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Article 22709
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 04:47:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Of course I remember him. He thought everything was green. I am sure he
>has goten past that by now. I hope he is doing well - We have several
>kids now who are doing at least as well as Laura did at their ages, so
>there is always hope.
Audrey--I reread your "Diamond in the Rough" today. Really a fine
piece, very moving. I'm going to take it in to work for Joe to read. I
don't know enough to offer any kind of realistic evaluation of Zack
and his progress, but I've met him several times--seems bright,
lively, charming, speaks well. From what I hear of his homework it
sounds to me like he's doing normal first grade stuff--actually more
and harder stuff than was expected of us in first grade.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22710
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 13:54:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
news:3f356bc0.1393122704@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>
> I'd like to put elements from "Galactic Citizen" on our Heinlein
> website
Haven't heard from or seen Paul in a while, I'll see what I can find.
If you need anything, hardcopy or electronic versions of items, let me know
and I will get you anything I can.
WJaKe
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Article 22711
From: JT
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:31:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 20:32:06 GMT, hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai
Johnson-Pickett) wrote:
>Well, I haven't been lurking much, but I have dropped by a few times
>in the last months and browsed thru.
>
Goodness, I hope the worst is past. Glad to see you back!
JT
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Article 22712
From: JT
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:31:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:06:21 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
>
> JT & SIFI ROB--ditto the carte blanche on your poems, if you're okay
>with the general idea of putting them on the website then we can work
>out which ones you do or don't want published on the web.
Fine by me, permission given. As long as we retain some marketable
form of web/print publication (not that I'm seriously shopping them
around, but you never know.... ;)
> BETH, JAMES HUNT--likewise on the poems
>
> WJaKE--issue 4 article "A Visit to Butler, MO" by Paul Van Bloem &
>William J. Keaton. I'd really like to put this article up, but don't
>recall seeing Paul around for ages. WJaKe, do you have contact? Or can
>give solo permission? Or a rewrite to your own solo version?
>
Paul can be reached at P J Van Bloem @ a o l . c o m (just take out
all the spaces in the email first). He still actually lives fairly
near me, we just haven't seen each other in a LOONG time.
JT
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Article 22713
From: Audrey Gifford
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 18:35:07 -0700
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Thanks. Hope he is not offended by the subject matter.
Elk Grove kinders are referred to as little Harvards around here -
Very nice when it works, but I don't know if the difference holds up in
high school scores as well as they do in Kinder - interestingly Folsom
and Granite Bay which have at least as much money as Elk Grove don't do
the academic Kinders to the same extent, from what I and my colleagues
have seen.
THough I like them - our kids tend to do well there as academics are
easier than social down time anyway for most of them. Interestingly we
have had to contrive MORE downtime/social stuuff for kids on occasion
because there were not enough opportunities at school for at least 2
kids in that district. Most have the opposite problem, too much downtime
for our kids to handle and not enough structure in the class time.
And the fact is we have to give the kid the skills they need for the
world they live in - we can't just remake the world into something they
already have the skills to handle.
Audrey
Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
>>Of course I remember him. He thought everything was green. I am sure he
>>has goten past that by now. I hope he is doing well - We have several
>>kids now who are doing at least as well as Laura did at their ages, so
>>there is always hope.
>
>
> Audrey--I reread your "Diamond in the Rough" today. Really a fine
> piece, very moving. I'm going to take it in to work for Joe to read. I
> don't know enough to offer any kind of realistic evaluation of Zack
> and his progress, but I've met him several times--seems bright,
> lively, charming, speaks well. From what I hear of his homework it
> sounds to me like he's doing normal first grade stuff--actually more
> and harder stuff than was expected of us in first grade.
>
> Deb (D.A. Houdek)
> http://www.dahoudek.com
> http://www.robertaheinlein.com
> http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22714
From: Charles Graft
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:11:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
After prodding from Fader, I decided to give it a try.
After answering the questions, mine came up "This page cannot be
displayed".
