find out
how
> to turn it on. <veg>
I'm not going to beat the dead dog any further. I just thought my Mac story
was humorous enough to post, no intention of starting a holy war! I made my
decision a few years ago, and have been happy. Besides, according to the
subliminal messages being flashed by IE, it's time to bow my head towards
Redmond.....
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18359
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:36:36 GMT
Subject: New Patrons Recognized on Web Page
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I've posted the 2001 Patrons page on the HF's site. In addition, I've
also updated the Archives to include all of 2000's dump files, exactly
as I have copied them off SFF Net's archive area. It's really not
complete until the next dump, but I'm not going to split hairs for
once. <VBG>
I was thinking about making them one huge text file and doing some
word counts. Unfortunately, I have better things to do. ;)
Thanks to our Patrons, and to SFF Net for providing a quality corner
of the Internet for us!
JT
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Article 18360
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:37:39 GMT
Subject: Re: New Patrons Recognized on Web Page
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:36:36 GMT, JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) wrote:
>I've posted the 2001 Patrons page on the HF's site.
For those of you who may not know, or remember, the HF's site is at:
http://www.sff.net/people/HF/
--JT
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Article 18361
From: Bill Dauphin <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:02:15 -0400
Subject: Re: It is done!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ed Johnson wrote:
> I voted for Browne (again) and what did it get me?
Good question. Before the election, I promised (threatened? <g>) to
share my thoughts on the question of "wasting votes" on third-party
candidates, and on the related notion that the major-party candidates
are so similar that there's no difference between them. The thoughts
haven't gone away, though time seems to have gotten away from me in the
meantime. I'll try to write something within the next week.
> I have only
> heard Buchanan named as The 'third party' candidate.
From whence did you hear this? Buchanan turned out to be irrelevant. The
best polling "third party" candidate, and the only one who had any real
impact on the outcome, was Nader. I hope the Greens are happy with Gail
(Gale?) Norton as Interior Secretary.
-JovBill
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Article 18362
From: Bill Dauphin <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:04:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Madge Van Ness wrote:
> The men in my house find [Junkyard Wars] fascinating...
Specifically the men, eh? Is that because of the guy-guy gadget quotient, or
because of that tasty crumpet of a British cohost, I wonder? <GD&RLH>
-JovBill
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Article 18363
From: Bill Dauphin <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 20:05:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"William J. Keaton" wrote:
> I'm sure the show will be in re-runs this summer...
Oh, I hope so. I've only just discovered the show (didn't get TLC on my old
cable system), and I'd love to see the episodes I've missed. Do let us know if
you hear when it'll be rerun.
-JovBill
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Article 18364
From: David M. Silver" <agplusone@loop.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2001 18:37:59 -0800
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"William J. Keaton" wrote:
> "David M. Silver" <agplusone@loop.com> wrote
> > "William J. Keaton" wrote:
> >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > > And sure enough, there were three instances of IE running. I clicked on
> it,
> > > and up it came.
> >
> > Are you saying you had three separate
> > icons of IE showing loaded in the pulldown Finder?
>
> Yep. Finder, Chooser, whatever that drop-down menu is called.
>
Wow! is the only thing I can say. I presently have two separate versions of IE
in my machine, but only because one is part of the AOL software as the AOL
browser is the old 4.01 IE browser. I've had more than one on other occasions,
but only when I was running a beta, or trying out a new version.
>
> > You didn't start the program, unless you truly found another IE on the
> drive
> > that wasn't an alias. You do check to see what program is active in
> Windows
> > before you start clicking things, don't you?
>
> Sure, but I can see them all on the task bar, without having to go to any
> other drop down boxes and stuff.
You can do the same thing with the finder (in OS 9.1). Simply click the
desktop which returns you to it, then (click and hold) drag and drop the
finder icon onto the desktop and you'll find it'll take the form of a small
window that is titled "Applications" and will come to the front regardless of
whatever application or window you have open and show all the applications you
have active or loaded, which you may click to go from one to the other. I
presently have it there--shoved over to the side, and it shows I am active in
Netscape Communicator, but have also AOL, AOL IM, AppleWorks6, MSWord 2000,
BBeditLite, JPEGView, PictureViewer, and ZipIt loaded, and I can switch by
simply clicking on one of them.
> And I can have three different windows of
> IE open. I've got three right now: TVGuide, E-bay and skiaspen.com.
>
So can I. Actually I have four "windows" from Netscape, one from my system
(the dragged and dropped "Applications"), and one from AOL--a total of six,
open and tiled right now.
>
> > >
> > > And Macs are easier to use?
> > >
> > > Somebody `splain it to me!
> > >
> > > <g>
> > >
> >
> > RTFM! Or at least ask someone who you know knows. You might even find out
> how
> > to turn it on. <veg>
>
> I'm not going to beat the dead dog any further. I just thought my Mac story
> was humorous enough to post, no intention of starting a holy war! I made my
> decision a few years ago, and have been happy. Besides, according to the
> subliminal messages being flashed by IE, it's time to bow my head towards
> Redmond.....
LOLOL! If someone actually had three copies of IE installed and you opened all
three it _was_ funny. Seriously, if you have a question about getting those
G-4s to work, drop me an e mail telling me what model you have and you're
trying to do with them and I'll try my best to help, or get you a qualified
answer. Depending on the iMac you have, you'll find the on button to the right
of the CD slot or, perhaps, the tray. Just push it in and hold it until you
get a response. On the newer ones you can use it to boot out of a freeze or
crash. No Holy Wars here.
David
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Article 18365
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:52:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>RTFM! Or at least ask someone who you know knows. You might even find out how
>to turn it on. <veg>
*ahem* a Mac user saying RTFM? Is something wrong? I was under the
impression that Macintoshes were supposed to be operable using pure
intuition... after all, only a slave to wintel would *gasp* read a
manual!
A poster, such as that for the iMac, is not a manual.
and if one is going to read a manual anyway, he may as well learn
microcode and make his own OS!
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18366
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2001 08:56:25 GMT
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>were three separate versions of Internet Exploader installed in the machine.
>Weird but not incredible thing to do.
Not terribly IMHO, I have IE 2,3,4 and Netscape 3,4,and 6 just
because: 1, some things render better in different browsers and 2: I
want to know what my site will look like to people using them. (Though
I do freely admit that probably only one in a thousand people (or
close to as few) use IE 2 anymore, that wretched example of a browser)
Actually, I've been dabbling with Opera lately. I'm quite pleased, so
far.
Bob
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18367
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:41:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
> RTFM! Or at least ask someone who you know knows. You might even find out
how
> to turn it on. <veg>
RTFM? Do Mac's even have Ms? I thought they were supposed to be easy. I
never read a manual for a Windows system.
That's it for me, btw. You can go have the last word. /endholywar
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Article 18368
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:44:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
> Robert: Was the hover craft show on the 'Junkyard Wars' show or so
> other program? I'd love to see more money for development go into
> hovercraft.
Yup. Hovercraft on JW. It was on late late. I stayed with it til they got
one up in the hair hovering. They promo'd the final competition, went to
commercial, and then I opened my eyes again and it was like 5 in the
morning. Man my couch is comfy!
So, I never did see if they ever really "flew" like real hovercraft. But the
initial test was impressive.
This one guy made a hand-hewn propeller out of a 4x4. Carved it right on TV
with a chainsaw. Amazing.
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Article 18369
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:46:45 -0500
Subject: Re: RAH Collectors? Orphans Question...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Thanks. Gollanz is british then? What's up with 1st ed being non-US?
"Robert A. Woodward" <robertaw@halcyon.com> wrote in message
news:robertaw-2001010900130001@blv-tnt0-1-ip86.nwnexus.net...
> In article <3a68b633.0@207.55.146.44>, "Robert Larson"
> <robertl30@near.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So I'm working on collecting the complete works of RAH. I just received
a
> > copy of Orphans of the Sky that I won on Ebay. I go by what's in
Grumbles as
> > gospel for learning what the first editions are. Grumbles lists Universe
and
> > Common Sense as being collected into Orphans in 1963. Publisher: Ace
Books.
> >
>
> From Donald Tuck's _Encyclopedia of Science Fiction and Fantasy_ (1974):
>
> Gollanz, 1963, 160pp, 13/6 (13 shillings, 6 pence?); Putnam, 1964, 187pp,
> $3.50; Signet:D2618, 1965, 128pp, .50 (this is the first USA paperback)
>
> There were also two Book club editions (both UK and USA).
>
> > But I'm looking at this copy and all indications are that this is the
first.
> > But the publisher is Putnam. Can anyone splain this to me? Could Ms.
> > Heinlein have made an error in the Bibiliography? It seems unlikely. Are
Ace
> > and Putnam perhaps synonymous somehow?
>
> IIRC, they are now owned by the same corporation. But that wasn't true
> before 1980 or so.
>
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Article 18370
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:50:56 -0500
Subject: Re: It is done!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
> Jake: I voted for Browne (again) and what did it get me? He
Well they said a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush. Would the same be true
for Browne?
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Article 18371
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:55:18 -0500
Subject: Re: New Patrons Recognized on Web Page
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I just tried visiting this site but started getting a bit of motion sickness
from the background. Had to click away. Any chance you'll consider toning
that bad boy down a bit. Wow. Consider "white". White is nice. Maybe a
speckled grey. Grey is nice. This 3d teal/white thing is a little
distracting. Of course: imo. Anyone else?
"JT" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote in message
news:3a6b1e2f.440995227@news.sff.net...
> On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 17:36:36 GMT, JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) wrote:
>
> >I've posted the 2001 Patrons page on the HF's site.
>
> For those of you who may not know, or remember, the HF's site is at:
> http://www.sff.net/people/HF/
>
> --JT
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Article 18372
From: David M. Silver" <agplusone@loop.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:22:58 -0800
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bob Lawson wrote:
> >RTFM! Or at least ask someone who you know knows. You might even find out how
> >to turn it on. <veg>
> *ahem* a Mac user saying RTFM? Is something wrong?
There are Mac users and then there are Mac users. Most of the ones who don't RTFM
wind up asking the rest of us to help them out occasionally.
[snip]
> A poster, such as that for the iMac, is not a manual.
I agree that Apple doesn't produce a very good manual. (The other extreme were
the IBM manuals I owned more than twenty years ago when I purchased my first
office 'computer' a dedicated word processor called the Displaywriter. They
filled a couple of book shelves with three inch thick binders.) Apple (the
Windoze influence, perhaps) expects you to use the "Help" which is part of its
operating system. What they do produce on paper, however, does at least tell you
how to turn the thing on and properly to turn it off--and a few other basic
things. Moreover, there are people like David Pogue and Bob LeVitus who make a
decent living supplementing that lack. I own several of the 'manuals' they and
others have written and subscribe to a magazine or two that helps. Of course, I'm
said to be the obsessive-compulsive type. There are also Mac user groups as we
all should know. And other on-line sources. One such that any Macintosh user
should know is www.macaddict.com which lists a number of links to yet other sites
that can help in various areas. Just as I have read many times on this newsgroup,
people at these sites help when asked questions; but "how do you turn it on? or
off? will sometimes inspire the RTFM answer I initially gave.
> and if one is going to read a manual anyway, he may as well learn
> microcode and make his own OS!
LOL. Had I but time enough. Or create his own computer from basic elements in his
garage. :)
I agree, btw, that there are legitimate purposes to have several different
versions of a browswer installed. For one thing, the earlier ones, IE and
Netscape, suffer less from bloat, and run faster. I still have earlier versions
of CD rom, or even old floppies. Considering the fiasco regarding Netscape 6,
thus far, I'm thinking about trying a third browser as well. However, I also
noted recently in net discussions of the beta OS X that the built in browser
(neither Netscape nor IE) is said to run faster and better than IE's latest.
We'll see, once it comes out. It simply surprises me that someone would have
loaded more than one version or copy of the same browser in the computer made
available for potential buyers at the event described above in this thread. Do
you think it possible that MS had infiltrated via the fellow who insisted that
the 'chooser' be used, and he installed extra copies to confuse potential buyers?
<veg> <twilight zone music, please ... >
Regards,
David
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Article 18373
From: David M. Silver" <agplusone@loop.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 12:29:21 -0800
Subject: Re: RAH Collectors? Orphans Question...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Robert Larson wrote regarding Orphans of the Sky:
> Thanks. Gollanz is british then? What's up with 1st ed being non-US?
