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Article 19020
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:29:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Shoot Down
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
From the various news reports, I've heard some interesting things, in no
specific order:
US officials aboard the recon plane tried to get Peruvian official onboard
their plane to get the jet attack called off. The Peruvian official could
not talk directly to the Peruvian pilot.
COMMENT: Who has authority and control over this pilot, and what is their
communication channel? Shouldn't the person closest to the scene direct the
encounter, ie. the Peruvian official on the US plane?
The missionary plane and the jet were not using the same frequencies to talk
to each other.
COMMENT: The plane's pilot was used to flying in that area. Surely he was
aware that fighter pilots were being directed against suspected drug
flights. Shouldn't he have known what frequency to use? Surely the Peruvian
jet pilot should have known the civilian air-to-air freq!
A flight plan had been filed, it just hadn't been forwarded to the control
tower the Peruvians were trying to contact.
The plane's flight path was not typical of a drug plane. It was flying
around 4000 feet, much higher than an evasive pilot would dare. The plane
was following the river course, but only as an emergency landing option. (It
was a floatplane)
The Washington Post carried an account from a pilot who had endured an
interdiction in Peruvian airspace. He described the procedure used to
communicate between the planes. Accounts of this latest incident do not
indicate that these procedures were followed. but I've only heard the
shot-down pilot's story. (They came in guns a-blazin')
Just as an aside, many South American countries are instantly suspicious of
floatplanes and seaplanes, as they can land in so many places. Jimmy Buffett
flew his Grumman Albatross down to Brazil via Central America and the
Carribean a few years back, and gives many accounts of the problems he
encountered throughout the trip. Among those, the fact that they had to
guard the plane in many places, as the arms/drug smugglers were eyeing up
it's amphibious capabilities and cavernous cargo area. See his best-selling
book "A Pirate Looks at 50" for all the details.
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 19021
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:32:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Another HF addition.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"John Paul Vrolyk" <jp@vrolyk.org> wrote in message
news:3AE5FA8F.CD7A1285@vrolyk.org...
> John Paul and Leslie Vrolyk are proud to announce the birth
> of their first-born son, Jack Orion Vrolyk.
>
> Jack was born at 7:38pm, on Monday, April 23, 2001.
>
> He weighed in at 9lbs, 1oz, and was 20" long.
>
> Both mother and baby are recovering well from the rather
> traumatic experience.
>
Traumatic? Aside from the normal birth experience, I hope there were no
extraordinary difficulties. I hope Mother and Son are doing well, and
Congratulations!
Or was it Dad who had the traumatic experience? <g, d & r>
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 19022
From: John Paul Vrolyk <jp@vrolyk.org>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:00:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Another HF addition.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"William J. Keaton" wrote:
> > Both mother and baby are recovering well from the rather
> > traumatic experience.
> Traumatic? Aside from the normal birth experience, I hope there were no
> extraordinary difficulties. I hope Mother and Son are doing well, and
Well, actually, Jack's head was too big, and so he had
to be born by C-section. That usually qualifies as
"major surgery", and, thus, as traumatic. Nevertheless,
everyone involved is doing well now, though I wouldn't have
claimed that Monday night.
> Congratulations!
Thanks, WJake, and everyone else.
--
John Paul Vrolyk
jp@vrolyk.org
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Article 19023
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:49:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Another HF addition.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:00:50 -0400, John Paul Vrolyk <jp@vrolyk.org>
>Well, actually, Jack's head was too big, and so he had
>to be born by C-section. That usually qualifies as
>"major surgery", and, thus, as traumatic. Nevertheless,
>everyone involved is doing well now, though I wouldn't have
>claimed that Monday night.
>
>> Congratulations!
>
>Thanks, WJake, and everyone else.
>
Public congrats to the three of you! Christine is on the phone with
Les getting her perspective now, so I'm glad to hear Dad's side, too.
He's a precious one, all right. <Big Smile>
Why does it not surprise me that your son was born with a big head?
<G,D,&R VVF>
(For the record, Daniel was turned in the womb and had to be "set
straight" before he could be delivered, so you know he's a chip off
the old block, too. ;)
Welcome to the club, Dad!
--JT
JT
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Article 19024
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:42:24 -0700
Subject: Re: Shoot Down
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Charles Graft" <chasgraft@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3AE65620.63E484C3@aol.com...
<snip>
> If you have a strong stomach, check out "Mark of the Devil" available
on
> DVD.
1) I don't have DVD.
2) I have a reasonably strong stomach, but a distinct dislike for those
movies/books/etc. which would require me to have one. One of the reasons I'm
not into horror.
> * I am referring to the actual transaction between the retail buyer and
retail
> seller. The violence involved in the trade as a whole is another subject
and
> would disappear should the product be legalized.
A very important distinction to make. There is an enormous distinction
between the makers of Jack Daniels and Al Capone. There is also a difference
between those who would use force to enforce laws to try to stop something
they believe is a great danger to society and those who try to enforce laws
to control people and give themselves power. Even if the results are the
same, the _motivations_ are different, and motivation is of great
importance. Both of these are sometimes forgotten by
libertarians/anarchists/Objectivists with whom I have discussed these things
in the past.
Filksinger
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Article 19025
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:46:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Another HF addition.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Congratulations, John Paul and Leslie! Keep this up, and someday everyone
will remember how to spell your name....
Filksinger
"John Paul Vrolyk" <jp@vrolyk.org> wrote in message
news:3AE5FA8F.CD7A1285@vrolyk.org...
> John Paul and Leslie Vrolyk are proud to announce the birth
> of their first-born son, Jack Orion Vrolyk.
>
> Jack was born at 7:38pm, on Monday, April 23, 2001.
>
> He weighed in at 9lbs, 1oz, and was 20" long.
>
> Both mother and baby are recovering well from the rather
> traumatic experience.
>
> More information, and some pictures, can be found at
> young Jack's personal webpage:
> http://www.vrolyk.org/jack/
>
> --
> John Paul Vrolyk
> http://www.vrolyk.org/jp/
> jp@vrolyk.org
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Article 19026
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:01:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Another HF addition.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
John Paul & Les:
Congratulations! Jack looks so cute in your pictures.
`Glad that mother and son are recovering, I hope the baby lets you
all get some well deserved rest.
Ed J
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:13:35 -0400, John Paul Vrolyk <jp@vrolyk.org>
wrote:
>John Paul and Leslie Vrolyk are proud to announce the birth
>of their first-born son, Jack Orion Vrolyk.
>
>Jack was born at 7:38pm, on Monday, April 23, 2001.
>
>He weighed in at 9lbs, 1oz, and was 20" long.
>
>Both mother and baby are recovering well from the rather
>traumatic experience.