I did a "prev page", sent it again, and got:
> You belong in The Man Who Sold The Moon. You are a dreamer. People
don't understand
> you your calling, and often get in your way. Frontiers call to you,
and you will breathe your last
> breath as you gaze back from a distant horizon.
I'm not sure what the significance of that is.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
"Seen on the door to a light-wave lab:'Do not look into laser with
remaining good eye.'"
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Article 22715
From: Charles Graft
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:15:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jai--
No wonder it was so hard to try to make contact with you in
January!
Welcome to the world of cancer survivors. I've been a member in
good standing for over 19 years now and there is a lot to be said for
it. It certainly beats the alternative
Best of luck on a full recovery.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
"Seen on the door to a light-wave lab: 'Do not look into laser with
remaining good eye.'"
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Article 22716
From: Charles Graft
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:27:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
All--
One thing to keep in mind is that claimed automotive horsepower is
mostly fiction.
James Watt had it right when he used a Clydesdale or other such
heavy work horse and measured how much water they could pump how high in
so much time. It turns out that if you have 100% efficiency it takes
746 watts (guess who that was named after!) to generate a horsepower. I
bought an air compressor about a year ago that claims 5 horsepower. 5 x
746 = 3,370 watts. The maximum sustained power available at a normal
(20 amp) outlet is 2,400 watts. Somebody is dreaming. And it does not
even have a plug limited to 20 amp circuits on it nor any indication it
requires a dedicated line.
Must have been an automotive engineer that rated that
horsepower.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
"Seen on the door to a light-wave lab: 'Do not look into laser with
remaining good eye.'"
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Article 22717
From: Charles Graft
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:44:47 -0500
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filksinger and Deb:
California electric rates are not typical, so it is hard to make a
judgment. Power plants pollute far less for the amount of power
produced than any automotive engine. However, the charge/discharge
cycle efficiency for lead acid batteries is only around 50%; worse if
fast charged.
I don't know if the water vapor problem is serious as combustion of
gasoline produces over twice as much (in number of molecules) water
vapor as it does carbon dioxide. These are the biggest elements of the
exhaust.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
"Seen on the door to a light-wave lab: 'Do not look into laser with
remaining good eye.'"
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Article 22718
From: Robert Slater"
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:33:55 -0700
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jai,
All my best. I've been notably absent but think often of you folks who were
on Prodigy in the glory days. (Rob, sounding vaguely like an old fart.)
Now instead of general good feelings I'll send some specific be healthy
thoughts.
Rob
SIFI
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Article 22719
From: Robert Slater"
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:42:37 -0700
Subject: SIFI Rob story free online
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hey folks,
I've got a short story up on http://www.wildchildpublishing.com/ for the
month of August. It's cool to see so many familiar names.
Rob
(SIFI Rob)
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Article 22720
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:30:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
> "Real-Life Heinlein Female" button
I like it.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22721
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:37:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jai:
I hope that we (HF) wern't inconsiderate to you when you may
have needed our hugs and consolation. You are in my prayers for
continued good health.
Between my father, mother, wife and myself: I'm the only one to
survive cancer. That sad statistic tends to take away some of the
positive feelings of being a cancer survivor.
A 5 year course of Tamoxifin is SOP as far as I know following
surgery. Eli should chime in if he knows something about this one.
Ed J
On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 20:32:06 GMT, hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai
Johnson-Pickett) wrote:
>Well, I haven't been lurking much, but I have dropped by a few times
>in the last months and browsed thru.
>
>I owe an answer for my absense and lack of contact with my dear
>friends here. I dunno how to start, so let me dive in.
>
>Last January, I was diagnosed with the "Big C" (and NOT Big Charlie
><g>) Yep, breast cancer. Ain't it great? Actually, I was VERY
>lucky. They caught it early, contained totally in the duct, and so
>far I have gotten by with two surgeries and radiation treatment.
>They're saying I should take tamoxifil, and I am considering it. It
>could have been so much worse, but I was in a blue funk for a while, I
>guess. Steeped in feeling sorry for myself most likely. Probably a
>real joy for the family to put up with, but they did, God bless 'em.