Gollanz asked to put it out, first. Previously, the two separate stories
"Universe" and "Common Sense" had been published in the US in pulps. The US
publisher followed Gollanz's lead. Incidentally, there is a new edition of
Orphans in hardbound now available.
The publisher is Stealth Press. It is an authorized edition.
http://www.stealthpress.com
David
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Article 18374
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 16:01:26 -0500
Subject: Re: RAH Collectors? Orphans Question...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Well I'm now the proud owner of the US 1st ed Orphans. That's about 15 down
and what another 30 or 40 to go I guess. I'm in the running now for a 1st of
I Will Fear No Evil. That'll complete my collection going back thru the 70s.
I've also landed a copy of the original pulp (ASF) that has Universe on the
cover. And I'm working on Logic of Empire now. The battle continues...
Just got outbid on Space Cadet by like $2. Damn snipers. :-)
"David M. Silver" <agplusone@loop.com> wrote in message
news:3A6DE9A2.81E33D@loop.com...
> Robert Larson wrote regarding Orphans of the Sky:
>
> > Thanks. Gollanz is british then? What's up with 1st ed being non-US?
>
> Gollanz asked to put it out, first. Previously, the two separate stories
> "Universe" and "Common Sense" had been published in the US in pulps. The
US
> publisher followed Gollanz's lead. Incidentally, there is a new edition of
> Orphans in hardbound now available.
>
> The publisher is Stealth Press. It is an authorized edition.
> http://www.stealthpress.com
>
> David
>
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Article 18375
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:34:12 GMT
Subject: Re: New Patrons Recognized on Web Page
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001 14:55:18 -0500, "Robert Larson"
<Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> wrote:
>I just tried visiting this site but started getting a bit of motion sickness
>from the background. Had to click away. Any chance you'll consider toning
>that bad boy down a bit. Wow. Consider "white". White is nice. Maybe a
>speckled grey. Grey is nice. This 3d teal/white thing is a little
>distracting. Of course: imo. Anyone else?
>
First complaint I've had...and that background is considerably
lightened from the original graphic. ;)
No plans to change it at the moment, since webmastering comes during
stolen moments these days. <G>
JT
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Article 18376
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 23:34:13 GMT
Subject: Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I came upon www.heinleinsociety.com today and was quite surprised.
Apparently this endeavor is sanctioned by Mrs. H., and on paper it
seems like a neat thing. Truth be told, I had talked about doing the
same thing with the HF years ago, and never got around to getting
serious about it. (WJaKe probably remembers the long conversation we
had about it, I think on the way to or from the OR Gathering....)
Anyway, I'm a little leery of the membership fees. Other than
webhosting, I'm not sure what the expenses of the group are/should be.
I notice Bill Patterson and David Silver are a part of the Society's
leaders and that it has sprung from alt.fan.heinlein.
David, can you give us a little more background on where things are at
with the HS?
Pet Peeve...it SHOULD be heinleinsociety.org ;)
JT
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Article 18377
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2001 22:09:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
> I came upon www.heinleinsociety.com today and was quite surprised.
> Apparently this endeavor is sanctioned by Mrs. H., and on paper it
> seems like a neat thing. Truth be told, I had talked about doing the
> same thing with the HF years ago, and never got around to getting
> serious about it. (WJaKe probably remembers the long conversation we
> had about it, I think on the way to or from the OR Gathering....)
>
> Anyway, I'm a little leery of the membership fees. Other than
> webhosting, I'm not sure what the expenses of the group are/should be.
> I notice Bill Patterson and David Silver are a part of the Society's
> leaders and that it has sprung from alt.fan.heinlein.
>
> David, can you give us a little more background on where things are at
> with the HS?
>
> Pet Peeve...it SHOULD be heinleinsociety.org ;)
>
> JT
If you go to the logs of the AIM chats ( why don't any of you people ever
show up? Be great to see you!) then there were two chats about it; 17th
and 19th of August 2000.
http://www.alltel.net/~dwrighsr/heinlein.html
I am now shuffling my feet as I still haven't joined; was about to when
the baby arrived, then David spent my US dollars on a business trip and I
haven't got myself to the bank for a money order, and, and, I'll do it
this week, O.K! :-)
The next chat is about Heinlein's villains btw and David Wright's site has
all the information about how to join in the chats. We have a lot of fun (
well I do anyway).
Jane
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Article 18378
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 06:23:36 GMT
Subject: Re: New Patrons Recognized on Web Page
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>distracting. Of course: imo. Anyone else?
For what it's worth; I didn't find it distracting.
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18379
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:06:28 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
ddavitt wrote:
>
> If you go to the logs of the AIM chats ( why don't any of you people ever
> show up? Be great to see you!)
Jane--
I can tell you why I show up so rarely--it catches me at work. But I
have enjoyed it those times I have shown up.
We used to to an occasional HF chat on Prodigy but that seems to have
dropped by the wayside.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
"Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they
make it easier to do don't need to be done." -- Andy Rooney
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Article 18380
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:09:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Robert Larson wrote:
> I stayed with it til they got one up in the hair hovering.
This may have to go in the classic bloopers file along with "Whoreback
riding in Scotland".
--
<<Big Charlie>>
"Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they
make it easier to do don't need to be done." -- Andy Rooney
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Article 18381
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:34:02 -0500
Subject: Re: New Patrons Recognized on Web Page
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Prolly just me. I was using my wheel to scroll down thru the long home page
and suddenly got this bad case of vertigo. Not sure why. The background
isn't upsetting when it's stationary, just when I was scrolling. Maybe I'm
like those folks that have seizures if the lights flash too fast?
"Bob Lawson" <bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com> wrote in message
news:3a6e74d3.2388256@news.sff.net...
>
> >distracting. Of course: imo. Anyone else?
> For what it's worth; I didn't find it distracting.
> Bob
> bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
> www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18382
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:40:29 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"JT" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote in message
news:3a6e138f.36811051@news.sff.net...
> Anyway, I'm a little leery of the membership fees. Other than
> webhosting, I'm not sure what the expenses of the group are/should be.
> I notice Bill Patterson and David Silver are a part of the Society's
> leaders and that it has sprung from alt.fan.heinlein.
According to their homepage their expenses would be considerable. They're
planning on distributing the works of RAH to school libraries, have blood
drives in the RAH tradition, and build a website. The site will probably be
the least expensive. Distributing books of course would be the most
ambitions. They can take that as far as they can with whatever money they
get. It sounds like a neat plan to me. The world would be a better place if
we could get all the kids to read the Juveniles.
I see they also want to promote his books-to-film. I have no idea what that
would involve but it sounds expensive. Sounds like a great idea too!
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Article 18383
From: Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:42:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3A6E4761.BCC7EC53@netcom.ca>, ddavitt writes...
....
> If you go to the logs of the AIM chats ( why don't any of you people ever
> show up? Be great to see you!)
Well, in my case, it is because I dislike the chat format. One of the
great things about e-mail and newsgroups is that I can participate at my
convenience, and think about and edit my replies before sending
(appearances to the contrary notwithstanding ;-) ). Of these, the first
is the most important, and I can't see any good reason to give it up in
favor of real-time text communication.
I am actually puzzled by the chat phenomenon. The topics of the chats
are often quite good. Why not carry out such discussions in a newsgroup
format?
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 18384
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 16:26:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Gordon G. Sollars" wrote:
> In article <3A6E4761.BCC7EC53@netcom.ca>, ddavitt writes...
> ...
> > If you go to the logs of the AIM chats ( why don't any of you people ever
> > show up? Be great to see you!)
>
> Well, in my case, it is because I dislike the chat format. One of the
> great things about e-mail and newsgroups is that I can participate at my
> convenience, and think about and edit my replies before sending
> (appearances to the contrary notwithstanding ;-) ). Of these, the first
> is the most important, and I can't see any good reason to give it up in
> favor of real-time text communication.
>
> I am actually puzzled by the chat phenomenon. The topics of the chats
> are often quite good. Why not carry out such discussions in a newsgroup
> format?
>
>
We do; before each chat the host has a lead off post on afh, intended to spark
discussion and raise points that the chat can focus on. All the posts are
attached at the start of the log incidentally. The threads that appear often
continue long after the chat has come and gone.
I enjoy framing long, thought out posts but the quick back and forth of the
chat can be a lot of fun. It really does feel like a chat and if you compare
the chat/ng to a conversation/letter then you can see how both have their pros
and cons. You don't have to be there for all of the chat; they last for 2 to 3
hours and a lot of people just pop in for a bit then leave.
Jane
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Article 18385
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 21:52:33 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:40:29 -0500, "Robert Larson"
<Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> wrote:
>According to their homepage their expenses would be considerable. They're
>planning on distributing the works of RAH to school libraries, have blood
>drives in the RAH tradition, and build a website. The site will probably be
>the least expensive. Distributing books of course would be the most
>ambitions. They can take that as far as they can with whatever money they
>get. It sounds like a neat plan to me. The world would be a better place if
>we could get all the kids to read the Juveniles.
>
>I see they also want to promote his books-to-film. I have no idea what that
>would involve but it sounds expensive. Sounds like a great idea too!
>
See, now I'd get the publishers to *donate* copies of his works. Or
possibly work out a deal for an "at-cost" buy, with the money coming
from science & technology firms wanting to seed the next generation of
engineers. <G>
Blood Drives? Hook up with the Red Cross and you're doing legwork,
and they take care of everything else.
I haven't been able to do any reading of the chat transcripts, etc.,
but I question what the up-front money needs are. Seems like
man-hours is really what they need.
BTW, Jane, I don't make the chats because of two reasons: I rarely can
make the time to sit at the PC *at a scheduled time*, and I also am
horrible with recalling details of many of RAH's works and I don't
have the time to reread them.
I do try and read the chat logs occasionally.
JT
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Article 18386
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:01:18 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
>
> BTW, Jane, I don't make the chats because of two reasons: I rarely can
> make the time to sit at the PC *at a scheduled time*, and I also am
> horrible with recalling details of many of RAH's works and I don't
> have the time to reread them.
>
> I do try and read the chat logs occasionally.
>
> JT
It's OK; I'm not nagging :-) Just wanted to make sure you all knew they were
there if you ever felt like a chat. Reading the logs doesn't give the flavour of
them as much as participating in my experience but I can understand that a lot
of people don't enjoy chats.
Jane
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Article 18387
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:04:46 -0500
Subject: Space cadet logic puzzle
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Has anyone here ever worked through this puzzle? I tried years ago
and got a headache but it got mentioned recently so I thought I'd
try again.
Matt gets put in a room with a funny gadget, paper and pencil
and
the following directions
"If any score from a previous test appears in the window marked
SCORE, return the starting lever to the position marked NEUTRAL
to
clear the board for your test.
Matt found the window labelled 'SCORE'; it had a score showing
in it
-'37'. Well, he thought, that gives me a mark to shoot at. He
decided not to clear the board until he had read the
instructions. (
Note from Jane; I would have failed at this point by pulling
that
lever....)
After the test starts a score of '1' will result each time you
press
the lefthand button except as otherwise provided here below.
Press
the lefthand button whenever the red light appears provided the
green light is not lighted as well except that no button should
be
pressed when the righthand gate is open unless all lights are
out.
If the righthand gate is open and the lefthand gate is closed,
no
score will result from pressing any button, but the lefthand
button
must nevertheless be pressed under these circumstances if all
other
conditions permit a button to be pressed before any score may be
made in succeeding phases of the test. To put out the green
light,
press the righthand button. If the lefthand gate is not closed,
no
button may be pressed. If the left hand gate is closed while the
red
light is lighted, do not press the lefthand button if the green
light is out unless the righthand gate is open. To start the
test
move the starting lever from neutral all the way to the right.
The
test runs for two minutes from the time you move the starting
lever
to the right."
Matt lists the 16 combinations of gates, lights and buttons,
checks
them all against these simple instructions <g> and obviously
gets
the correct answer; no score is possible. Even with these clues
I
couldn't be 100% sure in my mind that I had it clear back then
so
let's see.
If we call the lights, green light (GL) and red light (RL), the
gates LG and RG ( left and right but you knew that anyway) and
the
buttons LB and RB, off is X and on is O then the combinations
are;
LG O RG O RL O GL O
LG O RG X RL O GL O
LG X RG X RL O GL O
LG X RG O RL O GL O
LG O RG O RL X GL X
LG O RG X RL X GL X
LG X RG X RL X GL X
LG X RG O RL X GL X
LG O RG O RL X GL O
LG O RG X RL X GL O
LG X RG X RL X GL O
LG X RG O RL X GL O
LG O RG O RL O GL X
LG O RG X RL O GL X
LG X RG X RL O GL X
LG X RG O RL O GL X
The instructions say that if the RG is open and the LG is closed
there is no score, so I think that the last line in each group
of
four can be eliminated.