>
>More information, and some pictures, can be found at
>young Jack's personal webpage:
> http://www.vrolyk.org/jack/
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Article 19027
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:07:21 -0400
Subject: Hugo Ballot
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Nominations for Novel (381 nominating ballots, 205 nominees)
A Storm of Swords by George R.R. Martin (Voyager; Bantam Spectra)
Calculating God by Robert J. Sawyer (Tor)
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling (Bloomsbury;
Scholastic/Levine)
Midnight Robber by Nalo Hopkinson (Warner Aspect)
The Sky Road by Ken MacLeod (Orbit 1999; Tor 2000)
Nominations for Novella (229 nominating ballots, 50 nominees; 6
nominees due to a tie)
"A Roll of the Dice" by Catherine Asaro (Analog Jul/Aug 2000)
"Oracle" by Greg Egan (Asimov's Jul 2000)
"Radiant Green Star" by Lucius Shepard (Asimov's Aug 2000)
"Seventy-Two Letters" by Ted Chiang (Vanishing Acts: A Science Fiction
Anthology, Tor Jul 2000)
"The Retrieval Artist" by Kristine Kathryn Rusch (Analog Jun 2000)
"The Ultimate Earth" by Jack Williamson (Analog Dec 2000)
Nominations for Novellette (237 nominating ballots, 131 nominees)
"Agape Among the Robots" by Allen Steele (Analog May 2000; Imagination
Fully Dilated, Vol. 2, IFD Publishing May 2000)
"Generation Gap" by Stanley Schmidt (Artemis Spring 2000)
"Millennium Babies" by Kristine Kathryn Rusch (Asimov's Jan 2000)
"On the Orion Line" by Stephen Baxter (Asimov's Oct/Nov 2000)
"Redchapel" by Mike Resnick (Asimov's Dec 2000)
Nominations for Short Story (295 nominating ballots, 248 nominees)
"Different Kinds of Darkness" by David Langford (F&SF Jan 2000)
"Kaddish for the Last Survivor" by Michael A. Burstein (Analog Nov
2000)
"Moon Dogs" by Michael Swanwick (Moon Dogs, NESFA Press Feb 2000;
Asimov's Mar 2000)
"The Elephants on Neptune" by Mike Resnick (Asimov's May 2000)
"The Gravity Mine" by Stephen Baxter (Asimov's Apr 2000)
Nominations for Related Book (213 nominating ballots, 86 nominees)
Concordance to Cordwainer Smith, Third Edition by Anthony R. Lewis
(NESFA Press)
Greetings from Earth: The Art of Bob Eggleton by Bob Eggleton and
Nigel Suckling (Paper Tiger)
Putting It Together: Turning Sow's Ear Drafts Into Silk Purse Stories
Mike Resnick (Wildside Press)
Robert A. Heinlein: A Reader's Companion by James Gifford
(Nitrosyncretic Press)
Terry Pratchett: Guilty of Literature ed. by Andrew M. Butler, Edward
James and Farah Mendlesohn (The Science Fiction
Foundation)
Nominations for Dramatic Presentation (279 nominating ballots, 151
nominees)
Chicken Run
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
Frank Herbert's Dune
Frequency
X-Men
Nominations for Professional Editor (288 nominating ballots, 77
nominees)
Ellen Datlow
Gardner Dozois
David G. Hartwell
Stanley Schmidt
Gordon Van Gelder
Nominations for Professional Artist (246 nominating ballots, 145
nominees)
Jim Burns
Bob Eggleton
Frank Kelly Freas
Donato Giancola
Michael Whelan
Nominations for Semiprozine (241 nominating ballots, 56 nominees)
Interzone edited by David Pringle
Locus edited by Charles N. Brown
New York Review of Science Fiction edited by Kathryn Cramer, David G.
Hartwell, and Kevin Maroney
Science Fiction Chronicle edited by Andrew I. Porter
Speculations edited by Denise Lee and Susan Fry; published by Kent
Brewster
Nominations for Fanzine (194 nominating ballots, 90 nominees)
Challenger edited by Guy Lillian III
File 770 edited by Mike Glyer
Mimosa edited by Nicki and Richard Lynch
Plokta edited by Alison Scott, Steve Davies and Mike Scott
Stet edited by Dick Smith and Leah Zeldes Smith
Nominations for Fan Writer (201 nominating ballots, 134 nominees)
Bob Devney
Mike Glyer
Dave Langford
Evelyn C. Leeper
Steven H Silver
Nominations for Fan Artist (127 nominating ballots, 81 nominees)
Sheryl Birkhead
Brad Foster
Teddy Harvia
Sue Mason
Taral Wayne
Nominations for the John W. Campbell Award (201 nominating
ballots, 100 nominees)
James L. Cambias (1st year of eligibility)
Thomas Harlan (2nd year of eligibility)
Douglas Smith (2nd year of eligibility)
Kristine Smith (2nd year of eligibility)
Jo Walton (1st year of eligibility)
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 19028
From: David Wright" <dwrigsr@alltel.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:24:42 -0400
Subject: Reminder: Meeting of Heinlein Readers Group 4/26,28/2001
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
A reminder. The next meeting of the Heinlein Readers Group will take
place Thursday April 26,2001 at 9:00 P.M. EDT using AIM. The topic for
this meeting and the next one on Saturday April, 28, 2001 at 5:00 P.M.
EDT is 'Teachers in Heinlein'
Information on downloading AIM and joining the chat room is available at
http://www.alltel.net/~dwrighsr/heinlein.html
Click on the Introduction Link.
Archives of previous discussions may also be found on the same page.
Come join us.
David Wright
--
Related Heinlein Web Pages
http://www.heinleinsociety.org/
http://readinggroupsonline.com/group/robertaheinlein.html
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Article 19029
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:16:55 GMT
Subject: college
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
After much thought (and visits to each school), I have finally
registered for CalPoly San Luis Obispo. My two main choices were UC
Santa Cruz and CalPoly. UC Santa Cruz was also quite impressive but
the atmosphere was so relaxed that I tend to think I'd be too prone to
blowing off work. CalPoly appeared (and sounded, based on what the
other students told me) to be the better choice for myself (I do tend
to have issues with diligence).
I shall be majoring in physics, and I hope to minor in Spanish.
Just thought that might be of some note...
Bob
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
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Article 19030
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:21:55 GMT
Subject: Re: bragging righs
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I thought some people might be interested in knowing how the
applicatons finally panned out.
Accepted:
CalPoly SLO
UC Santa Cruz
UC Riverside
Whitman College (oddly enough, they accepted me for the spring
semester and not the fall)
and a small little Adventist College called Pacific Union College.
particularly peculiar since I did not apply there; however, methinks
my school sent them my info.
Denied:
Occidental College
Pomona College
UC Berkeley
UC Irvine
UC Santa Barbara
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
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Article 19031
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:22:49 GMT
Subject: Re: bragging righs
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
That was redundant. Pardon me.
>and a small little
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
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Article 19032
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 22:43:44 -0500
Subject: The Flowered Tundermug
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
All--
There was some discussion a few months ago about the story "The Flowered
Thundermug" by Alfred Bester and some people asked where it can be
found. It is on line at:
http://moshkow.mslu.unibel.by/Library/koi/BESTER/vase.txt
I have no idea what the copyright status is on it and am giving
this only as information.
A highly recommended story.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with
enthusiasm.-- Vince Lombardi
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Article 19033
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 02:44:25 -0400
Subject: Re: bragging righs
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Bob Lawson" <bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com> wrote
> I thought some people might be interested in knowing how the
> applicatons finally panned out.