>
>Oh, and it didn't help that our dog died the week before the first
>surgery.
>
>Anyway, I think I'm getting over it all. I hope those I've slighted
>(you know who you are) will forgive me someday.
>
>So anyway, howdy to all the old cobbers here. I may not get here
>often, but I will try not to be such a stranger. (stranger than
>what?)
>
>Oh, and if anyone talks to Doc, tell him "little" Karl (all 6ft3 of
>him) goes for his Air National Guard physical next week. LOL.
>
>Jai
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Article 22722
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 23:43:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Charlie: That 5 hp sounds like a case of false advertising to me
<g>. If it took about 4,000 watts, then you could account for the
difference as the efficiency rating of the compressor. Less than
the rated 3370 watts is bogus reporting.
Then again, there are claims of "peak power output". One brief
moment when you can draw 5 hp of work from your compressor (stored
energy) just before it pops the circuit breaker.
Ed J
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 00:27:40 -0500, Charles Graft
<chasgraft@aol.com> wrote:
>All--
>
> One thing to keep in mind is that claimed automotive horsepower is
>mostly fiction.
>
> James Watt had it right when he used a Clydesdale or other such
>heavy work horse and measured how much water they could pump how high in
>so much time. It turns out that if you have 100% efficiency it takes
>746 watts (guess who that was named after!) to generate a horsepower. I
>bought an air compressor about a year ago that claims 5 horsepower. 5 x
>746 = 3,370 watts. The maximum sustained power available at a normal
>(20 amp) outlet is 2,400 watts. Somebody is dreaming. And it does not
>even have a plug limited to 20 amp circuits on it nor any indication it
>requires a dedicated line.
>
> Must have been an automotive engineer that rated that
>horsepower.
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Article 22723
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 00:09:03 -0400
Subject: Re: SIFI Rob story free online
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Rob:
That was truly a work of art.
Ed J
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 09:42:37 -0700, "Robert Slater"
<rslater215@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hey folks,
>I've got a short story up on http://www.wildchildpublishing.com/ for the
>month of August. It's cool to see so many familiar names.
>Rob
>(SIFI Rob)
>
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Article 22724
From: sbeck1@prodigy.net
Date: 13 Aug 2003 03:14:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I took the quiz:
"You belong in the Cat Who Walks Through Walls. You are creative and cunning.
Your works often feel empty to you, though others love them. You suspect
that the universe and everyone in it are just characters in someone else's
story."
Hmmm. Maybe that's true. Ironically, I started reading CWWTW many years
ago, and never finished it. One of the few RAH works I ever started and
never finished. (I know! I blaspheme! It gets worse: I *still* haven't even
read some RAH works yet!)
If I could choose, I think I'd most like to be a character in FRIDAY --
getting my brains bonked out by a sweet and sexy character to whom I have
a great deal of sentimental affection, considering that her story is the
first novel-length RAH work I actually read.
Although, upon further thought, maybe I'd be too wild for her tastes. Heh!
Bwah ha ha ha! : P -- Steve B.
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Article 22725
From: sbeck1@prodigy.net
Date: 13 Aug 2003 03:15:59 GMT
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hi, Jai! I'm responding to your first post. I hope you feel better quickly.
My best wishes and prayers are with you. -- Steve Beck
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Article 22726
From: sbeck1@prodigy.net
Date: 13 Aug 2003 03:20:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Deb wrote:
snipsnip
You have it -- carte blanche on the artwork for use on the website as you
described above. -- Steve
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Article 22727
From: sbeck@prodigy.net
Date: 13 Aug 2003 03:31:09 GMT
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
That was weird. Somehow my quoting of Deb's original message got reduced
to "snipsnip."
What I meant to say was something like this:
Deb wrote:
" I'd like to put elements from "Galactic Citizen" on our Heinlein
website (http://www.robertaheinlein.com), in a Heinlein Forum
section--...