No button can be pressed if the RG is open and any light is on.
This
eliminates line 1 of group 1, 3 and 4.
If the LG is not closed ( i.e. open) then no button can be
pressed.
This eliminates line 1 and 2 of every group. This just leaves
line 3
in each group, where both gates are closed. the left button can
only
be pressed with a red light ( and a host of other conditions but
you
need a red light. It seems to me that this means we can
eliminate
line three in group 2 and 3. Two more lines to go...you can't
press
the button if both lights are on, so that gets rid of line 3 in
group one left..I'm getting stuck now...I think line 3 of group
4 is
covered by;
" If the lefthand gate is closed while the red light is lighted,
do
not press the lefthand button if the green light is out unless
the
righthand gate is open."
Any thoughts, suggestions, scornful pointing out of obvious
mistakes?
Jane
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Article 18388
From: Bill Dauphin <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 20:03:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
> See, now I'd get the publishers to *donate* copies of his works.
Mailing costs, phone costs, potential travel to meetings, legal/tax services
costs...
> Or
> possibly work out a deal for an "at-cost" buy, with the money coming
> from science & technology firms wanting to seed the next generation of
> engineers. <G>
Ditto all of the above, in spades.
> Blood Drives? Hook up with the Red Cross and you're doing legwork,
> and they take care of everything else.
If you mean literal legwork, we're talking transportation costs, t-shirts and
refreshments for the volunteers, printing costs...
If virtual legwork, you're back to mailing costs, phone costs, etc., as above.
Oh, I know some of those items are optional, but surely anyone who's even
*thinking* about joining the Heinlein Society knows that.... TANSTAAFL! <VBG>
-JovBill
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Article 18389
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 05:10:34 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Society
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>They're
>planning on distributing the works of RAH to school libraries, have blood
>drives in the RAH tradition, and build a website.
I know one school library that hasn't a single RAH book :-(. In over
ten thousand volumes they should have at least a few.
>I see they also want to promote his books-to-film. I have no idea what that
>would involve but it sounds expensive. Sounds like a great idea too!
Hmm.. I'm skeptical on this last point; it so rarely is done right.
Bob
Assistant librarian, Sacramento Adventist Academy (oooh a title!)
or as I call myself, chief logistics engineer (I put books away)
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Article 18390
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 03:35:24 -0500
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
TLC will move Junkyard Wars to Monday at 8PM. From the promos they ran
during tonight's final, it looks like they'll be running the original
British episodes, most of which I have not seen. They are also preparing to
shoot another series this summer. I'll be keeping an eye out for the new
shows, you can count on that.
BTW, the final was spectacular. Massive Carnage!
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18391
From: Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 01:37:00 -0800
Subject: Re: It is done!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ed Johnson wrote in message <3a6a00dc.5592114@news.sff.net>...
|Jake: I voted for Browne (again) and what did it get me? He
|doesn't even get honorable mention in the Liberal press, I have only
|heard Buchanan named as The 'third party' candidate.
|
|Ed J (sour grapes <g>)
|
You, me, and Drew Carey (who admitted to voting Libertarian on "The Rosie
O'Donnell Show" earlier this week.)
--
`rita
Almost live from Finley, Washington
(You definitely get what you pay for with Freeware--one specific library
database in particular. <grrrrrrr>)
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Article 18392
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:15:06 -0500
Subject: Coming soon to an ocean splashdown site near you
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
What goes up must come down. The final Progress supply vehicle was launched
to MIR this week. It's cargo? The fuel needed to de-orbit the 15-year old
space station. No specific date has been set for the burn.
Comments?
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/missions/progress_launch_010123.html?En
ews=y
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18393
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:19:55 -0500
Subject: The ultimate trash can
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
So, you've got the latest in personal computer hardware (G4, P4, Athlon, IBM
mainframe, whatever your poison), you've got a web-surfing phone, a
wireless, stock-trading PDA, DVD, satellite, GPS, wristphone, pocket fax,
beeper watch, etc. ad nauseum.
But do you have your own desktop black hole?
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/desktop_blackhole_010123.htm
l
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18394
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:33:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Caught it again last night as the late show. They were building rocket ships
to launch and safely land ostrich eggs. As usual I fell asleep again so I
don't know how many omlets were created.
I noticed that while the hosts are still British the participants are now
American. Is this set in England still? Or have they moved here?
"William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3a6fe47c.0@news.sff.net...
> TLC will move Junkyard Wars to Monday at 8PM. From the promos they ran
> during tonight's final, it looks like they'll be running the original
> British episodes, most of which I have not seen. They are also preparing
to
> shoot another series this summer. I'll be keeping an eye out for the new
> shows, you can count on that.
>
> BTW, the final was spectacular. Massive Carnage!
>
>
> --
> WJaKe
>
> http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
>
>
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Article 18395
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:39:41 -0500
Subject: Re: Space cadet logic puzzle
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
It must be cool to have so much free time. <gdr>
"ddavitt" <ddavitt@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:3A6F5F8D.1C8E26F0@netcom.ca...
> Has anyone here ever worked through this puzzle? I tried years ago
> and got a headache but it got mentioned recently so I thought I'd
> try again.
>
> Matt gets put in a room with a funny gadget, paper and pencil
> and
> the following directions
>
> "If any score from a previous test appears in the window marked
> SCORE, return the starting lever to the position marked NEUTRAL
> to
> clear the board for your test.
> Matt found the window labelled 'SCORE'; it had a score showing
> in it
> -'37'. Well, he thought, that gives me a mark to shoot at. He
> decided not to clear the board until he had read the
> instructions. (
> Note from Jane; I would have failed at this point by pulling
> that
> lever....)
> After the test starts a score of '1' will result each time you
> press
> the lefthand button except as otherwise provided here below.
> Press
> the lefthand button whenever the red light appears provided the
> green light is not lighted as well except that no button should
> be
> pressed when the righthand gate is open unless all lights are
> out.
> If the righthand gate is open and the lefthand gate is closed,
> no
> score will result from pressing any button, but the lefthand
> button
> must nevertheless be pressed under these circumstances if all
> other
> conditions permit a button to be pressed before any score may be
> made in succeeding phases of the test. To put out the green
> light,
> press the righthand button. If the lefthand gate is not closed,
> no
> button may be pressed. If the left hand gate is closed while the
> red
> light is lighted, do not press the lefthand button if the green
> light is out unless the righthand gate is open. To start the
> test
> move the starting lever from neutral all the way to the right.
> The
> test runs for two minutes from the time you move the starting
> lever
> to the right."
>
> Matt lists the 16 combinations of gates, lights and buttons,
> checks
> them all against these simple instructions <g> and obviously
> gets
> the correct answer; no score is possible. Even with these clues
> I
> couldn't be 100% sure in my mind that I had it clear back then
> so
> let's see.
> If we call the lights, green light (GL) and red light (RL), the
> gates LG and RG ( left and right but you knew that anyway) and
> the
> buttons LB and RB, off is X and on is O then the combinations
> are;
>
> LG O RG O RL O GL O
> LG O RG X RL O GL O
> LG X RG X RL O GL O
> LG X RG O RL O GL O
>
> LG O RG O RL X GL X
> LG O RG X RL X GL X
> LG X RG X RL X GL X
> LG X RG O RL X GL X
>
> LG O RG O RL X GL O
> LG O RG X RL X GL O
> LG X RG X RL X GL O
> LG X RG O RL X GL O
>
> LG O RG O RL O GL X
> LG O RG X RL O GL X
> LG X RG X RL O GL X
> LG X RG O RL O GL X
>
> The instructions say that if the RG is open and the LG is closed
> there is no score, so I think that the last line in each group
> of
> four can be eliminated.
> No button can be pressed if the RG is open and any light is on.
> This
> eliminates line 1 of group 1, 3 and 4.
> If the LG is not closed ( i.e. open) then no button can be
> pressed.
> This eliminates line 1 and 2 of every group. This just leaves
> line 3
> in each group, where both gates are closed. the left button can
> only
> be pressed with a red light ( and a host of other conditions but
> you
> need a red light. It seems to me that this means we can
> eliminate
> line three in group 2 and 3. Two more lines to go...you can't
> press
> the button if both lights are on, so that gets rid of line 3 in
> group one left..I'm getting stuck now...I think line 3 of group
> 4 is
> covered by;
> " If the lefthand gate is closed while the red light is lighted,
> do
> not press the lefthand button if the green light is out unless
> the
> righthand gate is open."
>
> Any thoughts, suggestions, scornful pointing out of obvious
> mistakes?
>
> Jane
>
>
>
>
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Article 18396
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:45:07 -0500
Subject: Re: Coming soon to an ocean splashdown site near you
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Make sure to catch a last glimpse of Mir before she dies. Mir is one of the
few visible man-made sattelites. You can find it's orbital J-Track (along
with Alpha and Shuttle when it's up) here:
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/RealTime/JPass/20/
This is a cool site that allows you to view realtime (or future passes) of
all sattelites. Enter your ZIP code to determine when Mir will be over your
house.
"William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3a706c5a.0@news.sff.net...
> What goes up must come down. The final Progress supply vehicle was
launched
> to MIR this week. It's cargo? The fuel needed to de-orbit the 15-year old
> space station. No specific date has been set for the burn.
>
> Comments?
>
>
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/missions/progress_launch_010123.html?En
> ews=y
>
>
> --
> WJaKe
>
> http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
>
>
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Article 18397
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:11:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Space cadet logic puzzle
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Robert Larson wrote:
> It must be cool to have so much free time. <gdr>
>
>
Writing it out for the post took longer than doing it...but I still
don't know if I've done it right.....
Jane
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Article 18398
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:20:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> wrote in message
news:3a709c12.0@news.sff.net...
> Caught it again last night as the late show. They were building rocket
ships
> to launch and safely land ostrich eggs. As usual I fell asleep again so I
> don't know how many omlets were created.
>
> I noticed that while the hosts are still British the participants are now
> American. Is this set in England still? Or have they moved here?
>
The series that just ended with rockets was the first season in the US,
after 3 seasons in the UK. Cathy Rogers is the Ph.D. creator of the show,
and is certainly British. George Gray is a comedian from LA. (Inspired
casting, eh?)
I think they are still shooting shows in England, but I don't know if TLC is
going to show them.
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18399
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:21:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Space cadet logic puzzle
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> wrote in message
news:3a709d75.0@news.sff.net...
> It must be cool to have so much free time. <gdr>
>
Now is when I need to be able to search the HF archives. We've had this
discussion, but I can't remember the proper solution. I guess I'll have to
work it out...
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18400
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 26 Jan 2001 16:50:04 GMT
Subject: Re: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Somehow I suspected this wouldn't last long. Got it in one, Jai.
Filksinger
Jai wrote:
On 15 Jan 2001 15:28:51 GMT, filksinger@earthlink.net wrote:
>The title is a pun and a joke, as you will see in a moment.
>
>I was watching a movie recently, an old favorite, when I realized that
I
>had probably just seen a first in movie history.
>
>If I am right, it makes a good if oddball trivia question. If I am wrong,
>I am interested in knowing what the correct answer is.
>
>In what movie did a _protagonist_ played by a major Hollywood actor first
>declare he was gay?
>
>I am hoping the answer will be a surprise.
>
>Filksinger
If memory serves, Cary Grant, in "Bringing Up Baby"
He was wearing a pink, frilly nightie at the time.
But it was a joke -- he wasn't playing a gay character. And I'm not
even sure he meant "gay" that way.
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Article 18401
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 26 Jan 2001 17:57:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
So, Bob, you're trying Opera, too? It takes some getting used to, but overall
its pretty good. Make certain you get the latest release or your History
window could be toast.
Biggest problem I had was that I was dealing with two factors at once. I
was using Opera, so some pages didn't work properly. Additionally, I was
using the Proxomitron, which is a local proxy that strips out whatever types
of HTML or Javascript you like. Using it, for example, no window ever pops
open one of those stupid ad windows, all banners are invisible, and GIFs
don't move.
The result of using this with Opera is that when a page didn't, I had to
first determine if it was Proxomitron or Opera, then look for a fix.