> Accepted:
> CalPoly SLO
> UC Santa Cruz
I still say, Go Banana Slugs!
> UC Riverside
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 19034
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:18:21 -0700
Subject: A Joke
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Here's another minor variant on an oldie but a goodie.
Bill Clinton, Heidi Klum, Janet Reno, and George W. Bush are sitting
together on a train. The train goes through a tunnel, and everyone
hears a loud "smack!" in the darkness. When they come out of the
tunnel, Clinton has a red mark on his face.
Janet Reno thinks, "Good for her!"
Heidi Klum thinks, "Clinton must have a thing for Janet Reno. Who'd
have thought?"
Clinton thinks, "Are all those stories about Janet true after all, or
did Bush just make a grab at Heidi Klum?"
Bush thinks, "I hope we go through another tunnel so I can hit Clinton
again."
Filksinger
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Article 19035
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:36:35 -0700
Subject: Bourne Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
This September, the first in a three movie series, based upon the
"Bourne" novels by Ludlum, is due out. Since I noticed that some
people mentioned liking Tom Clancy, I figured that there would also be
interest in these three books.
The first one, "The Bourne Identity", is half Clancy, half Hitchcock.
The main character has amnesia due to a bullet to the head, and has no
real idea of what is going on. He spends the book half hoping to find
out the truth, and half terrified that he will, as all the evidence
suggests that he is a criminal, and probably an assassin, hunted by
the man who he would replace as the deadliest man in Europe. The next
two novels continue on much the same course, but with more intrigue
and less outright mystery.
Regardless, if this sounds remotely interesting, I heartily recommend
"The Bourne Identity", "The Bourne Supremacy", and "The Bourne
Ultimatum". Classic Ludlum, and well worth the reading. Knowing this
group, I don't expect the 1500 page size to make anyone so much as
pause.
Filksinger
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Article 19036
From: Sames" <lastdreamer@email.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:22:43 +0200
Subject: Re: Hugo Ballot
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
An interesting thing is that Heinlein is connected with at least four
nominations this year (taking into account the RetroHugo1951):
Hugo2001, Related Book:
Robert A. Heinlein: A Reader's Companion by James Gifford
RetroHugo 1951, Dramatic Presentation:
Destination Moon
RetroHugo 1951, Novel:
Farmer in the Sky by Robert A. Heinlein
RetroHugo 1951, Novella:
"The Man Who Sold the Moon" by Robert A. Heinlein
Sames
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Article 19037
From: David Wright" <maikosht@alltel.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:25:16 -0400
Subject: German Translation Question
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hi Sames!
As I recall you are German. Would you mind if I asked you a question about a
German translation thing. I am currently reading the German version of 'The
Past Through Tomorrow' called 'Methusalems Kinder'. (Odd choice of title, I
think, although that story is included). There is a section in the story 'We
also Walk Dogs' where the English says 'other people don't count' meaning
that, in this context, that other people are simply left out of
consideration. The German says ''...Leute zaehlen nicht". to me, this means
to count things such as money, or whatever. The english is somewhat of an
idiomatic phrase, and in this context doesn't require a direct object
unlike its more normal usage which does require a direct object. Does German
actually use this verb with the same idiomatic meaning. If I had not known
the original, I would have thought that it would have implied not being able
or willing to count. I am far from an expert speaker of German and rely
heavily on my knowledge of RAH's works to help me get through the German.
Thanks in advance
David Wright
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Article 19038
From: Eli Hestermann <Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:55:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Another HF addition.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Somewhat belated congratulations from here, as well.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa." -Seneca
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Article 19039
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:43:20 -0700
Subject: Re: Bourne Again
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3ae92196.0@news.sff.net...
<snip>
> Knowing this
> group, I don't expect the 1500 page size to make anyone so much as
> pause.
Uh, 500 pages. Augh.
Filksinger
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Article 19040
From: James Gifford <jgifford@rcsis.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:44:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Hugo Ballot
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Sames wrote:
> An interesting thing is that Heinlein is connected with at least four
> nominations this year (taking into account the RetroHugo1951):
>
> Hugo2001, Related Book:
> Robert A. Heinlein: A Reader's Companion by James Gifford
>
> RetroHugo 1951, Dramatic Presentation:
> Destination Moon
>
> RetroHugo 1951, Novel:
> Farmer in the Sky by Robert A. Heinlein
>
> RetroHugo 1951, Novella:
> "The Man Who Sold the Moon" by Robert A. Heinlein
Rah, rah, rah, RAH? :)
--
| James Gifford - Nitrosyncretic Press - gifford@nitrosyncretic.com |
| See http://www.nitrosyncretic.com for the Heinlein FAQ & more |
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Article 19041
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:54:27 GMT
Subject: Re: bragging righs
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
As do I, they're great lightly braised...
>> UC Santa Cruz
>
>I still say, Go Banana Slugs!
>
I'm guessing, are you an alumnus of some sort?
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
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Article 19042
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:38:54 -0400
Subject: Re: bragging righs
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Bob Lawson" <bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com> wrote
> As do I, they're great lightly braised...
> >> UC Santa Cruz
> >
> >I still say, Go Banana Slugs!
> >
> I'm guessing, are you an alumnus of some sort?
No, I went to Beloit College in Beloit Wisconsin. We were the Buccaneers for
some reason.
Luckily we had a cool unofficial mascot, the fierce Turtle!
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 19043
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:40:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Hugo Ballot
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Sames" <lastdreamer@email.com> wrote ...
> An interesting thing is that Heinlein is connected with at least four
> nominations this year (taking into account the RetroHugo1951):
>
Thanks for mentioning the Retro Hugos, I'll have to go find that list!
Unless you have it handy.
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 19044
From: James Gifford <jgifford@rcsis.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:51:14 -0700
Subject: Thoughts from _Have Space Suit: Will Travel_
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"The idea that any rich man could just lay cash on the line and _go_ was
more than I could stand."
Damn you, Dennis Tito.
--
| James Gifford - Nitrosyncretic Press - gifford@nitrosyncretic.com |
| See http://www.nitrosyncretic.com for the Heinlein FAQ & more |
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Article 19045
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:27:06 -0700
Subject: Re: Thoughts from _Have Space Suit: Will Travel_
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"James Gifford" <jgifford@rcsis.com> wrote in message
news:3AEA5A52.A0A20CBE@rcsis.com...
>
> "The idea that any rich man could just lay cash on the line and _go_
was
> more than I could stand."
>
> Damn you, Dennis Tito.
I hadn't heard. I guess this means he goes? Or is it 'has gone'?