STEVE BECK--I want carte blanche on your artwork, but would pretty
much emphasize those that weren't done specifically for Bytor's or
SIFI Rob's stories. "
You have it -- carte blanche on the artwork for use on the website as you
described above. -- Steve Beck
PS: When I first started posting here, the "reply" box would automatically
have the whole "[whoever] wrote:" etc. etc. text pasted in. But not any
more -- I have to cut and past quotes from up in the "original message"
box. I wonder why?
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Article 22728
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:44:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Steve: I just recently found my "reply" messages being truncated;
instead of including the entire quote.
I use Agent 1.9 (32 bit).
Ed J
On 13 Aug 2003 03:31:09 GMT, sbeck@prodigy.net wrote:
<snip>
.... for use on the website as you
>described above. -- Steve Beck
>
>PS: When I first started posting here, the "reply" box would automatically
>have the whole "[whoever] wrote:" etc. etc. text pasted in. But not any
>more -- I have to cut and past quotes from up in the "original message"
>box. I wonder why?
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Article 22729
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 03:58:03 GMT
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>You have it -- carte blanche on the artwork for use on the website as you
>described above. -- Steve
Thanks, Steve! I'll start working on the layouts and such over the
next couple weeks and say here when something new goes up. I want to
intertwine the artwork and poetry and such.
Do you have a website you'd like linked?
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22730
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 03:58:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Fine by me, permission given. As long as we retain some marketable
>form of web/print publication (not that I'm seriously shopping them
>around, but you never know.... ;)
Thanks, JT! And thanks for getting us in touch with Paul. He gave
his permission on that Butler article he and WJaKe wrote. Hopefully
he'll stop in and visit, too. I sent him the link to get here. As
ever, copyright stays yours and any time you want I'll take down
anything off the site you want me too.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22731
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 03:58:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>If you need anything, hardcopy or electronic versions of items, let me know
>and I will get you anything I can.
Thanks. And thanks for the okay on the Butler article. I'm going to
try to put that up pretty soon, but have several things going right
now, so maybe after WorldCon. I might cross-link it from the Civil War
site, too. I can OCR from the print 'zines pretty quickly--do you have
any back issues you're trying to sell? I can run links to your GC site
with mention of issues available if you want.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22732
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 03:58:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>You are welcome to use anything of mine. Don't know about the quality
>though.
>
Thank you. And I certainly thought the quality was first rate!
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22733
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 04:03:10 GMT
Subject: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Heinlein was right again. I keep thinking about the California
politics in "Friday" and the California politics in, well, California.
Can't decide which is the more extreme, unbelievable, circus-like
portrayal.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22734
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:45:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Oh please, tell me you and Geo and Audrey and Jim will keep us posted on the
madness that is the California recall election. And any other California
cobbers I may have missed.
I'll be interested to hear how you folks end up voting: butterfly ballot,
electronic machine, levers, whatever.
I'm not going to press anyone as to how they are voting, but I am interested
in your views of the main candidates, especially Ah-nuld and some of the
political types you would see in a normal election cycle.
Have fun all!
WJaKe
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
news:3f3b091e.118878798@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>
> Heinlein was right again. I keep thinking about the California
> politics in "Friday" and the California politics in, well, California.
> Can't decide which is the more extreme, unbelievable, circus-like
> portrayal.
>
> Deb (D.A. Houdek)
> http://www.dahoudek.com
> http://www.robertaheinlein.com
> http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22735
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:52:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com>
> site, too. I can OCR from the print 'zines pretty quickly--do you have
> any back issues you're trying to sell?
I have issues 9-16 in one electronic format or another (that I can still
read!) Issues 5-8 are more problematic, as they were done in various
different programs, with various degrees of readibility. I do have original
text and word files on much of the earlier stuff, if you have trouble
OCR'ing, let me know.
Yes I have back issues for sale. Link to JT's Galactic Citizen website. (JT,
the back issues link doesn't work!)
WJaKe
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Article 22736
From: Catherine Hampton
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 21:51:26 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 04:03:10 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
> Heinlein was right again. I keep thinking about the California
>politics in "Friday" and the California politics in, well, California.