Filksinger
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Article 18402
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 02:58:55 GMT
Subject: Re: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 26 Jan 2001 16:50:04 GMT, filksinger@earthling.net wrote:
>Somehow I suspected this wouldn't last long. Got it in one, Jai.
>
>Filksinger
I was beginning to wonder if you would ever let me know if this was
the movie you had in mind.
What's the pun in the title?
I'm not much of a Cary Grant fan, but I LOVE old Kate Hepburn movies.
Esp the ones with Spencer Tracy. Altho I think African Queen is my
favorite. Ah, Bogie....
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Article 18403
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 03:03:25 GMT
Subject: Re: The ultimate trash can
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:19:55 -0500, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
>So, you've got the latest in personal computer hardware (G4, P4, Athlon, IBM
>mainframe, whatever your poison), you've got a web-surfing phone, a
>wireless, stock-trading PDA, DVD, satellite, GPS, wristphone, pocket fax,
>beeper watch, etc. ad nauseum.
>
>But do you have your own desktop black hole?
>
>http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/desktop_blackhole_010123.htm
>l
That is SO cool, Jake. Thanks for sharing.
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Article 18404
From: Madge Van Ness <madgevn@angelfire.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:15:08 -0500
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Nah, JovBill, one of the "men" is only 11+ and showing no definite signs of
puberty yet. I think it is the guy/gadget thing.
MadgEdith
Bill Dauphin wrote:
> Madge Van Ness wrote:
>
> > The men in my house find [Junkyard Wars] fascinating...
>
> Specifically the men, eh? Is that because of the guy-guy gadget quotient, or
> because of that tasty crumpet of a British cohost, I wonder? <GD&RLH>
>
> -JovBill
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Article 18405
From: Madge Van Ness <madgevn@angelfire.com>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 17:30:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Space cadet logic puzzle
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Janey,
I didn't actually work it out on paper, but I spent a few minutes
staring at it a few years ago, and it was obvious that none of the
combos were acceptable for a score. I think the point was that it was a
personality/character test: reading directions vs going off half-cocked.
If I were a large organization which had to send people to a
technologically dense and dangerous environment, I'd darn well want to
be sure that they were careful about following all safety precautions
and not bollixing up the machinery by ignoring the directions. (yeah,
yeah, these days intuitive design is supposed to be the way to go, but
it just doesn't work for everything!)
MadgEdith
ddavitt wrote:
> Has anyone here ever worked through this puzzle? I tried years ago
> and got a headache but it got mentioned recently so I thought I'd
> try again.
>
> Matt gets put in a room with a funny gadget, paper and pencil
> and
> the following directions
>
> "If any score from a previous test appears in the window marked
> SCORE, return the starting lever to the position marked NEUTRAL
> to
> clear the board for your test.
> Matt found the window labelled 'SCORE'; it had a score showing
> in it
> -'37'. Well, he thought, that gives me a mark to shoot at. He
> decided not to clear the board until he had read the
> instructions. (
> Note from Jane; I would have failed at this point by pulling
> that
> lever....)
> After the test starts a score of '1' will result each time you
> press
> the lefthand button except as otherwise provided here below.
> Press
> the lefthand button whenever the red light appears provided the
> green light is not lighted as well except that no button should
> be
> pressed when the righthand gate is open unless all lights are
> out.
> If the righthand gate is open and the lefthand gate is closed,
> no
> score will result from pressing any button, but the lefthand
> button
> must nevertheless be pressed under these circumstances if all
> other
> conditions permit a button to be pressed before any score may be
> made in succeeding phases of the test. To put out the green
> light,
> press the righthand button. If the lefthand gate is not closed,
> no
> button may be pressed. If the left hand gate is closed while the
> red
> light is lighted, do not press the lefthand button if the green
> light is out unless the righthand gate is open. To start the
> test
> move the starting lever from neutral all the way to the right.
> The
> test runs for two minutes from the time you move the starting
> lever
> to the right."
>
> Matt lists the 16 combinations of gates, lights and buttons,
> checks
> them all against these simple instructions <g> and obviously
> gets
> the correct answer; no score is possible. Even with these clues
> I
> couldn't be 100% sure in my mind that I had it clear back then
> so
> let's see.
> If we call the lights, green light (GL) and red light (RL), the
> gates LG and RG ( left and right but you knew that anyway) and
> the
> buttons LB and RB, off is X and on is O then the combinations
> are;
>
> LG O RG O RL O GL O
> LG O RG X RL O GL O
> LG X RG X RL O GL O
> LG X RG O RL O GL O
>
> LG O RG O RL X GL X
> LG O RG X RL X GL X
> LG X RG X RL X GL X
> LG X RG O RL X GL X
>
> LG O RG O RL X GL O
> LG O RG X RL X GL O
> LG X RG X RL X GL O
> LG X RG O RL X GL O
>
> LG O RG O RL O GL X
> LG O RG X RL O GL X
> LG X RG X RL O GL X
> LG X RG O RL O GL X
>
> The instructions say that if the RG is open and the LG is closed
> there is no score, so I think that the last line in each group
> of
> four can be eliminated.
> No button can be pressed if the RG is open and any light is on.
> This
> eliminates line 1 of group 1, 3 and 4.
> If the LG is not closed ( i.e. open) then no button can be
> pressed.
> This eliminates line 1 and 2 of every group. This just leaves
> line 3
> in each group, where both gates are closed. the left button can
> only
> be pressed with a red light ( and a host of other conditions but
> you
> need a red light. It seems to me that this means we can
> eliminate
> line three in group 2 and 3. Two more lines to go...you can't
> press
> the button if both lights are on, so that gets rid of line 3 in
> group one left..I'm getting stuck now...I think line 3 of group
> 4 is
> covered by;
> " If the lefthand gate is closed while the red light is lighted,
> do
> not press the lefthand button if the green light is out unless
> the
> righthand gate is open."
>
> Any thoughts, suggestions, scornful pointing out of obvious
> mistakes?
>
> Jane
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Article 18406
From: filksinger@earthing.net
Date: 27 Jan 2001 22:42:49 GMT
Subject: Re: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I don't know if I would be called a "big fan" of _any_ actor, but if I was,
it would probably be Cary Grant.
As for the pun, I'm not sure what you mean, aside from the blatantly obvious
that "Baby" was the name of a jaguar. Did you mean something else?
Filksinger
Jai wrote:
On 26 Jan 2001 16:50:04 GMT, filksinger@earthling.net wrote:
>Somehow I suspected this wouldn't last long. Got it in one, Jai.
>
>Filksinger
I was beginning to wonder if you would ever let me know if this was
the movie you had in mind.
What's the pun in the title?
I'm not much of a Cary Grant fan, but I LOVE old Kate Hepburn movies.
Esp the ones with Spencer Tracy. Altho I think African Queen is my
favorite. Ah, Bogie....
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Article 18407
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 18:42:46 -0500
Subject: Re: Space cadet logic puzzle
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Madge Van Ness wrote:
> Janey,
>
> I didn't actually work it out on paper, but I spent a few minutes
> staring at it a few years ago, and it was obvious that none of the
> combos were acceptable for a score.
I agree with your thoughts but...obvious?! It makes my headache just
thinking about it...I'm still not convinced I've "solved" it...
Another side thought is the way the instructions are written; could this
have been a training exercise for the people who design tax forms? Making
words confuse instead of clarify? <weg>
Jane
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Article 18408
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 02:05:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Coming soon to an ocean splashdown site near you
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
WJake: What kind of delta V can 4,000 lbs of fuel burned in that
Russian supply rocket do to the Mir? (More than enough to decay the
orbit into the atmosphere I would presume & hope). It's a shame
they didn't rig the old space station with explosive charges to
seperate it into small pieces that are less likely to punch through
the air and land on someone.
Ed J
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:15:06 -0500, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
>What goes up must come down. The final Progress supply vehicle was launched
>to MIR this week. It's cargo? The fuel needed to de-orbit the 15-year old
>space station. No specific date has been set for the burn.
>
>Comments?
>
>http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/missions/progress_launch_010123.html?En
>ews=y
>
>
>--
>WJaKe
>
>http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
>
>
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Article 18409
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2001 23:22:50 -0500
Subject: Re: Coming soon to an ocean splashdown site near you
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@home.spamthis.com> wrote in message
news:3a737d8e.1961522@news.sff.net...
> WJake: What kind of delta V can 4,000 lbs of fuel burned in that
> Russian supply rocket do to the Mir? (More than enough to decay the
> orbit into the atmosphere I would presume & hope). It's a shame
> they didn't rig the old space station with explosive charges to
> seperate it into small pieces that are less likely to punch through
> the air and land on someone.
>
At the moment, I can't come up with data on mass and orbital velocity, so
I'm not sure what the delta V will be. Or how many burns they will use to
de-orbit.
As you might expect, Australia, New Zealand and other South Pacific
countries are complaining about the splashdown site.
http://www.chron.com/content/interactive/space/missions/mir/news/2001/200101
26a.html
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18410
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 13:44:39 GMT
Subject: Re: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 27 Jan 2001 22:42:49 GMT, filksinger@earthing.net wrote:
>As for the pun, I'm not sure what you mean, aside from the blatantly obvious
>that "Baby" was the name of a jaguar. Did you mean something else?
I must have misunderstood. Your original message started off:
>The title is a pun and a joke, as you will see in a moment.
Oh wait! I get it now. You meant the title of your message, "A Major
Outing." LOL--I thought you were giving us a clue.
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Article 18411
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:25:23 GMT
Subject: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I'd almost let the day pass by, but an article in the paper about the
Challenger education programs reminded me of the events of 15 years
ago.
As I was heading back from the store this afternoon I noticed some
trails in the sky from aircraft, and the way they lay in the sky made
me think of those boosters veering off.....
I think that January 28th may end up being the ultimate "where were
you" of -my- generation.
JT
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Article 18412
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:25:23 GMT
Subject: Happy Birthday bytor & Rosie!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
It's unfortunate that you two are the only HFers whose birthday I know
by heart, but the happiest of memories for you today!
JT
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Article 18413
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:15:41 -0500
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
>
> I think that January 28th may end up being the ultimate "where were
> you" of -my- generation.
>
> JT
I don't know....for me I think it was Diana's death. I don't know why; I
was fairly indifferent to the Royals and I would never have bought one of
those papers giving all the details of their private lives but her death,
or more importantly the reaction to it, really made an impression on me.
Challenger was a tragedy on many levels but I don't think it had the same
feeling of sheer disbelief that it'd happened. Just my opinion though.
Jane
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Article 18414
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 04:35:32 GMT
Subject: Re: Coming soon to an ocean splashdown site near you
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
All safety issues aside; it'd be pretty cool to have a crashed space
station in my backyard, actually. Best fort a kid could ever ask for!
>As you might expect, Australia, New Zealand and other South Pacific
>countries are complaining about the splashdown site.
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18415
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:12:35 GMT
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>its pretty good. Make certain you get the latest release or your History
>window could be toast.
5.0 at the moment
Interestingly; I noticed that I could set Opera to identify itself as
IE, NS, or Opera.
Are there any practical reasons to identify as anything besides what
it is?
The only page I've seen that doesn't render right after a couple of
weeks of browsing with it is http://profileonline.cbreston.org/
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18416
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 05:14:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Just a thought... but seeing as how many of the sites with pop-up
windows and banner ads are supported by their advertising (i.e. any
geocities, angelfire, etc. site), isn't this detrimental?
>of HTML or Javascript you like. Using it, for example, no window ever pops
>open one of those stupid ad windows, all banners are invisible, and GIFs
>don't move.
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18417
From: Bill Dauphin <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 03:56:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Junkyard Wars
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Well, I was fascinated (and a bit humbled) to read in another post that the
"tasty crumpet" turns out to have a PhD and be the show's creator. That doesn't
diminish her tastiness any, of course, but it does make me look like rather a pig
for focusing on it, and for assuming that's why she's on the show. Ah, well... I
suppose this "man," even at 40+, hasn't quite escaped puberty himself... ;^)
-JovBill
Madge Van Ness wrote:
> Nah, JovBill, one of the "men" is only 11+ and showing no definite signs of
> puberty yet. I think it is the guy/gadget thing.
>
> MadgEdith
>
> Bill Dauphin wrote:
>
> >Specifically the men, eh? Is that because of the guy-guy gadget quotient, or
> > because of that tasty crumpet of a British cohost, I wonder? <GD&RLH>
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Article 18418
From: Francesco Spreafico" <laz@libero.it>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:26:01 +0100
Subject: L'Envoi List
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hello everybody.