Filksinger
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Article 19046
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 04:18:28 -0500
Subject: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
All--
But especially those up on astronomy --
I am in need of knowing the period from one full moon to another
for a calendar program I am working on. Can anybody give that to me
to 10 or so decimal places (in days; or days, hours, minutes, and
seconds or some combination ). I tried getting it from the net and got
buried in unusable information, but I did use 1998 and 2001 full moon
day/times to get an approximation.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with
enthusiasm.-- Vince Lombardi
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Article 19047
From: Sames" <lastdreamer@email.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:22:55 +0200
Subject: Re: Hugo Ballot
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Retro Hugo 1951
# Nominations for Novel (111 nominating ballots, 30 nominees)
The Dying Earth by Jack Vance (Hillman)
Farmer in the Sky by Robert A. Heinlein (Scribner's)
First Lensman by Edward E. Smith, Ph.D. (Fantasy Press)
Pebble in the Sky by Isaac Asimov (Doubleday)
The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis (Geoffrey Bles)
# Nominations for Novella (73 nominating ballots, 19 nominees)
"...And Now You Don't" by Isaac Asimov (Astounding Science Fiction Nov
1949 - Jan 1950)
"The Dreaming Jewels" by Theodore Sturgeon (Fantastic Adventures Feb
1950)
"The Last Enemy" by H Beam Piper (Astounding Science Fiction Aug 1950)
"The Man Who Sold the Moon" by Robert A. Heinlein (The Man Who Sold
the Moon, Shasta Publishers)
"To the Stars" by L. Ron Hubbard (Astounding Science Fiction Feb-Mar
1950)
# Nominations for Novellette (73 nominating ballots, 32 nominees)
"Dear Devil" by Eric Frank Russell (Other Worlds May 1950)
"Okie" by James Blish (Astounding Science Fiction Apr 1950)
"Scanners Live in Vain" by Cordwainer Smith (Fantasy Book #6)
"The Helping Hand" by Poul Anderson (Astounding Science Fiction May
1950)
"The Little Black Bag" by C.M. Kornbluth (Astounding Science Fiction
Jul 1950)
# Nominations for Short Story (100 nominating ballots, 64 nominees)
"A Subway Named Mobius" by A.J. Deutsch (Astounding Science Fiction
Dec 1950)
"Born of Man and Woman" by Richard Matheson (F&SF Summer 1950)
"Coming Attractions" by Fritz Leiber (Galaxy Nov 1950)
"The Gnurrs Come from the VoodVork Out" by Reginald Bretnor (F&SF
Winter-Spring 1950)
"To Serve Man" by Damon Knight (Galaxy Nov 1950)
# Nominations for Related Book (9 nominating ballots, 10 nominees)
Category has been dropped due to insufficient response
# Nominations for Dramatic Presentation (88 nominating ballots, 30
nominees)
Cinderella
Destination Moon
Harvey
Rabbit of Seville
Rocketship X-M
# Nominations for Professional Editor (64 nominating ballots, 21
nominees)
Anthony Boucher
John W. Campbell, Jr.
Groff Conklin
H.L. Gold
J. Francis McComas
# Nominations for Professional Artist (49 nominating ballots, 31
nominees)
Hannes Bok
Chesley Bonestell
Edd Cartier
Virgil Finlay
Frank Kelly Freas
# Nominations for Semiprozine (4 nominating ballots, 8 nominees)
Category was dropped due to insufficient response
# Nominations for Fanzine (36 nominating ballots, 26 nominees; 6
nominees due to a tie)
Quandry
Science Fiction Newsletter
Skyhook
Slant
Spacewarp
The Fanscient
# Nominations for Fan Writer (38 nominating ballots, 29 nominees)
Lee Hoffman
Bob Silverberg
Robert "Bob" Wilson Tucker
James White
Walt Willis
# Nominations for Fan Artist (30 nominating ballots, 20 nominees)
Jack Gaughan
Lee Hoffman
Ray Nelson
Bill Rotsler
James White
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Article 19048
From: Sames" <lastdreamer@email.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:22:57 +0200
Subject: Re: German Translation Question
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Actually "etwas oder jemand zaehlt nicht" has the meaning of
"something or somebody doesn't count". Of course you could use it to
express that somebody does not say "1,2,3,4,5,6,7..." ;) but usually
one expresses the unimportance of somebody/something with that phrase.
But sometimes translators mix things up and one has to re-translate it
into English to understand it's meaning. That often happens when an
English idiom has a double meaning, but the appropriate German
translation does not have this double meaning. The same thing of
course happens in English translations of German books. Well, I guess
languages are not 100% compatible.
Sames
On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:25:16 -0400, "David Wright"
<maikosht@alltel.net> wrote:
>Hi Sames!
>
>As I recall you are German. Would you mind if I asked you a question about a
>German translation thing. I am currently reading the German version of 'The
>Past Through Tomorrow' called 'Methusalems Kinder'. (Odd choice of title, I
>think, although that story is included). There is a section in the story 'We
>also Walk Dogs' where the English says 'other people don't count' meaning
>that, in this context, that other people are simply left out of
>consideration. The German says ''...Leute zaehlen nicht". to me, this means
>to count things such as money, or whatever. The english is somewhat of an
>idiomatic phrase, and in this context doesn't require a direct object
>unlike its more normal usage which does require a direct object. Does German
>actually use this verb with the same idiomatic meaning. If I had not known
>the original, I would have thought that it would have implied not being able
>or willing to count. I am far from an expert speaker of German and rely
>heavily on my knowledge of RAH's works to help me get through the German.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>David Wright
>
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Article 19049
From: David Wright" <dwrigsr@alltel.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:45:49 -0400
Subject: Re: German Translation Question
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Sames" <lastdreamer@email.com> wrote in message
news:Y4vqOvV46hshRXkWOKQ6Q6cxgByp@4ax.com...
> Actually "etwas oder jemand zaehlt nicht" has the meaning of
> "something or somebody doesn't count". Of course you could use it to
> express that somebody does not say "1,2,3,4,5,6,7..." ;) but usually
> one expresses the unimportance of somebody/something with that phrase.
>
Danke Schoen. That is exactly the answer I was looking for. I was a little
suprprised to see that the same somewhat idiomatic meaning was the same in
both languages.
>
> But sometimes translators mix things up and one has to re-translate it
> into English to understand it's meaning. That often happens when an
> English idiom has a double meaning, but the appropriate German
> translation does not have this double meaning. The same thing of
> course happens in English translations of German books. Well, I guess
> languages are not 100% compatible.
That's putting it mildly. Even for ones as closely related as English and
German.
(snip)
David Wright
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Article 19050
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:53:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Thoughts from _Have Space Suit: Will Travel_
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filksinger wrote:
> "James Gifford" <jgifford@rcsis.com> wrote in message
> news:3AEA5A52.A0A20CBE@rcsis.com...
> >
> > "The idea that any rich man could just lay cash on the line and _go_
> was
> > more than I could stand."
> >
> > Damn you, Dennis Tito.
>
> I hadn't heard. I guess this means he goes? Or is it 'has gone'?
>
> Filksinger
From what I just read as I logged on, he has gone. I think it's great
though; it sets a precedent. At the moment it's just ever so slightly
outside the family holiday budget <g> but if it continues, as always, the
price will come down. If there is a perceived market for tourism then
arrangements will eventually be made.
The training is more of a handicap than the price; most millionaires are
busy making money and he trained for a long time. This commitment would
put off people just keen for the experience rather than obsessed with it.