>Can't decide which is the more extreme, unbelievable, circus-like
>portrayal.
"Friday", definitely. But Friday is also a *whole* lot more
entertaining, as anyone who has both read Friday and is participating
in California politics now can testify. :/
--
Ariel (aka Catherine Hampton) <ariel@tempest.boxmail.com>
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Article 22737
From: Filksinger"
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:29:59 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
William J. Keaton wrote:
> Oh please, tell me you and Geo and Audrey and Jim will keep us posted
> on the madness that is the California recall election.
Well, for starters, they have 247 candidates.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 22738
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 11:14:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in
>
> Well, for starters, they have 247 candidates.
>
Actually, today's news says there weill be 135 candidates on the ballot. 247
people did submit paperwork.
WJaKe
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Article 22739
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:28:28 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>I'm not going to press anyone as to how they are voting, but I am interested
>in your views of the main candidates, especially Ah-nuld and some of the
>political types you would see in a normal election cycle.
Well... my top pick thus far is Larry Flint. Why?, you might say
when the man gives me shivers of revulsion whenever he talks. He's the
_only_ one so far to say anything practical about the budget deficit
and how to solve it. And it's a simple and practical plan--let private
casinos have slots and tax the slots 30%. The man knows vices and the
revenue they'll bring in! And it's not putting a burden on an existing
area--creates a new revenue point with a built-in tax stream.
The media loves Arnold. I haven't seen any evidence amongst any
voting-type people that they were clamoring for him to run.
Can't believe Bill Simon is running again (Republican who ran
against Davis in the original election). He'd have won the first time
if he hadn't been such a complete and total idiot making such
numbskull blunders that were totally and solely his personal fault.
I was not too impressed with the recall business--thought it
frivolous--until the day Arnold announced, and Darrell Issa dropped
out crying, and the strippers started campaigning. Now I think it's
great fun and very entertaining.
I'm not sure the Republicans, meaning the party leadership, really
wanted this recall. Grey Davis was the best thing to happen to the
Republican party here in a long time. And with his performance here it
was pretty certain he'd never become US president. California is a
stepping-stone to the presidency and Arnold can't become president so
his political future is limited for them--but he can hurt their image
if he sucks as governor (which he probably will as no one, Rep. or
Dem., has any real idea of how to fix the budget and that's the sole,
huge issue).
As Democrats go, Cruz Bustamante seems okay. Sort of bland and
serious, but that's not a horrible thing in a governor. Minnesota's
Arne Carlson was that way, had been state auditor, and acted like an
accountant throughout--not exciting but a good trait in someone
running a state and its budget. Now to qualify, Davis is bland and
serious in the extreme, but he also has the politically ambitious
traits and pretentions that make him more like an Al Gore than an Arne
Carlson.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22740
From: Filksinger"
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:40:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
William J. Keaton wrote:
> "Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in
>>
>> Well, for starters, they have 247 candidates.
>>
>
> Actually, today's news says there weill be 135 candidates on the
> ballot. 247 people did submit paperwork.
I suspected as much, but the news report I got said 247 candidates, so....
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 22741
From: JT
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:48:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Yes I have back issues for sale. Link to JT's Galactic Citizen website. (JT,
>the back issues link doesn't work!)
>
>WJaKe
From my PC it does. ;) You're looking from
http://www.tildens.net/TGC/ , right? If I have missed something,
please give me a specific example, otherwise I did a verify locally
and it seems that everything is there, but I didn't check every link &
graphic in the sublists.
Anyway, email me privately with what you're having a problem with and
I can get it fixed over the weekend for sure.
JT
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Article 22742
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:14:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"JT" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote in message
news:oo7ojv81i9u0p5geu38t47j9qj20n10037@4ax.com...
>
> >Yes I have back issues for sale. Link to JT's Galactic Citizen website.
(JT,
> >the back issues link doesn't work!)
> >
> >WJaKe
>
> From my PC it does. ;) You're looking from
> http://www.tildens.net/TGC/ , right?