As some of you miight know in these years there has been an attempt to
compile a complete list of all the characters appearing in the last
chapter of _The Number of the Beast_; the editorial groups for this
project is AFH and its editor was Simon Slavin. Now he has passed the
editing of the list to me, and since there's very little left to do, I
thought I'd try to post it even in some places other that AFH, maybe some
of you can help!
My apologies to the people who've already read this elsewhere :-)
The new URL's are :
http://heinlein.cjb.net/lenvoi.htm for the HTML version and
http://heinlein.cjb.net/lenvoi.txt for the TXT version... update your
bookmarks.
Oh, sometimes (rarely) those won't work, in this case use:
http://web.tiscalinet.it/lazarus_long/RAH/lenvoi.htm
http://web.tiscalinet.it/lazarus_long/RAH/lenvoi.txt
that work all the time, but are more "ugly" to see :-)
Now, to the list... here are the "blanks" left:
- Fu | Fu Manchu? | The only one we can think of
Is there any other Fu that you can think of?
- Mackenzie | ???? (Chris Priest/Randall Garrett/Bob Silverberg?)
I've seen that both Garrett and Silverberg have used that as a pseudonym
(though Silverberg's actually was McKenzie), so I assume that's the same
for Priest, even if I can't find references... anybody has got a better
idea?
- Richardson | ???? (Mentioned Phillip Latham twice?)
Because there is a Richardson, whose pseudonym is Latham, that is already
in the list under that name;
any other Richardson?
- Dorosin ????
- Mott ????
- Oberhelman ????
Absolutely no clue about these... we just know they're doctors (all of
them are doctors, also Fu, Mackenzie and Richardson). With "doctors" I
mean that they have a Ph.D. or something like that, not that they're
physicians :-)
Another "mystery" is the reason because the British and the American
editions have different names. I've asked Charles Sheffield (one of the
name that disappers in England) and he told me that he has no idea, and
that he'd ask Yoji Kondo... since I haven't heard from him since then, I
assume that Kondo has no idea either.
--
Francesco
http://heinlein.cjb.net - RAH in Italian
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Article 18419
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:54:35 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:15:41 -0500, ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca> wrote:
>JT wrote:
>
>>
>> I think that January 28th may end up being the ultimate "where were
>> you" of -my- generation.
>>
>> JT
>
>I don't know....for me I think it was Diana's death. I don't know why; I
>was fairly indifferent to the Royals and I would never have bought one of
>those papers giving all the details of their private lives but her death,
>or more importantly the reaction to it, really made an impression on me.
>Challenger was a tragedy on many levels but I don't think it had the same
>feeling of sheer disbelief that it'd happened. Just my opinion though.
>
>Jane
>
Interesting, Jane. You're a British subject, right? In Canada
presently, if memory serves?
I hereby qualify my statement as " the ultimate 'where were
you' of -my- generation *as an American*".
This is one of the reasons I'm glad this group is on the Internet....
I need to remember that the USA is not the be-all-and-end-all of
cultural viewpoints. ;)
So for those of you that are early-to-mid-thirties now, any other
opinions on the subject?
JT
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Article 18420
From: James Hunt" <jhunt@txcyber.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:41:47 -0600
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Let's see, what events do I remember where I was at the time?
1. The bombing of Pearl Harbor. (My 10th birthday)
2. The death of F.D.R
3. The death of J.F.K.
4. The first moon landing.
5. The Challenger.
I'm sure that there are lots more, but these are just off the "top of my
head".
GemStone
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Article 18421
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:29:46 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:41:47 -0600, "James Hunt" <jhunt@txcyber.com>
wrote:
>Let's see, what events do I remember where I was at the time?
>1. The bombing of Pearl Harbor. (My 10th birthday)
>2. The death of F.D.R
>3. The death of J.F.K.
>4. The first moon landing.
>5. The Challenger.
>I'm sure that there are lots more, but these are just off the "top of my
>head".
>
>GemStone
>
No fair Gem, you've lived through more history than me. ;)
Although I guess I can mention Reagan's shooting and Al Haig's "I am
in Control", that still is not at the level of national "tragedy".
I just thought of another, though.... John Lennon's death. I was in
the kitchen the morning after, and they played (Just Like) Starting
Over on WABC-AM. I was pleased to hear it, then the DJ broke the
news.
For my benefit, my parents actually respected the 10 minutes of
silence 'memorial' that was broadcast from Central Park, NYC soon
after. I remember them shushing one of my (older) brothers who was
being a wiseass.
Anyway, that one probably cuts across national borders as well as a
few generations.
--JT
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Article 18422
From: David Wright" <maikosht@alltel.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:23:23 -0500
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"James Hunt" <jhunt@txcyber.com> wrote in message
news:3a761c24.0@news.sff.net...
> Let's see, what events do I remember where I was at the time?
> 1. The bombing of Pearl Harbor. (My 10th birthday)
> 2. The death of F.D.R
> 3. The death of J.F.K.
> 4. The first moon landing.
> 5. The Challenger.
> I'm sure that there are lots more, but these are just off the "top of my
> head".
>
> GemStone
>
>
I don't recall where I was, specifically, at the death of FDR. I do recall
seeing the train bearing his body on the way through from Warm Springs
through Atlanta. I was 5 at the time. People were lining up all along the
tracks. I can only vaguely remember the events at the end of the war.
I recall precisely where I was when I heard about the invasion of South
Korea.
I distinctly recall where I was on hearing about JFK. And I recall watching
live the Oswald shooting by Jack Ruby sitting in front of the fire in my old
fraternity house during a visit to my alma mater.
The moon landing happened immediately preceding the birth of my second son.
These are the ones that stand out in my memory.
David Wright
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Article 18423
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:28:26 -0500
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
> I just thought of another, though.... John Lennon's death. I was in
> the kitchen the morning after, and they played (Just Like) Starting
> Over on WABC-AM. I was pleased to hear it, then the DJ broke the
> news.
If we are recalling music tragedies, it's hard to forget "The Day the
Music Died" when the Big Bopper, Buddy Holly and Ritchie Valens were killed
in a plane crash.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
"Computers make it easier to do a lot of things, but most of the things they
make it easier to do don't need to be done." -- Andy Rooney
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Article 18424
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 04:38:35 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:29:46 GMT, JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) wrote:
>I just thought of another, though.... John Lennon's death. I was in
>the kitchen the morning after, and they played (Just Like) Starting
>Over on WABC-AM. I was pleased to hear it, then the DJ broke the
>news.
I was almost as strongly affected by the deaths of John Denver and
Sonny Bono. A true sign of the aging of my generation.
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Article 18425
From: Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:28:01 -0800
Subject: Advice, Please
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Someone is buying me a new computer. ::dances in joyous ecstasy:: The
problem is I don't know what I want. My budget is $1k.
The only thing I can think of is memory, memory, memory--RAM, Video, Hard
Drive. The question is how much and what type. This antique runs out of
all three too soon.
I know I want at least 4 drive bays in the tower and would prefer 6. Same
for expansion slots. I have no idea what I would put in the extra ones
right now but after living with this 3X3 desktop nightmare for over 5 years
I want the room.
I don't know if I want a P3 or a Celeron processor. or what kind of CD or
DVD drive will meet my anticipated needs. or even what questions to ask the
idiots at Best Buy, Circut City, Gateway, or the local computer shop where
I'll probably buy the thing.
Here's what I do on my computer. Word Processing, Personal finances,
Databases, and some games--primarily Tom's Pretty Good Solitaire and
Ultimate Cribage. For the internet, I surf a little but use my modem mostly
for email and a couple of local BBSs (remember those?) I did more online
before this computer and my modem started acting funny. I don't own another
CD player so I use the computer for my music CDs.
I'd like to use my current monitor if a 5.5 year old 14" SVGA will work. It
may save me a buck or two that could be better spent on a new printer or
more memory.
I'm replacing a 5.5 year old 486/66 with 20Mb RAM, 1.2Gb hard drive, 2Mb
video memory, 16 bit half duplex sound card, 33.6 modem, and a 7 year old 9
pin dot matrix printer. (I only want to add the printer so I can do color
prints. As long as I can get ribbons and paper I'm using my old dot matrix.
One $9 ribbon does about 2 reams of paper!)
--
`rita
Almost live from Finley, Washington
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Article 18426
From: Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:34:42 -0800
Subject: Re: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bogart and Hepburn! Great movie.
Me, I like to sit down and watch the Bogie and Bacall trilogy, "To Have and
Have Not," "The Big Sleep," and "Key Largo" in one sitting/day. I'm told
there is a fourth B/B film out there but I've never seen it.
--
`rita
Almost live from Finley, Washington
Jai Johnson-Pickett wrote in message <3a72377e.31950224@news.sff.net>...
|I'm not much of a Cary Grant fan, but I LOVE old Kate Hepburn movies.
|Esp the ones with Spencer Tracy. Altho I think African Queen is my
|favorite. Ah, Bogie....
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Article 18427
From: Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:00:34 -0800
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
For Challenger I had just arrived at work.
JFK (age 7) at school
MLKjr at school
RFK on the evening news at home
Apollo 11 at my paternal grandmother's (same place as the Christmas we
watched and heard Genesis 1 from Apollo 8<?>)
Kent State on the evening news at home
John Lennon is a blur. 1980 was a very very bad year for me and Athena. I
remember the shock and the pain and the grief but I don't remember where I
was when I heard.
Waco-talking on the phone to Erin's school when the news bulletin came on
the TV here.
Oklahoma City- woke up to it on the radio
The Atlanta Olympic Bombing--live in my living room here.
and finally I can tell you the exact spot in the house I was standing when I
read Robert A. Heinlein's obituary in the local paper.
--
`rita
Almost live from Finley, Washington
JT wrote in message <3a747ef6.152368704@news.sff.net>...
|I'd almost let the day pass by, but an article in the paper about the
|Challenger education programs reminded me of the events of 15 years
|ago.
|
|As I was heading back from the store this afternoon I noticed some
|trails in the sky from aircraft, and the way they lay in the sky made
|me think of those boosters veering off.....
|
|I think that January 28th may end up being the ultimate "where were
|you" of -my- generation.
|
|JT
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Article 18428
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:44:05 -0500
Subject: Re: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3a765a0c.0@news.sff.net...
> Bogart and Hepburn! Great movie.
>
> Me, I like to sit down and watch the Bogie and Bacall trilogy, "To Have
and
> Have Not," "The Big Sleep," and "Key Largo" in one sitting/day. I'm told
> there is a fourth B/B film out there but I've never seen it.
>
Dark Passage. 1947
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 18429
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:52:59 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:25:23 GMT, JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) wrote:
>I'd almost let the day pass by, but an article in the paper about the
>Challenger education programs reminded me of the events of 15 years
>ago.
>
>As I was heading back from the store this afternoon I noticed some
>trails in the sky from aircraft, and the way they lay in the sky made
>me think of those boosters veering off.....
>
>I think that January 28th may end up being the ultimate "where were
>you" of -my- generation.
>
>JT
Beatles on Ed Sullivan
Death of JFK
NYC Blackout
Death of MLK Jr
Woodstock (I was there, kinda hard to forget)
John Lennon's shooting
Those are the ones that stick the most,( though right after I hit
"post", I'll think up some more <g<)
Fader
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Article 18430
From: anonymous@sff.net (Anonymous Visitor)
Date: 30 Jan 2001 18:40:24 GMT
Subject: Re: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jai wrote:
>>
I must have misunderstood. Your original message started off:
>The title is a pun and a joke, as you will see in a moment.
Oh wait! I get it now. You meant the title of your message, "A Major
Outing." LOL--I thought you were giving us a clue.
>>
Ah. Now I understand.
Yes, that is exactly what I meant; the message title, not the movie title.
I wanted to stump people, and figured this list would get it anyway, so
if I had realized that could be a clue, I wouldn't have said it.:)
Filksinger
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Article 18431
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 30 Jan 2001 18:54:31 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
GemStone wrote:
>>
Let's see, what events do I remember where I was at the time?
1. The bombing of Pearl Harbor. (My 10th birthday)
2. The death of F.D.R
3. The death of J.F.K.
4. The first moon landing.
5. The Challenger.
I'm sure that there are lots more, but these are just off the "top of my
head".
>>
While I, OTOH, never remember where I was for almost anything. I have a
very good memory for facts, and a very poor memory for my life, at least
my childhood. Probably has to do with hating it.