Jane
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Article 19051
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:09:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Thoughts from _Have Space Suit: Will Travel_
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jane: Let me second that. I too think that it's great that the
first tourist has gone into space. I know that the price will come
down - but I have no idea how long it will take to come down.
Twenty million dollars and months of Russian Cosmonaut training is
way too high for almost any enthusiast on earth!
Does anyone have even a wild guess as to how long it might take for
the price to drop to $1,000,000.00 per tourist? When it gets below
that figure radio or TV shows might start giving away 'Weekends in
Space' as prizes in contests. . . . . Heinlein and others in
the `50's envisioned workmen (tradesmen no different that they who
build ships or planes) building the first space stations, not
trained astronauts. Does anyone foresee that happening in the next
10 or 20 years?
Ed J
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:53:57 -0400, ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
wrote:
>Filksinger wrote:
>
>> "James Gifford" <jgifford@rcsis.com> wrote in message
>> news:3AEA5A52.A0A20CBE@rcsis.com...
>> >
>> > "The idea that any rich man could just lay cash on the line and _go_
>> was
>> > more than I could stand."
>> >
>> > Damn you, Dennis Tito.
>>
>> I hadn't heard. I guess this means he goes? Or is it 'has gone'?
>>
>> Filksinger
>
>From what I just read as I logged on, he has gone. I think it's great
>though; it sets a precedent. At the moment it's just ever so slightly
>outside the family holiday budget <g> but if it continues, as always, the
>price will come down. If there is a perceived market for tourism then
>arrangements will eventually be made.
>
>The training is more of a handicap than the price; most millionaires are
>busy making money and he trained for a long time. This commitment would
>put off people just keen for the experience rather than obsessed with it.
>
>Jane
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Article 19052
From: David Wright" <maikosht@alltel.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:27:03 -0400
Subject: Heinlein Readers Group Log 04-26-2001 Now Available
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The log for the last meeting on Thursday 4/26/2001 at 9:00 P.M. EDT of
the Heinlein Readers Group Discussion is now available:
http://dwrighsr.tripod.com/heinlein/TEACH_AIM-04-26-01-2001.html
The topic of discussion was 'Teachers In Heinlein'
--
Related Heinlein Web Pages
http://www.heinleinsociety.org/
http://readinggroupsonline.com/group/robertaheinlein.html
http://www.alltel.net/~dwrighsr/heinlein.html
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Article 19053
From: Bill Dauphin <"dauphinb"@ix.netcom.com@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 14:58:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Surprised you didn't find this info on any number of astronomy-related
sites. Even deep-sky astronomers with no interest in obersving the Moon
keep track of its phases... as when it's full, it's hard to observe much of
anything else!
-Bill
Charles Graft wrote:
> All--
> But especially those up on astronomy --
>
> I am in need of knowing the period from one full moon to another
> for a calendar program I am working on. Can anybody give that to me
> to 10 or so decimal places (in days; or days, hours, minutes, and
> seconds or some combination ). I tried getting it from the net and got
> buried in unusable information, but I did use 1998 and 2001 full moon
> day/times to get an approximation.
>
> --
> <<Big Charlie>>
>
> If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with
> enthusiasm.-- Vince Lombardi
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Article 19054
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 00:08:49 GMT
Subject: Re: college
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 23:16:55 GMT, bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob
Lawson) wrote:
>I shall be majoring in physics, and I hope to minor in Spanish.
>Just thought that might be of some note...
>Bob
My best advice: remember to take a course or two just because they
sounded interesting. Of course, this is coming from the guy who
thought he was going to major in Physics and ended up with an English
degree. ;) (I found out I didn't really like Math all that well. I
made the right choice for me. After reading here, I figure Filk got
my share of the Math gene. <VBG>)
Congrats! Now that your decision's made, enjoy the rest of high
school.
JT
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Article 19055
From: LORRITA MORGAN" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 22:31:50 -0700
Subject: Re: bragging righs
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Bob Lawson" <bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com> wrote in message
news:3ae8ad05.657674@news.sff.net...
> I thought some people might be interested in knowing how the
> applicatons finally panned out.
> Accepted:
> Whitman College
<snipping applied>
Is that the little Presbyterian College in my backyard? Mascot's the
Fighting Missionaries? I've heard it's a good school. They had a good
library, excellent music program, and passable theater arts program when I
was in high school. The Greeks have been a bit rowdy this year. You can
live in Walla Walla and not even know the college or its students are even
there.
--
Later,
`rita
Almost live from Finley, WA.
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Article 19056
From: D.S.Higginbotham" <ke4lfg@amsat.org>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 14:43:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Thoughts from _Have Space Suit: Will Travel_
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filksinger wrote in message <3aea70cf.0@news.sff.net>...
>I hadn't heard. I guess this means he goes? Or is it 'has gone'?
Here is the news itee reported in the 4/27 AARL newsletter:
==>ISS PARTNERS GRANT FLIGHT EXEMPTION FOR DENNIS TITO, KG6FZX
The International Space Station Partnership has granted an exemption for the
flight of American businessman Dennis Tito, KG6FZX, to the ISS aboard a
Russian Soyuz 2 taxi mission. Russia already had given Tito the go ahead to
visit the ISS as part of a three-man team on the 10-day Soyuz mission,
scheduled to begin April 28. NASA has extended the shuttle Endeavour visit
to the ISS by at least a day as the space station crew resolves computer
problems and recommended that Russia postpone the Soyuz mission.
A NASA statement said that following "intense and extensive consultations"
among all space station partners, the Multilateral Coordination Board
"achieved consensus on the proposed Tito flight." A former Jet Propulsion
Lab engineer, Tito, 61, reportedly has agreed to pay the Russian space
program $20 million for the privilege of becoming the first "space tourist."
The public relations value of Tito's imminent visit was not lost on the
Board. "It is understood that Mr. Tito will contribute to the formation of
positive public opinion about the ISS program and the ISS partnership," its
meeting report concluded.
There are conditions to Tito's visit. He reportedly has agreed that neither
he nor his heirs will hold NASA liable for anything that might happen to him
on board and that he will pay for anything he might damage. A NASA task
force has recommended that Tito have an astronaut escort to visit the US
sectors of the ISS and that he sleep near the Soyuz escape vehicle in case
an emergency arises.
During Tito's visit, the crew of Russian Commander Yury Usachev, UA9AD, and
US astronauts Susan Helms, KC7NHZ, and Jim Voss, is expected to adopt a
minimal work routine and maintenance schedule.
Initially, NASA had vigorously opposed allowing Tito to fly to the ISS at
this time and had suggested putting the mission off until later this year.
NASA said the Board agreed that no ISS partner would propose to fly another
"non-professional crewmember" until the ISS partnership had finalized and
adopted detailed crew criteria. Those criteria are to be in place by June.
Tito has been in Russia training to go into space. He took and passed the
Technician exam earlier this month.