Flog me publically! I still had the prohosting site in my bookmarks!
Changed, all is well, I'm a dope!
etc. etc.
WJaKe
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Article 22743
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:19:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3f3be60a.0@news.sff.net...
> William J. Keaton wrote:
> > "Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in
> >>
> >> Well, for starters, they have 247 candidates.
> >>
> >
> > Actually, today's news says there weill be 135 candidates on the
> > ballot. 247 people did submit paperwork.
>
> I suspected as much, but the news report I got said 247 candidates, so....
>
It's been a moving target all week, I seem to remember Wednesday night being
when they hoped to finalize the ballot. So there you go folks. And I bet
there are no more than 7-10 people on the ballot that have _any_ kind of
name recognition statewide.
Does anyone have a full list? The blackout seems to have pushed the CA
election and everything else off the front page.
WJaKe
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Article 22744
From: Audrey Gifford
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 22:40:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Well, uh, I have been told that I am not adequately balanced in my views
on this....
Last August about ten of us (out of the crowd of about 300) stood in
Gray Davis's office while his flapper lied to our faces, and discovered
he had manipulated a bunch of people who had better things to do than
take a day off to go stage a media circus, then used that media circus
to manipulate his political opponents into passing a budget thing he
wanted (when HE was the one who told the state controller to stop the
payments - (an "unfortunate interpretation of the regulations!?"). So he
hurt thousands of handicapped kids all over the state so they would get
out on the capitol lawn (=on the tube) and force his opponents into
doing things.
We live in Sacramento. I work with about a hundred people, many of whom
are married to, golf with, room with, etc., the people who work in the
governer's office. They talk!!!! The stories of Davis's arrogance and
shameless manipulation of the electorate are endless. He thinks no more
of the voters than he does of his opponents - voters are, after all,
simply numbers that may be bought with the proper dose of nasty campign
ads.
So in comparison Arnie looks pretty good to me (Dianne would have been
better) - he seems to care about kids, anyway, and I don't think he is
as easily bought, and the leglsiature need someone who is NOT an insider
to deal with the juvenile behavior they have been pulling. (Running away
to avoid voting on the budget, having each other arrested for going in
the wrong libarary, etc.) Actually, Kindergarten teacher may have been a
good prep for him.
How many of you have actually been to an assembly or senate hearing?
Life has been so weird the last couple of years that I ended up there
three times in the last two years. It looks and feels way too much like
junior high.
It is astonishing what happens in this town. "Experience in politics" is
not a good thing from what I can see....and I see it way too closely
lately.
It's a zoo. But he's got to go. (And yes I know I am hopelessly naive
and all that, but this can't be tolerated quietly in the name of
politics as usual.)
Take care,
Audrey
William J. Keaton wrote:
> Oh please, tell me you and Geo and Audrey and Jim will keep us posted on the
> madness that is the California recall election. And any other California
> cobbers I may have missed.
>
> I'll be interested to hear how you folks end up voting: butterfly ballot,
> electronic machine, levers, whatever.
>
> I'm not going to press anyone as to how they are voting, but I am interested
> in your views of the main candidates, especially Ah-nuld and some of the
> political types you would see in a normal election cycle.
>
> Have fun all!
>
> WJaKe
>
> "Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
> news:3f3b091e.118878798@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>
>> Heinlein was right again. I keep thinking about the California
>>politics in "Friday" and the California politics in, well, California.
>>Can't decide which is the more extreme, unbelievable, circus-like
>>portrayal.
>>
>>Deb (D.A. Houdek)
>>http://www.dahoudek.com
>>http://www.robertaheinlein.com
>>http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
>
>
>
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Article 22745
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:12:48 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>The blackout seems to have pushed the CA
>election and everything else off the front page.
And my homepage--that website is hosted out of Toronto, along with
my primary email account. Little ripples even here where the power is
on.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22746
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 06:12:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Well, uh, I have been told that I am not adequately balanced in my views
>on this....