Wait, I just remembered one. I do recall I was at school when Reagan was
shot. And if you are counting scheduled events ( I saw the first moon landing
above), I do recall staying up to watch the marriage of Chuck and Di, out
of curiosity, so I know I was in the family room of my home in south Salem.
Filksinger
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Article 18432
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 30 Jan 2001 19:16:52 GMT
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
5.0 at the moment
Interestingly; I noticed that I could set Opera to identify itself as
IE, NS, or Opera.
Are there any practical reasons to identify as anything besides what
it is?
>>
A significant number of web pages use Java. Opera 5.o and higher can handle
most such pages, but they often first check to see what browser you use.
If you don't claim to have an up-to-date version of a popular browser, they
disable the Java.
>>
The only page I've seen that doesn't render right after a couple of
weeks of browsing with it is http://profileonline.cbreston.org/
>>
You're lucky. A fair number of sites do have problems. Hotmail,for example.
Filksinger
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Article 18433
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 30 Jan 2001 19:21:21 GMT
Subject: Re: Help?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bob Lawson wrote:
>>
Just a thought... but seeing as how many of the sites with pop-up
windows and banner ads are supported by their advertising (i.e. any
geocities, angelfire, etc. site), isn't this detrimental?
>>
Maybe to them, but not to me.:)
Seriously, it is like recording a TV show with a VCR that turns all commercials
blue and fast forwards over them. If everybody did it, normal TV would take
a dive, and we'd all have to pay for our shows. But so long as only a few
people do it, it has no reasonable impact on them and makes my browsing
much more comfortable.
This depends a lot on where you go. Because I am studying viruses and security,
I spend a lot of time on hacking pages. They often have a lot of very annoying
javascript, pop-up windows, and windows that open when you close the web
page. This are annoying, and I can, just because I got tricked into clicking
on the wrong link, find myself closing a dozen pages offering "Teen Sluts"
and "Britney Spears Nude!"
Sometimes, it disables things I want. Generally, it makes my surfing less
annoying.
Filksinger
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Article 18434
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 30 Jan 2001 20:30:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Advice, Please
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Rita wrote:
>>
Someone is buying me a new computer. ::dances in joyous ecstasy:: The
problem is I don't know what I want. My budget is $1k.
>>
That will buy a workable machine today. So far, so good.
>>
The only thing I can think of is memory, memory, memory--RAM, Video, Hard
Drive. The question is how much and what type. This antique runs out of
all three too soon.
>>
PC-133 or PC-100 RAM. Cheap and plentiful. Now well under the dollar a
megabyte barrier. I'd get plenty. 128MB min.
Hard drives are also getting cheap. You can get as much as 30 Gigs for $100.
I have seen nicer machines with 80 Gig hard drives off the shelf.
On video, it depends a great deal on how much gaming you want to do.
>>
I know I want at least 4 drive bays in the tower and would prefer 6. Same
for expansion slots. I have no idea what I would put in the extra ones
right now but after living with this 3X3 desktop nightmare for over 5 years
I want the room.
>>
Just for the space. Makes it easier to repair later. Also if you actually
still see an AT case rather than an ATX, forget it.
Also, you may want a CD burner or a DVD added later.
>>
I don't know if I want a P3 or a Celeron processor. or what kind of CD
or
DVD drive will meet my anticipated needs. or even what questions to ask
the
idiots at Best Buy, Circut City, Gateway, or the local computer shop where
I'll probably buy the thing.
>>
Don't waste your time asking questions at the Best Buy. Either due to dishonesty
or, more likely, total ignorance, you will get only worthless answers. Circuit
City is a bit better, but I don't know how much.
>>
Here's what I do on my computer. Word Processing, Personal finances,
Databases, and some games--primarily Tom's Pretty Good Solitaire and
Ultimate Cribage. For the internet, I surf a little but use my modem mostly
for email and a couple of local BBSs (remember those?) I did more online
before this computer and my modem started acting funny. I don't own another
CD player so I use the computer for my music CDs.
>>
>>
I'd like to use my current monitor if a 5.5 year old 14" SVGA will work.
It
may save me a buck or two that could be better spent on a new printer or
more memory.
>>
More and more web pages assume that your screen settings are too high for
comfort on a 14" monitor. You _can_ continue with this, but I don't know
if you want to.
>>
I'm replacing a 5.5 year old 486/66 with 20Mb RAM, 1.2Gb hard drive, 2Mb
video memory, 16 bit half duplex sound card, 33.6 modem, and a 7 year old
9
pin dot matrix printer. (I only want to add the printer so I can do color
prints. As long as I can get ribbons and paper I'm using my old dot matrix.
One $9 ribbon does about 2 reams of paper!)
>>
On the printer, avoid Apollo or the super cheap Compaqs, in particular.
My mother-in-law has an Apollo, and the support for it is abysmal. I have
a Compaq, and while it isn't as bad, I don't even know where to buy a new
cartridge.
Now for some specific advice. Normally, I'd say avoid the "$400 off if you
sign up with MSN for 3 years!", but I might consider it if I were you. In
essence, it is kind of like getting a 3 year payment plan for the extra
$400. Since someone else is paying the $1000, this becomes your way of making
a contribution to your computer.
A CD burner is far more useful than you might think. You can copy your CDs,
thus allowing the originals to remain safely locked up. You can make MP3s,
and then you have a disk that holds literally hours of music. You can back
up your data, so you will never lose your address book, old documents, or
past emails again.
A DVD player will be more useful as time goes on. Even now, there are some
encyclopedias that have a DVD version. DVD versions of almost everything
are on the way and inevitable. Watching movies on your computer is secondary.
If possible, get a video card with a TV-Out feature. This will allow you
to make your computer screen effectively as big as your TV. A TV is not
nearly as good as a monitor, but it is perfect for those times you want
to check something on the web but don't feel up to getting up. Additionally,
if you have a DVD-ROM, this allows you to play DVD movies on your TV. Keep
in mind that most "TV-Out" is really S-video, so you will need to have an
adapter unless your TV or VCR has S-video input.
Note: They now have DVD/CD burner combo drives. This may save you money,
but they are very slow at making disks, and do _not_ make DVDs.
Don't worry about antivirus or firewalls. I can show you how to get these
free. In fact, my "Best Firewall" is itself free for home use by a non-networked
computer.
Anything else I can tell you or that I missed?
Filksinger
Filksinger
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Article 18435
From: Madge Van Ness <madgevn@angelfire.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:01:08 -0500
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The resignation of Richard Nixon.
James Hunt wrote:
> Let's see, what events do I remember where I was at the time?
> 1. The bombing of Pearl Harbor. (My 10th birthday)
> 2. The death of F.D.R
> 3. The death of J.F.K.
> 4. The first moon landing.
> 5. The Challenger.
> I'm sure that there are lots more, but these are just off the "top of my
> head".
>
> GemStone
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Article 18436
From: Bill Dauphin <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 22:16:19 -0400
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
> James Hunt wrote:
>
> >3. The death of J.F.K.
One of my earliest memories (from age 3) is watching JFK's funeral on TV. I
don't recall many details, but I remember the moment.
>
> >4. The first moon landing.
I was scheduled for surgery the next day, and we postponed because both my
surgeon and I wanted to stay up late watching the coverage. I recall that
shortly after the first EVA ended, the networks replayed the whole thing...
and I watched every minute both times.
>
> >5. The Challenger.
I was in Seoul, South Korea, teaching English at a commercial language
school. I had left home for work during the countdown, and by the time I
arrived at the school, it was all over. The first I knew about it was when I
saw a sick joke someone had written on the whiteboard in the teachers' work
room: "What do we have in common with NASA? Teacher burnout." At first I
didn't believe it, but then I finally saw a replay on the TV in the media
lab. My father was personally acquainted with several of the Challenger 7,
including Judy Resnick, who'd had dinner at our house (though not when I was
home).
> JT added: I just thought of another, though.... John Lennon's death.
I was listening to Larry King's old all-night radio show on the Mutual
network when the news broke. I sat up all night listening to people call in
and pour their hearts out.
-JovBill
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Article 18437
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:02:05 GMT
Subject: Re: Advice, Please
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>The only thing I can think of is memory, memory, memory--RAM, Video, Hard
>Drive. The question is how much and what type. This antique runs out of
>all three too soon.
Filksinger got to this pretty well. If the only games you ever want to
play are Pretty good solitair and Cribbage than a any video card will
do; however, virtually all new games do request that your video card
have at least 8mb ram and prefer 16 or 32.
Then again, you might just get regular video for now and just buy a
new video cared if you ever decide you need one.
>
>I know I want at least 4 drive bays in the tower and would prefer 6. Same
>for expansion slots. I have no idea what I would put in the extra ones
>right now but after living with this 3X3 desktop nightmare for over 5 years
>I want the room.
Filk got this; I just want to say avoid AT; it's virtually dead
(though I still see the occasional AT case sold)
>I don't know if I want a P3 or a Celeron processor. or what kind of CD or
>DVD drive will meet my anticipated needs. or even what questions to ask the
>idiots at Best Buy, Circut City, Gateway, or the local computer shop where
>I'll probably buy the thing.
1. To run modern apps and Win2k (or Me when it comes or, or 98) an
800Mhz machine can be had cheaply fairly cheaply. Also, you probably
shouldn't discount AMD as they have made very significant inroads and
often give more bang for the buck. Bus speed is a good thing to check.
Filksinger covered the cd/dvd issue.
I would avoid electronics stores if it's at all possible; Filksinger
stated the basic reasons (dishonesty and ignorance/stupidity)
Local computer could be fine but it really depends on the store.
I went to a Gateway Country once, all I know is they wouldn't hire me
because I was under eighteen. This could, perhaps, mean that they are
more dedicated to customer service than the circuit cities/good guys,
etc. that would.
Direct is another possibility. Dell and Micron are just two of the
companies that come to mind.
>Here's what I do on my computer. Word Processing, Personal finances,
>Databases, and some games--primarily Tom's Pretty Good Solitaire and
>Ultimate Cribage. For the internet, I surf a little but use my modem mostly
>for email and a couple of local BBSs (remember those?) I did more online
>before this computer and my modem started acting funny. I don't own another
>CD player so I use the computer for my music CDs.
Nothing too demanding.
>I'd like to use my current monitor if a 5.5 year old 14" SVGA will work. It
>may save me a buck or two that could be better spent on a new printer or
>more memory.
Well, I speak as someone who just upgraded from a 14" to a 17" and the
difference is absolutely amazing. I can even have two windows open at
once and use both of them.
A new 17" can go from $250-$450, give or take a little.
For reference, here's a current example, from
http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/offers/specials_3x_special61.htm. note
that this includes a 17" monitor. Also, you can get a free printer by
going to "customize it" (it's in the list of promos you can pick
from). It's a Lexmark Z32; I know nothing about it. Adding 64mb
ram,something I would recommend, is another $60.
Intel® Pentium® III Processor at 933MHz
64MB SDRAM
20GB4 Ultra ATA Hard Drive
$939
E-Value Code
6V307-mumso
Memory
64MB SDRAM
Hard Drive
20GB4 Ultra ATA Hard Drive
Monitor
17" (16.0 viewable, .28dp) E770 Monitor
Video Card
Intel 3D AGP Graphics
CD/DVD ROM Drive
48X Max Variable CD-ROM Drive
Sound Card
Soundblaster 64V PCI
Speakers
PC Speakers
Modem
V.90/56K5 PCI DataFax Modem for Windows
Operating System
Microsoft®
Windows® Millennium (Windows Me)
Bundled Software
New Microsoft TM Works Suite 2001 with Money 2001
Keyboard
QuietKey®
Keyboard
Mouse
Logitech First Mouse+ Wheel (PS/2v)
Floppy Drive
1.44MB Floppy Drive
Limited Warranty and Support
1Yr Parts & Onsite Labor (Next Business Day)+1Yr Phone Tech Support
Internet Access Service
1-Year DellNet™ by MSN® Internet Access1 Service[add0]
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18438
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 02:11:03 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Let's see, what events do I remember where I was at the time?
My two cents..
For me, it's:
1. Cal Ripken Jr. breaking Gehrig's record.
2. Oklahoma City bombing.
3. Start of Gulf War.
4. Loma Prieta earthquake.
5. Princess Diana dying. (Odd really, since I didn't really find her
particularly interesting)
That's all that comes to mind at the moment; the events are not quite
as momentous as those on other lists.