NASA sources have said that Tito will have access to the ARISS amateur gear
on a "non-interference basis"--meaning that he must not interfere with the
crew's work or sleep schedules. At this point, the ham gear is installed in
the module that doubles as sleeping quarters for some of the crew. Tito is
not scheduled to be involved in any ARISS school contacts--such QSOs
normally are not scheduled during docked operations anyway, because the crew
is too busy--but it's expected that he may use ham radio to keep in touch
with his family. He's also indicated a preference for packet over FM voice.
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Article 19057
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 18:23:33 -0700
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Charles Graft" <chasgraft@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3AEA8AE4.9C1C1920@aol.com...
> All--
> But especially those up on astronomy --
>
> I am in need of knowing the period from one full moon to another
> for a calendar program I am working on. Can anybody give that to me
> to 10 or so decimal places (in days; or days, hours, minutes, and
> seconds or some combination ). I tried getting it from the net and got
> buried in unusable information, but I did use 1998 and 2001 full moon
> day/times to get an approximation.
The synodic period for the Earth's Moon as seen from Earth is 29 days, 12
hours, 44 min, 1.78 sec.
Hope that helps.:)
Filksinger
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Article 19058
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:44:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bill--
I got swamped with so much data or how to order books with that
kind of information and so much other information I could not find what
I simply needed.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with
enthusiasm.-- Vince Lombardi
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Article 19059
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 21:46:02 -0500
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Thanks, Filksinger. That should do it; it's what I needed. Can you
give me a full moon time to that accuracy? (in Greenwich or whatever
time zone; )
--
<<Big Charlie>>
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with
enthusiasm.-- Vince Lombardi
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Article 19060
From: debrule@jps.net (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 04:11:10 GMT
Subject: Heinlein Web site ring
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I started a new Heinlein net ring, which you can see on my Heinlein
page at http://www.dahoudek.com/heinlein . It doesn't go anywhere yet
as mine is the only site linked so far. If you have or know of a site
I should invite, please let me know. I looked through the listings on
the Boomis page/ring (which isn't really a ring and has those
obnoxious frames) and found it really tough to sort out the sites that
didn't actually involve major copyright infringements, so I could use
recommendations. Thanks.
JT? Jim? If you'd like to link your sites just hit the "join"
button.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 19061
From: SpaceCadet <cadozo@planet-save.com>
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 06:30:27 -0500
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Charles Graft wrote:
>
> All--
> But especially those up on astronomy --
>
> I am in need of knowing the period from one full moon to another
> for a calendar program I am working on. Can anybody give that to me
> to 10 or so decimal places (in days; or days, hours, minutes, and
> seconds or some combination ).
http://itss.raytheon.com/cafe/qadir/q2780.html
A true synodic month is 29.5305882 days of the (
29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes 2.8 seconds). All
phase calculations are based on exact time not on
time zone. Use Universal Time and do the
calculations, you should get the synodic period
exactly. For local time, you have to convert from
UT to your actual local time by correcting for
your longitude relative to Greenwich
http://www.cs.ruu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/astronomy/faq/part3.html
(Good site)
UT (Universal time): Defined by the Earth's
rotation and determined by astronomical
observations. This time scale is slightly
irregular. There are several different definitions
of UT, but the difference between them is always
less than about 0.03 s. Usually one means UT2 when
saying UT. UT2 is UT corrected for pole wandering
and seasonal
variations in the Earth's rotational speed.
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=54894
The synodic month, or complete cycle of phases of
the Moon as seen from Earth, averages 29.530588
mean solar days in length (i.e., 29 days 12 hours
44 minutes 3 seconds); because of perturbations in
the Moon's orbit, the lengths of all astronomical
months vary slightly.
http://www.astro.wesleyan.edu/~bill/courses/astr107/wes_only/Lectures/lecture5.html
Rotational locking of Earth is proceeding - we are
gradually slowing down, but length
of day is growing only by about 0.01 secs each
century! However, this does lead to the
phenomenon of the "leap second".
Carol
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Article 19062
From: Francesco Spreafico" <laz@libero.it>
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 14:58:06 +0200
Subject: Re: Heinlein Web site ring
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@jps.net> ha scritto:
> as mine is the only site linked so far. If you have or know of a site
> I should invite, please let me know. I looked through the listings on
> the Boomis page/ring (which isn't really a ring and has those
> obnoxious frames) and found it really tough to sort out the sites that
> didn't actually involve major copyright infringements, so I could use
> recommendations. Thanks.
Mine, I think, unless membership's restricted to sites in English :-)
No copyright infringements on my site anyway... and btw, I have lots of
good sites (with no (c) infringements) in my bookmarks, if you want I can
list them here so you can look at them and see if you want to invite them.
But, has the "ring code" to be put on the main page or can it be put
elsewhere (for example in a links page)? Because I want to keep my main
page as light as can be.
--
Francesco
http://heinlein.cjb.net - RAH in Italian
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Article 19063
From: Dean White" <WhiteD@telepath.com>
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 11:13:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Charles Graft" <chasgraft@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3AEE236A.2F214710@aol.com...
> Thanks, Filksinger. That should do it; it's what I needed. Can you
> give me a full moon time to that accuracy? (in Greenwich or whatever
> time zone; )
>
> --
> <<Big Charlie>>
>
> If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with
> enthusiasm.-- Vince Lombardi
>
>
I have an old DOS program that will list the Moon's ephemeris data for any
date and location for the next 200 years. I can have it list the data if
you want, all that's needed is the date, latitude and longitude.
--
Dean White
www.DeanWhite.net
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Article 19064
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:44:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Charles Graft" <chasgraft@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3AEE236A.2F214710@aol.com...
> Thanks, Filksinger. That should do it; it's what I needed. Can you
> give me a full moon time to that accuracy? (in Greenwich or whatever
> time zone; )
>
You mean, the time between two full moons? That's it right there. The
synodic period is how long it takes for an orbiting object to appear to be
in the same position in its orbit to the observer. In this case, the
observer is on Earth, and "the same position in its orbit" is the same as
"beginning of a full moon".
Now, if you want to know how long it is from the end of one full moon to the
beginning of the next, that is variable, and I really don't know the average
or the upper and lower limits.
Filksinger
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Article 19065
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 10:47:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"SpaceCadet" <cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote in message
news:3AEE9E53.989A1F74@planet-save.com...
<snip>
> http://itss.raytheon.com/cafe/qadir/q2780.html
> A true synodic month is 29.5305882 days of the (
> 29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes 2.8 seconds). All
> phase calculations are based on exact time not on
> time zone. Use Universal Time and do the
> calculations, you should get the synodic period
> exactly. For local time, you have to convert from
> UT to your actual local time by correcting for
> your longitude relative to Greenwich
<snip>
> http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=54894
> The synodic month, or complete cycle of phases of
> the Moon as seen from Earth, averages 29.530588
> mean solar days in length (i.e., 29 days 12 hours
> 44 minutes 3 seconds); because of perturbations in
> the Moon's orbit, the lengths of all astronomical
> months vary slightly.
>
Odd that both of your answers are the same within the limits of accuracy,
and one second longer than mine. I suspect that mine is inaccurate, as I did
not actually test it for accuracy beyond days, hours, and minutes.
Filksinger
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Article 19066
From: noone" <no_one@home>
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 18:00:19 -0000
Subject: Re: Another HF addition.