Can't imagine why you'd think you ought to be "adequately balanced"
in your views on any of this--certainly none of those involved are
even _slightly_ balanced in their views!
I'd always thought Davis was merely a dolt... you have me
reassessing that view--to the negative side.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22747
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:36:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:28:28 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
{snip}
> California is a
>stepping-stone to the presidency and Arnold can't become president so
>his political future is limited for them
{more snip}
Sure he can, just a small constitutional adjustment & there you go. If
Slick Willie can hope for one, don't see why Arnold can't.<G>
Fader
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Article 22748
From: David Wright"
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 07:44:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Fader" <fader555@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3f3cb6a9.64102243@news.sff.net...
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 19:28:28 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
> Rule) wrote:
>
> {snip}
> > California is a
> >stepping-stone to the presidency and Arnold can't become president so
> >his political future is limited for them
> {more snip}
>
> Sure he can, just a small constitutional adjustment & there you go. If
> Slick Willie can hope for one, don't see why Arnold can't.<G>
>
Maybe having a governor who is ineligible for president and therefore can't
jump ship for that particular reason might be a good thing. He certainly
can't be in it for the money, either. And then again, he might see it as an
extension to muscle power building :-)
--
David Wright
http://www.alltel.net/~dwrighsr/index.html
http://heinleinsociety.org
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Heinlein
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Article 22749
From: Catherine Hampton
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 18:27:53 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Right Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 00:19:30 -0400, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
>It's been a moving target all week, I seem to remember Wednesday night being
>when they hoped to finalize the ballot. So there you go folks. And I bet
>there are no more than 7-10 people on the ballot that have _any_ kind of
>name recognition statewide.
>
>Does anyone have a full list? The blackout seems to have pushed the CA
>election and everything else off the front page.
The San Francisco Chronicle does, and a link to info about each
candidate. It's here:
http://sfgate.com/gate/special/pages/2003/recall/
--
Ariel (aka Catherine Hampton) <ariel@tempest.boxmail.com>
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Article 22750
From: Filksinger"
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:40:55 -0700
Subject: Cracking passwords
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
For those of you interested in security, here's an article on a group that
claims to be able to crack most NT passwords in well under a minute, on one
desktop machine.
http://news.com.com/2100-1009_3-5053063.html
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 22751
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:12:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jai, I'm _very glad to hear that your tumor had not invaded beyond the
duct. Your chances for recovery are excellent.
As far as tamoxifen, this will only benefit you if the tumor was ER
positive (had estrogen receptor in the tumor cells). ER status is one of
the standard things the pathologist should've checked when the tumor was
removed, and your oncologist has probably explained this to you. The side
effects of tamoxifen are much more mild than standard chemotherapy, because
tamoxifen only hits the cells that need estrogen, not all the dividing
cells in your body. Mostly, the side effects are the same things that
happen naturally at menopause.
I hope this helps. Disclaimer: I'm not an oncologist, but through the end
of this month at least, I'm making a living doing breast cancer research,
so I'm up to date on the treatments. Good luck with your recovery,
whichever way you go!
E
Ed Johnson wrote:
> A 5 year course of Tamoxifin is SOP as far as I know following
> surgery. Eli should chime in if he knows something about this one.
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Article 22752
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:20:44 -0400
Subject: We're here!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Just a quick note to let everyone know that we arrived safely in
Greenville, South Carolina. (Yes, I know, we didn't exactly publicize
the move ahead of time.) Fortunately the home closings at both ends went
smoothly, and the rear wheel bearing on the UHaul didn't seize (it did
leak grease the whole say). We have the kitchen, bed room, and living
room mostly unpacked. I'm sure it'll be months before all the books are
out of boxes.
I'm using the new cable modem for the first time - sweet. Even better is
that Dani's company is paying for it, because she'll be telecommuting
for at least the next few months.
Sometime next week I should have new work and home email addresses.
They'll show up in the (currently nonexistent) sig.
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Article 22753
From: JT
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 15:23:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Cracking passwords
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 20:40:55 -0700, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>For those of you interested in security, here's an article on a group that
>claims to be able to crack most NT passwords in well under a minute, on one
>desktop machine.