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18439
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:20:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Coming soon to an ocean splashdown site near you
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
There will be 4 to 6 deorbit burns on Feb 27 or 28. Exact number, duration
and start and end times of these "phasing" burns is to be determined based
on atmoshperic conditions (I havne't figured out yet exactly what that
means... are they hoping for clear skies to observe?). Regardless, these
burns get the critter in line for a final 800 second burn beginning over
Africa. Splash down will be in a 6000x100Km area well South any islands. The
area is reported to be a "dessert". There is no regular air or shipping
traffic in the area.
I wonder how many nuts will sail out there hoping to see something. :-)
"William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3a739dc7.0@news.sff.net...
>
> "Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@home.spamthis.com> wrote in message
> news:3a737d8e.1961522@news.sff.net...
> > WJake: What kind of delta V can 4,000 lbs of fuel burned in that
> > Russian supply rocket do to the Mir? (More than enough to decay the
> > orbit into the atmosphere I would presume & hope). It's a shame
> > they didn't rig the old space station with explosive charges to
> > seperate it into small pieces that are less likely to punch through
> > the air and land on someone.
> >
> At the moment, I can't come up with data on mass and orbital velocity, so
> I'm not sure what the delta V will be. Or how many burns they will use to
> de-orbit.
>
> As you might expect, Australia, New Zealand and other South Pacific
> countries are complaining about the splashdown site.
>
>
http://www.chron.com/content/interactive/space/missions/mir/news/2001/200101
> 26a.html
>
>
> --
> WJaKe
>
> http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
>
>
>
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Article 18440
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:32:34 -0500
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
My list fwiw (I'm a youngin' compared to some here):
Release of the Hostages from Iran
Regan Shooting
Challenger
San Francisco Earthquake
Crash of 87
Oklahoma City
A whole bunch of Clinton/Lewinsky is going to be with me for awhile... but
let's not go there.
Anyone into reading CVR transcripts? I can't get enough. Here's the CVR from
Challenger. For full effect I encourgage you to read the whole thing from
top to bottom without skipping to the bottom. If you do this, the final
words spoke in the cabin will really get you.
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/transcript.html
"Fader" <fader555@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3a767125.1824943@news.sff.net...
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:25:23 GMT, JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT) wrote:
>
> >I'd almost let the day pass by, but an article in the paper about the
> >Challenger education programs reminded me of the events of 15 years
> >ago.
> >
> >As I was heading back from the store this afternoon I noticed some
> >trails in the sky from aircraft, and the way they lay in the sky made
> >me think of those boosters veering off.....
> >
> >I think that January 28th may end up being the ultimate "where were
> >you" of -my- generation.
> >
> >JT
>
> Beatles on Ed Sullivan
> Death of JFK
> NYC Blackout
> Death of MLK Jr
> Woodstock (I was there, kinda hard to forget)
> John Lennon's shooting
>
> Those are the ones that stick the most,( though right after I hit
> "post", I'll think up some more <g<)
>
> Fader
>
>
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Article 18441
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 08:13:36 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
downright spine-chilling.
>Anyone into reading CVR transcripts? I can't get enough. Here's the CVR from
>Challenger. For full effect I encourgage you to read the whole thing from
>top to bottom without skipping to the bottom. If you do this, the final
>words spoke in the cabin will really get you.
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18442
From: filksinger@earthling.net
Date: 2 Feb 2001 00:48:49 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Madge wrote:
>>
The resignation of Richard Nixon.
>>
While I am not certain where I was when I heard he was retiring, I do remember
when he stepped into the helicopter on the White House lawn and left. It
was the first political event I ever understood.
Filksinger
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Article 18443
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2001 08:38:21 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 07:52:59 GMT, fader555@aol.com (Fader) wrote:
>Woodstock (I was there, kinda hard to forget)
Oh, I dunno... I suspect a whole bunch of folks who were there don't
remember a thing.....
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Article 18444
From: Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 09:32:06 -0500
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a770de7.0@news.sff.net>, filksinger@earthling.net writes...
....
> Wait, I just remembered one. I do recall I was at school when Reagan was
> shot.
I was working for for an investment bank in lower Manhattan when Reagan
was shot. I was not listening to the news, but I knew that something
serious had happened when I picked up the phone to make a call and got no
dial tone! I was rather puzzled, but within half a minute I heard people
shouting "The President's been shot!"
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 18445
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 10:36:45 -0500
Subject: Authoritative Bibliography?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I'm looking for an authoritative bibliography of RAH's works. I've been
working with Grumbles so far and apparantly that isn't actually listing 1st
publishers as I'd thought but current or latest publishers. Someone here
quoted me some info here from SciFi Encyclopedia. Is there such a reference
work on the Web somewhere? I need to get educated on the Pre 70s works. The
ebay bidding is getting 'spensive and I don't wanna mess up. Thanks.
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Article 18446
From: Francesco Spreafico" <laz@libero.it>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:48:31 +0100
Subject: Re: Authoritative Bibliography?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> ha scritto:
> I'm looking for an authoritative bibliography of RAH's works. I've been
> working with Grumbles so far and apparantly that isn't actually listing
1st
> publishers as I'd thought but current or latest publishers. Someone here
> quoted me some info here from SciFi Encyclopedia. Is there such a
reference
> work on the Web somewhere? I need to get educated on the Pre 70s works.
The
> ebay bidding is getting 'spensive and I don't wanna mess up. Thanks.
You seem to be interested in *editions*, right?
If so, http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~main/heinlein.html is your place.
If I misunderstood and you're interested in *works* your place is
http://www.nitrosyncretic.com/rah/archives.htm#nhol and your book is
http://www.nitrosyncretic.com/rah_arc.htm
--
Francesco
http://heinlein.cjb.net - RAH in Italian
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Article 18447
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:16:26 -0800
Subject: Re: Advice, Please
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Bob Lawson" <bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com> wrote in message
news:3a776d5e.838465@news.sff.net...
<snip>
> 1. To run modern apps and Win2k (or Me when it comes or, or 98) an
> 800Mhz machine can be had cheaply fairly cheaply.
It looks like you are trying to say, "or Me when it comes out". However, it
has, months ago. What did you mean?
Filksinger
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Article 18448
From: Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:21:06 -0500
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a7a03f1.0@news.sff.net>, filksinger@earthling.net writes...
....
> While I am not certain where I was when I heard he was retiring, I do remember
> when he stepped into the helicopter on the White House lawn and left. It
> was the first political event I ever understood.
Are you sure? ;-)
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 18449
From: Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 16:23:58 -0500
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a767125.1824943@news.sff.net>, Fader writes...
....
> Woodstock (I was there, kinda hard to forget)
Apparently, it's easy to remember being there even if you weren't.
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 18450
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 13:30:29 -0800
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Gordon G. Sollars" <gsollars@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.14e4eec96927e915989748@news.sff.net...
> In article <3a7a03f1.0@news.sff.net>, filksinger@earthling.net writes...
> ...
> > While I am not certain where I was when I heard he was retiring, I do
remember
> > when he stepped into the helicopter on the White House lawn and left. It
> > was the first political event I ever understood.
>
> Are you sure? ;-)
I'm not certain what you mean.
If you mean am I sure I understood it, then, yes, by the definition I mean.
I knew he was the president, who was the most important man in the US, and
that he was quitting because he did bad things. If do you mean that I really
think I understood Watergate, don't be an ass.:)
If you mean am I sure that it is the first governmental event that was
political that I understood, it depends upon your definition of politics. I
have very very vague memories of watching the Moon landing, and I understood
that. For years afterwards, I wanted to be an astronaut.
If you mean the internal family or schoolroom rivalry, well, that wasn't
even close to what I meant.
What do you mean?
Filksinger
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Article 18451
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:44:53 -0800
Subject: An Interesting Piece of Software
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I have found a program named HTTPort that might be of interest to some of
the people here. It has a number of uses, some of which are interesting
politically and some personally.
For an example of personally, I work at a job where I often have time to do
whatever I please until someone needs my technical expertise. One thing I
like to do is catch up on the HF. However, I can only reach the HF via the
web interface, which is clunky and causes me to sometimes be announced as
"Anonymous Visitor" if I post. Now, instead, I can go right through the
company firewall and post directly. I don't think they will fire me for
this; it isn't even officially against the rules, SFAIK.
HTTPort is a program that allows normal TCP/IP connections to be mapped
right through any firewall that allows HTTP, which is the protocol for
reaching web pages. Thus, if you can see web pages, this program will allow
you to get mail, get news, and do even more sophisticated things, right
through the firewall or proxy that is between you and the web.
Here's what I do to use it: I tell it my proxy settings from my browser.
Next, I select a service (the SFF.Net news server) I want to reach. I fill
in its address on the Internet (news.sff.net), and the port used by news on
SSF (119, which is standard for all news). I then tell it a local port I
want to use(120 in this case, as I already use 119). Then I set my news
program to get news at 127.0.0.1 (always the number for the machine you are
on) and port 120.
Here's roughly how it works: My news program asks for news on 127.0.0.1,
port 120. HTTPort is listening to 120 because I told it to above. It
translates the news request to HTTP, the language of web browsers, and sends
it out through the open channel you have to reach those web pages. It sends
it out to either the HTTPort server or to your special server (which I will
talk about below). When it gets there it is translated back to the original
request and sent to the address and port chosen (news.sff.net and 119, as
stated above). When a response (such as a message) is sent back to their
server, the process is reversed, and I get the response.
Now, you can see how this could be useful to me. I set up my news program to
read SFF.Net and the Microsoft news servers (one for fun, one for work
info). I can also get my external mail, which is in about 8 accounts. I can
do even more if I set up my home machine as a host machine (difficult, as it
is a type of DSL that changes its Internet address every time I log in).
Then, I can create a secure SSL connection to my home machine, then route
through it the same way, but with the addition of using SOCKS 4, which
allows me to use IRC and ICQ, among others.
Why is it interesting politically? I run the companion program, HTTHost, on
a machine in the US with a permanent IP address. I then let it be known
about to groups like "Amnesty International". Now, anyone who wants to
bypass monitoring or blocking software in their home country can connect to
me securely, then go anywhere else anonymously. They can get web pages,
secure pages, mail, news, chat, and completely bypass software like the
firewall around some country's Internet access.
Filksinger
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Article 18452
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:14:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Advice, Please
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Pardon me, it was a lapse in memory. I was in err.
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18453
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 01:17:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Advice, Please
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
It appears that error is a better usage. Sorry to hurt your ears.
>Pardon me, it was a lapse in memory. I was in err.
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
www.bluepoet.com
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Article 18454
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:26:53 GMT
Subject: Re: An Interesting Piece of Software
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 2 Feb 2001 15:44:53 -0800, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>I have found a program named HTTPort that might be of interest to some of
>the people here. It has a number of uses, some of which are interesting
>politically and some personally.
>
The program is interesting...we have some serious firewalls at work,
so I'm going to keep it in mind. However, it's almost certainly
against the rules of use, which are there for a reason. However, this
is what really shocked me:
>I can also get my external mail, which is in about 8 accounts.
*8*! I can see how you'd have two or even three outside of a work
account, but 8? Wow, no wonder why you need to check them at work, it
probably takes 8 hours a day just to read through mail. <VBG>
JT
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Article 18455
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 08:26:34 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jai & Gordon,
So, I've heard (both), but I was kinda young & it was the first time I
saw naked women (& men) & the only time I've ever seen them in public,
musta made an impression on me.
Fader
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Article 18456
From: Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:47:33 -0500
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a7b274a.0@news.sff.net>, Filksinger writes...
....
> What do you mean?
I was jokingly asking if we /ever/ understand political events. It was
simply your turn to be the straight man.
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 18457
From: Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 13:54:44 -0500
Subject: Re: An Interesting Piece of Software
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a7b46cd.0@news.sff.net>, Filksinger writes...
> I have found a program named HTTPort that might be of interest to some of
> the people here. It has a number of uses, some of which are interesting
> politically and some personally.
Thanks much for the info, Filk. I don't have a use for this, but it is
very good to know about.
> For an example of personally, I work at a job where I often have time to do
> whatever I please until someone needs my technical expertise. One thing I
> like to do is catch up on the HF. However, I can only reach the HF via the
> web interface, which is clunky and causes me to sometimes be announced as
> "Anonymous Visitor" if I post.