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
a bit late but congratulations and best wishes to you and your lady
"gunner"
"John Paul Vrolyk" <jp@vrolyk.org> wrote in message
news:3AE5FA8F.CD7A1285@vrolyk.org...
> John Paul and Leslie Vrolyk are proud to announce the birth
> of their first-born son, Jack Orion Vrolyk.
>
> Jack was born at 7:38pm, on Monday, April 23, 2001.
>
> He weighed in at 9lbs, 1oz, and was 20" long.
>
> Both mother and baby are recovering well from the rather
> traumatic experience.
>
> More information, and some pictures, can be found at
> young Jack's personal webpage:
> http://www.vrolyk.org/jack/
>
> --
> John Paul Vrolyk
> http://www.vrolyk.org/jp/
> jp@vrolyk.org
>
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Article 19067
From: SpaceCadet <cadozo@planet-save.com>
Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 19:40:52 -0500
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filksinger wrote:
>
> "SpaceCadet" <cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote in a message...<snip>
>
> Odd that both of your answers are the same within the limits of accuracy,
> and one second longer than mine. I suspect that mine is inaccurate, as I did
> not actually test it for accuracy beyond days, hours, and minutes.
>
> Filksinger
Yeah, Filk, but I didn't test mine at all. I just
cut and pasted them off the web.
Carol
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Article 19068
From: kevin mcgillicuddy" <kmcgillicuddy@austin.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 1 May 2001 22:12:37 -0500
Subject: Re: Thoughts from _Have Space Suit: Will Travel_
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"D.S.Higginbotham" <ke4lfg@amsat.org> wrote in message
news:3aedc321.0@news.sff.net...
>
snip
> NASA sources have said that Tito will have access to the ARISS amateur
gear
> on a "non-interference basis"--meaning that he must not interfere with the
> crew's work or sleep schedules. >
>
Sure hope there aren't any students up in orbit...
McKevin
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Article 19069
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:24:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Thanks, Filksinger and Carol--
Either of the periods you gave me should be accurate enough (I came
up with 29.5305761574074 days for the period) (Compared to Carol's
29.5305882 days) but I need the time of a full (or new) moon in EST,
Greenwich, or other to use as a reference point.
Is the difference due to the difference in data?? BRB -- using
Carol's data, I get 29.530587962963 -- a bit different from hers -- but
I am using "straight" double precision math and there could be rounding
errors.
In terms of y = mx + b. I have the slope and need the intercept.
So far I have used: Full Moon: 7th day of April, 23:22 EST as
my reference, which is probably accurate enough. But if someone has it
more accurately, it would be minor at this point to throw in the
correction.
I originally sat down to write the program to compute Postal
Service pay periods (every other Friday) and print calendars. My goal
for accuracy was any date after* the mid-1700's (Before that the
calendar was different, reform came in in Europe sometime during the
1600's; in the colonies, 1700's) so I referenced all my calculations to
the year 1601, had the current calendar been in use at that time. (This
makes leap years, which are different on century (xx00) years, easier to
calculate.)
But I guess that was not enough of a challenge for me, so I decided
to add moon phases. Been interesting. I don't usually work with
floating point; my actual calendar calculations are all done in long
integer format..
*to the limits of a long integer data type -- 2,147,483,647 days or
about 5.8 million years.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with
enthusiasm.-- Vince Lombardi
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Article 19070
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 00:34:18 -0500
Subject: Anomaly!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
OK, all you computer people--
I ran into an anomaly while doing my calendar program -- I can't
multiply 3600 by 12. I get an overflow. Every time. Using either
double precision or long integer math. Visual basic is my usual
language; but I brought up my old qbasic program and had the same
difficulty. My processor is a 733MHz. pentium III (Intel). I don't
have other hardware around at the moment. The test program is:
---------------------------
dim test as long
test = 3600 * 12
It also fails is you use dim test as a double
what I did to get around it was
test = (3600 * 1.2)*10 which works fine.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with
enthusiasm.-- Vince Lombardi
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Article 19071
From: Anthony Alford" <anthony_alford@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:11:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Anomaly!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I tried this on VB 6, and sure enough: run-time error 6. I looked it up in
the docs and would you believe they had an example just like yours? Here's
what they said:
"You attempt to use a number in a calculation, and that number is coerced
into an integer, but the result is larger than an integer. For example:
Dim x As Long
x = 2000 * 365 ' Error: Overflow
To work around this situation, type the number, like this:
Dim x As Long
x = CLng(2000) * 365"
Sure enough, if you do this with your numbers, Charlie, it works. It also
worked if I used 3600.0 (which VB automagically converts to 3600#, meaning
a double-precision floating point number).
I don't think this is an anomaly; I think this is a "feature." I think
what's happening is that the interpreter sees 3600, and it sees 12, and
decides since they are both Integers (which is I guess the default), then if
you multiply them you should get an Integer. Unfortunately, 43,200 is
bigger than 32,767 (the largest positive Integer value). Thus, the
overflow.
What's puzzling me is that you said you tried it with with double-precision
and long integer math. How did you specify that in the code? Or is that an
interpreter option?
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Article 19072
From: Gordon Sollars" <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 14:41:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Anomaly!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3AEF9C5A.90A0371C@aol.com...
> OK, all you computer people--
> I ran into an anomaly while doing my calendar program -- I can't
> multiply 3600 by 12. I get an overflow. Every time. Using either
> double precision or long integer math. Visual basic is my usual
> language; but I brought up my old qbasic program and had the same
> difficulty. My processor is a 733MHz. pentium III (Intel). I don't
> have other hardware around at the moment. The test program is:
> ---------------------------
> dim test as long
> test = 3600 * 12
> It also fails is you use dim test as a double
I don't know Visual Basic, but I assume that "3600" and "12" are both
integers, which would be a problem in old fashioned languages like FORTRAN.
I would try multiplying 3600 by 12.0. This would force a conversion
/before/ the calculation.
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Article 19073
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 12:09:35 -0700
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"SpaceCadet" <cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote in message
news:3AEF5794.40DF1A35@planet-save.com...
> Yeah, Filk, but I didn't test mine at all. I just
> cut and pasted them off the web.
By "test", I meant "compared multiple sources". Since you have two that
match to within 1 second, you did test.
I, OTOH, found only one that gave seconds, and just compared two to the
minute.
Filksinger
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Article 19074
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:12:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Thoughts from _Have Space Suit: Will Travel_
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 1 May 2001 22:12:37 -0500, "kevin mcgillicuddy"
<kmcgillicuddy@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>Sure hope there aren't any students up in orbit...
>
>McKevin
>
Hey, now there's a blast from the past! Howdy. Give us a "Roll Call"
update, RAHketeer! ;)
JT
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Article 19075
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:12:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Web site ring
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 01 May 2001 04:11:10 GMT, debrule@jps.net (Deb Houdek Rule)
wrote:
>
> JT? Jim? If you'd like to link your sites just hit the "join"
>button.