>
>http://news.com.com/2100-1009_3-5053063.html
I read about this last week from one of the security lists I'm on. Of
course, I already had special characters in my password. ;)
JT
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Article 22754
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:02:32 -0400
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 8/1/03 5:58 PM, in article 3f2ae1d9.702324308@NEWS.SFF.NET, "Deb Houdek
Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote:
>
>> all alcohol is bad for you, it is a
>> bio-poison that you may be able to tolerate in different levels
>
> Being a bio-poison, does alcohol have the ability to kill things in
> the body--like some bacteria or viruses? If that's the case, it might
> be argued that some alcohol in the bloodstream does some good in
> certain instances, killing a bacteria with minimal damage to the host.
I have recent experience of the fact that something being a poison does NOT
necessarily mean it's "bad for you": Chemotherapy agents are NASTY poisons,
but they saved my daughter's life (or at least appear to have, so far <knock
wood>). Sound's like you're suggesting alcohol might function like chemo,
but on a much more modest scale.
All this reminds me of a joke: A man finds a lamp on a beach, rubs it, and
out pops a genie. Not surprisingly, the genie offers him three wishes, but
there's a catch: Whatever the man asks for, his mother-in-law will get
double. The man thinks for a minute, then says, "I want a wonderful mansion
right here on the beach." Poof! A beautiful mansion appears in front of
him... But two identical mansions appear next door. For his second wish, he
asks for $1 billion in gold bullion, and again, it appears, but $2 billion
appears on his mother-in-law's doorsteps next door. The genie says, "think
carefully; you're down to your last wish." The man look the genie in the eye
and says, "now I want you to beat me half to death." 8^)
[Disclaimer: I actually *LIKE* my MIL.]
-Bill
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Article 22755
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:03:55 -0400
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 8/1/03 8:41 PM, in article 3F2B08C3.3517240B@tmlp.com, "Eli Hestermann"
<ehestermann@tmlp.com> wrote:
> If you had enough alcohol in your blood to kill microorganisms, you'd
> already be dead.
Oh, well... So much for my analogy! But it did give me an excuse to tell
that joke.
-JovBill
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Article 22756
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2003 21:17:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 8/9/03 4:32 PM, in article 3f355856.3282582@news.sff.net, "Jai
Johnson-Pickett" <hf_jai@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Last January, I was diagnosed with the "Big C" <details snipped> Steeped in
feeling sorry for myself most likely. Probably a
> real joy for the family to put up with, but they did, God bless 'em.
Having been "the family" fairly recently, let me encourage you not to worry
about it: All you need to do for them is get well; if you can't feel sorry
for yourself in the bosom of your family, where can you? ;^)
I'm delighted to hear that you've come through so well so far; you'll be in
my thoughts and prayers as you continue your recovery.
-JovBill
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Article 22757
From: James R. Cunningham"
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:29:52 -0700
Subject: Heinlein Awards
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Will anyone be attending TorCon to see the presentaton of the first two
Heinlein Awards?
JimC
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Article 22758
From: JT
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:54:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Awards
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:29:52 -0700, "James R. Cunningham"
<jrccea@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Will anyone be attending TorCon to see the presentaton of the first two
>Heinlein Awards?
>JimC
No, but as a charter member of the Heinlein Society, I'd love to know
who will be receiving them. No mention of them on the web page, and
no email received in my inbox as to the fact. Since you mention
-two-, I assume you know, so spread the news! ;)
JT
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Article 22759
From: William Jennings"
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:44:06 -0500
Subject: Selling WWII Pulp w/uncollected Heinlein Story
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
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PIPER".
This is not a pristine, sell it on eBay for a fortune item, and since it =
has an uncollected Heinlein I'm rather hoping it finds a home with a =
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memorabilia.
Clicking here http://home.att.net/~geeairmoe/ takes you to my Gateway =
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I am also selling lots of battered but readable classic Hugo and Nebula =
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