Well, actually, I've liked the idea that there is an "Anonymous Visitor"
on this newsgroup. It's a little sad to know he won't be back. ;-)
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 18458
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:49:50 GMT
Subject: Re: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jake: Is "Dark Passage" the one about Bogie as a small boat's
captain asked to smuggle refugees? I vaguely recall seeing one like
that.
Ed J
On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 02:44:05 -0500, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
> "To Have
>and
>> Have Not," "The Big Sleep," and "Key Largo" in one sitting/day. I'm told
>> there is a fourth B/B film out there but I've never seen it.
>>
>
>Dark Passage. 1947
>
>
>--
>WJaKe
>
>http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
>
>
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Article 18459
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 19:52:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Coming soon to an ocean splashdown site near you
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Robert: Perhaps as many nuts as climbed mountainous 'target' areas
in TMIAHM?
Ed J
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:20:39 -0500, "Robert Larson"
<Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> wrote:
>There will be 4 to 6 deorbit burns on Feb 27 or 28. Exact number, duration
>and start and end times of these "phasing" burns is to be determined based
>on atmoshperic conditions (I havne't figured out yet exactly what that
>means... are they hoping for clear skies to observe?). Regardless, these
>burns get the critter in line for a final 800 second burn beginning over
>Africa. Splash down will be in a 6000x100Km area well South any islands. The
>area is reported to be a "dessert". There is no regular air or shipping
>traffic in the area.
>
>I wonder how many nuts will sail out there hoping to see something. :-)
>
>"William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>news:3a739dc7.0@news.sff.net...
>>
>> "Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@home.spamthis.com> wrote in message
>> news:3a737d8e.1961522@news.sff.net...
>> > WJake: What kind of delta V can 4,000 lbs of fuel burned in that
>> > Russian supply rocket do to the Mir? (More than enough to decay the
>> > orbit into the atmosphere I would presume & hope). It's a shame
>> > they didn't rig the old space station with explosive charges to
>> > seperate it into small pieces that are less likely to punch through
>> > the air and land on someone.
>> >
>> At the moment, I can't come up with data on mass and orbital velocity, so
>> I'm not sure what the delta V will be. Or how many burns they will use to
>> de-orbit.
>>
>> As you might expect, Australia, New Zealand and other South Pacific
>> countries are complaining about the splashdown site.
>>
>>
>http://www.chron.com/content/interactive/space/missions/mir/news/2001/200101
>> 26a.html
>>
>>
>> --
>> WJaKe
>>
>> http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Article 18460
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:05:51 GMT
Subject: Re: Advice, Please
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
`rita: Filksinger (& Bob) did excellent jobs with great advice.
I would try to buy a package deal with a 17" monitor included. For
about $200 this size monitor is included in the better companies'
offers. (It is a shame that we are not 'drive up the road
neighbors'. then I would build you a machine to your specs and
budget) though beating a package deal is very hard to do.... I am
a died-in-the-wool Intel fan: but for your money I would advise
getting an AMD Athlon CPU. Best bang for the buck. They have
racked up very good bench marks in testing against much more
expensive Intel Pentium3 chips.
I recently bought some memory direct from "Crucial Tech" a division
of Micron (?perhaps the largest memory maker) and known for high
prices. One PC100 128MB DIMM was $59.00 and one PC100 MHz 256MB
DIMM was $131.00. Their price was twice that high in September,
2000 the previous time I bought from them. You should be able to
get a new machine with 128MB of RAM and 20 or 30 GB harddrive and
8MB on the Video card with a 17" monitor and a modem; and stay
within budget. I will do a little web research and get back to you
with specifics. (FS and Bob: I you turn up any name brand machines
for under $1k, please let `rita know. I'll do the same.)
Ed J
On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 21:28:01 -0800, "Lorrita Morgan"
<lorrita-m@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Someone is buying me a new computer. ::dances in joyous ecstasy:: The
>problem is I don't know what I want. My budget is $1k.
>
>The only thing I can think of is memory, memory, memory--RAM, Video, Hard
>Drive. The question is how much and what type. This antique runs out of
>all three too soon.
>
>I know I want at least 4 drive bays in the tower and would prefer 6. Same
>for expansion slots. I have no idea what I would put in the extra ones
>right now but after living with this 3X3 desktop nightmare for over 5 years
>I want the room.
>
>I don't know if I want a P3 or a Celeron processor. or what kind of CD or
>DVD drive will meet my anticipated needs. or even what questions to ask the
>idiots at Best Buy, Circut City, Gateway, or the local computer shop where
>I'll probably buy the thing.
>
>Here's what I do on my computer. Word Processing, Personal finances,
>Databases, and some games--primarily Tom's Pretty Good Solitaire and
>Ultimate Cribage. For the internet, I surf a little but use my modem mostly
>for email and a couple of local BBSs (remember those?) I did more online
>before this computer and my modem started acting funny. I don't own another
>CD player so I use the computer for my music CDs.
>
>I'd like to use my current monitor if a 5.5 year old 14" SVGA will work. It
>may save me a buck or two that could be better spent on a new printer or
>more memory.
>
>I'm replacing a 5.5 year old 486/66 with 20Mb RAM, 1.2Gb hard drive, 2Mb
>video memory, 16 bit half duplex sound card, 33.6 modem, and a 7 year old 9
>pin dot matrix printer. (I only want to add the printer so I can do color
>prints. As long as I can get ribbons and paper I'm using my old dot matrix.
>One $9 ribbon does about 2 reams of paper!)
>--
>`rita
>Almost live from Finley, Washington
>
>
>
>
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Article 18461
From: SpaceCadet <cdozo@hotmail.com_delete_this>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:03:45 -0600
Subject: Re: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ed Johnson wrote:
>
> Jake: Is "Dark Passage" the one about Bogie as a small boat's
> captain asked to smuggle refugees? I vaguely recall seeing one like
> that.
>
Ed,
That happens in "To Have and Have Not." It's my favorite movie
(of all time) and Bogie and Bacall's first film together. The two
of them met, and fell in love, during the making of this film. It
was also Lauren Bacall's first film. She was 17 years old.
Carol (who generally doesn't like movies or movie trivia)
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Article 18462
From: Deanna S. Higginbotham" <ke4lfg@amsat.org>
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 22:32:38 -0600
Subject: Re: RPN
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bob--
For you and all the others who miss their RPN, you may want to see the
ZDNet download of a free RPN calculator, Excalibur.
http://cgi.zdnet.com/slink?78980:1466991 . According to the blurb, "This
excellent, free, RPN-only calculator features banks for scientific,
statistics, business, programming, geometry, computer science, physics,
conversion, and complex numbers functions -- and more. "
--Dee
Bob Lawson <bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com> wrote in message
news:3a61165a.1027151@news.sff.net...
> This is, well, off-topic I am afraid. However, I am feeling very
> persecuted in that no one I know appreciates the beauty of Reverse
> Polish Notation. I was wondering if there was, perhaps, anyone in this
> group who prefers it to typical algebraic mode?
> Thanks.
> bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
> www.bluepoet.com
>
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Article 18463
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 05:14:12 GMT
Subject: Re: A Major Outing
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Carol: Thanks for refreshing my memory. (Gosh: was she only 17 in
that old flick? I don't blame Bogart for falling for her; sigh...)
That must be the movie where she gives him directions on how to
whistle <g>.
Ed J (who Does like old movies & movie trivia <G>)
On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 21:03:45 -0600, SpaceCadet
<cdozo@hotmail.com_delete_this> wrote:
>
>
>Ed Johnson wrote:
>>
>> Jake: Is "Dark Passage" the one about Bogie as a small boat's
>> captain asked to smuggle refugees? I vaguely recall seeing one like
>> that.
>>
>
>Ed,
>
>That happens in "To Have and Have Not." It's my favorite movie
>(of all time) and Bogie and Bacall's first film together. The two
>of them met, and fell in love, during the making of this film. It
>was also Lauren Bacall's first film. She was 17 years old.
>
>Carol (who generally doesn't like movies or movie trivia)
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Article 18464
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 05:27:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Coming soon to an ocean splashdown site near you
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Does anyone remember when SkyLab was starting to decay it's orbit?
There was an ESP experiment to see if people could join forces and
mentally (?using telekinesis) push this large object into a higher
orbit. As wacky as that sounds, I recall it as a legit news item of
it's time. (It's one thing to bend a spoon on a TV program with
telekinesis, another to reposition an orbiting space craft.)
I hope that the Australians are safe from falling debris and that
someone captures the reentry with a video camera.
Ed J
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 13:20:39 -0500, "Robert Larson"
<Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com> wrote:
>There will be 4 to 6 deorbit burns on Feb 27 or 28. Exact number, duration
>and start and end times of these "phasing" burns is to be determined based
>on atmoshperic conditions (I havne't figured out yet exactly what that
>means... are they hoping for clear skies to observe?). Regardless, these
>burns get the critter in line for a final 800 second burn beginning over
>Africa. Splash down will be in a 6000x100Km area well South any islands. The
>area is reported to be a "dessert". There is no regular air or shipping
>traffic in the area.
>
>I wonder how many nuts will sail out there hoping to see something. :-)
>
>"William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>news:3a739dc7.0@news.sff.net...
>>
>> "Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@home.spamthis.com> wrote in message
>> news:3a737d8e.1961522@news.sff.net...
>> > WJake: What kind of delta V can 4,000 lbs of fuel burned in that
>> > Russian supply rocket do to the Mir? (More than enough to decay the
>> > orbit into the atmosphere I would presume & hope). It's a shame
>> > they didn't rig the old space station with explosive charges to
>> > seperate it into small pieces that are less likely to punch through
>> > the air and land on someone.
>> >
>> At the moment, I can't come up with data on mass and orbital velocity, so
>> I'm not sure what the delta V will be. Or how many burns they will use to
>> de-orbit.
>>
>> As you might expect, Australia, New Zealand and other South Pacific
>> countries are complaining about the splashdown site.
>>
>>
>http://www.chron.com/content/interactive/space/missions/mir/news/2001/200101
>> 26a.html
>>
>>
>> --
>> WJaKe
>>
>> http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Article 18465
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:00:30 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filksinger: Is there a clinical name for the type of 'memory'
being discussed here? One where a traumatic event has occured and
your immediate surroundings at the moment of your hearing the news
are etched into your memory?
Or of seeing the news: many people actually witnessed the
Challenger explosion on TV. I recall walking into the Drafting
room at work to go to my boss's cubicle. There was an unusual
silence in that large room of a dozen or more drafting tables.
Several people were standing around one radio with very serious
looks on their faces. The radio announcer then repeated that the
Space Shuttle Challenger had just blown up shortly after take off.
Also for me:
Being in High School and hearing about JFK. We were sent home after
the announcement was made over the PA system.
Moon Landing
Bobby Kennedy
Desert Shield turned to Desert Storm
Ed J
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Article 18466
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 15:31:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Advice, Please
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
`rita: I have replied to you via your Prodigy E-Mail account.
This post is my first use of Agent! vs the Free Agent that has
worked so well for many years.
Ed J
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Article 18467
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 23:37:53 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:00:30 GMT, eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed
Johnson) wrote:
>Filksinger: Is there a clinical name for the type of 'memory'
>being discussed here? One where a traumatic event has occured and
>your immediate surroundings at the moment of your hearing the news
>are etched into your memory?
Ed,
That's kinda what I was alluding to in starting the thread; for my
generation (came of age in the 80s-early 90s) the Challenger comes
across for many as an "etched" moment.
Not to slight those who've been adding their take on history witnessed
(it's always interesting to me to hear first-person accounts), but I
*know* what the baby-boomer flashpoints were--they are old enough to
be history now have been dissected elsewhere as such. I'm thinking
that stuff from the 80s is at most 21 years now and a little too close
to get a good reckoning on yet--but the time is coming.
I remember reading a book by Todd Gitlin in a Sociology class in
college and being p.o.ed realizing that he has made a living off of
rehashing his life ad nauseum to university students. But I guess
it's nice work if you can get it....
JT
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Article 18468
From: Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 22:23:56 -0500
Subject: Re: RIP Challenger
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3a7de588.98710287@news.sff.net>, JT writes...
> On Sun, 04 Feb 2001 20:00:30 GMT, eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed
> Johnson) wrote:
....
> Not to slight those who've been adding their take on history witnessed
> (it's always interesting to me to hear first-person accounts), but I
> *know* what the baby-boomer flashpoints were--they are old enough to
> be history
Oh, go ahead, youngster, just say that you're bored by all the old folks
jabbering around here! ;-)
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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