>
I'll definitely add the HF page in , it just might take a few more of
Danny's nap cycles. <VBG>
JT
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Article 19076
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 20:14:20 GMT
Subject: Interesting NASA web site
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Found this link in a newspaper article:
http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/gsfc/earth/imaging/landsat.htm
It lets you browse through much of the Landsat images, including some
neat compliations that "zoom" into several different cities.
JT
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Article 19077
From: Wayne Morgan <morganwh@indy.net>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 15:42:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Could you possibly get that time from a GPS? My GPS III+ will give
moonrise/moonset but I haven't looked to see if it indicates a full moon
Charles Graft wrote:
> Thanks, Filksinger and Carol--
>
> Either of the periods you gave me should be accurate enough (I came
> up with 29.5305761574074 days for the period) (Compared to Carol's
> 29.5305882 days) but I need the time of a full (or new) moon in EST,
> Greenwich, or other to use as a reference point.
>
> Is the difference due to the difference in data?? BRB -- using
> Carol's data, I get 29.530587962963 -- a bit different from hers -- but
> I am using "straight" double precision math and there could be rounding
> errors.
>
> In terms of y = mx + b. I have the slope and need the intercept.
>
> So far I have used: Full Moon: 7th day of April, 23:22 EST as
> my reference, which is probably accurate enough. But if someone has it
> more accurately, it would be minor at this point to throw in the
> correction.
>
> I originally sat down to write the program to compute Postal
> Service pay periods (every other Friday) and print calendars. My goal
> for accuracy was any date after* the mid-1700's (Before that the
> calendar was different, reform came in in Europe sometime during the
> 1600's; in the colonies, 1700's) so I referenced all my calculations to
> the year 1601, had the current calendar been in use at that time. (This
> makes leap years, which are different on century (xx00) years, easier to
> calculate.)
>
> But I guess that was not enough of a challenge for me, so I decided
> to add moon phases. Been interesting. I don't usually work with
> floating point; my actual calendar calculations are all done in long
> integer format..
>
> *to the limits of a long integer data type -- 2,147,483,647 days or
> about 5.8 million years.
>
> --
> <<Big Charlie>>
>
> If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with
> enthusiasm.-- Vince Lombardi
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Article 19078
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 17:55:19 -0500
Subject: Re: Anomaly!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Anthony--
Thank you, that is what it was doing. If both your operators are
integers, the answer is assumed to be an integer. No matter how you
declare the data type of you answer. When I did the
((3600 * 1.2)*10
it forced the data type to double.
How did I get in to this? I was using a constant of
const sHour =3600
and figuring a syndic period containing 12 hours.
By changing it to
const sHour = 3600#,
it works fine.
or if I enter it as "3600." the syntax checker converts it to 3600#.
Seems strange to me. You would (or at least I would) think that if the
answer is declared to be a long or double, the program would
automatically do, or at least allow, long or double arithmetic.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with
enthusiasm.-- Vince Lombardi
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Article 19079
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 02 May 2001 18:28:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Anomaly!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Gordon Sollars wrote:
> I don't know Visual Basic, but I assume that "3600" and "12" are both
> integers, which would be a problem in old fashioned languages like FORTRAN.
> I would try multiplying 3600 by 12.0. This would force a conversion
> /before/ the calculation.
That works also. The syntax checker changes the 12.0 to 12#, but it does
the job.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with enthusiasm.-- Vince
Lombardi
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Article 19080
From: SpaceCadet <cadozo@planet-save.com>
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 01:44:34 -0500
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Filksinger wrote:
>
> "SpaceCadet" <cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote in message
> news:3AEF5794.40DF1A35@planet-save.com...
>
> > Yeah, Filk, but I didn't test mine at all. I just
> > cut and pasted them off the web.
>
> By "test", I meant "compared multiple sources". Since you have two that
> match to within 1 second, you did test.
>
> I, OTOH, found only one that gave seconds, and just compared two to the
> minute.
>
Darn! I had this image of you standing outside
night after night, stopwatch in hand, waiting
patiently for the full moon to return.
Carol
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Article 19081
From: SpaceCadet <cadozo@planet-save.com>
Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 02:06:20 -0500
Subject: Re: Anomaly!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Charles Graft wrote:
> Seems strange to me. You would (or at least I would) think that if the
> answer is declared to be a long or double, the program would
> automatically do, or at least allow, long or double arithmetic.
>
I'd bet the problem has to do with how the
compiler uses the registers. If the numbers are
just ints (not long ints), it will probably use,
say RegA=3600 and RegB=12 where RegA & RegB have
enough bits to store only short ints. Then the
multiply command says let RegB = RegA * RegB. But
the result is a long int, and RegB can't hold a
long int so the overflow flag is tripped, and you
get an error. But, if the compiler knows ahead of
time that one of the numbers in the next process
will be a long int, it will use a larger (more
bits) Register we'll call RegD to store the long
int, while still storing the shorter number in
RegA or RegB. Then the code will tell the
processor to execute RegD = RegD * RegA. Thus the
answer is stored in a RegD, a register big enough
for a long int and, for a brief moment, all is
right with the world.
I may be totally wrong about this. It's been while
since I've done any coding, and I may have
misunderstood exactly what BC's problem really is.
I'm pretty sleepy. I'll be interested to see if
anyone else has a guess or, an opinion on my
guess, as to what's causing the problem.
Carol
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Article 19082
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:46:28 -0700
Subject: Spam Motel
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
A short while ago, I posted a method for "tagging" email addresses.
Unfortunately, some forwarders and news programs (and possibly email
programs) freak out when you use it, so it may not be very useful.
I have found something much more useful.
It is called Spam Motel (www.spammotel.com). It is a truly cool service,
which you can get via webpage or software.
It works like this. You want to give an email address to a website so you
can sign up for their cool service. However, you are suspicious (their name
is www.welovespam.com). So, you ask Spam Motel for an email address, and
give it the comment www.welovespam.com.
Spam Motel generates a valid random spammotel.com email address (example:
JLRFRLYPKYJL@spammotel.com, which works). Anything sent to that address is
forwarded to you, with a bit of explanatory text at the top, including
whatever comments you added when you set it up. If you reply to any message
that comes through Spam Motel, it goes to them, has their comments and your
email address stripped away, and is sent on with the same initial Spam Motel
address the email from the original sender came in on. Thus, if you send a
message to JLRFRLYPKYJL@spammotel.com, then it arrives in my mailbox with a
note and some other comments, so I know it is from here. If I reply, you get
an email from that same address, with all comments (and my address) removed.
So, what does this do for you? Simple. Suppose www.welovespam.com sold the
above address to spammers? Well, you will receive spam to a unique address
that was only given to www.welovespam.com _and_ which has a comment to that
effect attached.
So, you can filter out all spam to that address _and_ you can tell everyone
that www.welovespam.com sold your address. And Spam Motel will even filter
it out for you.
Cool, no?
Filksinger
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Article 19083
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:53:32 GMT
Subject: E-mail change Redux
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
AT&T pissed me off, so I left. My e-mail goes back to what it was.
Fader
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Article 19084
From: noone" <no_one@home>
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 08:56:40 -0000
Subject: Re: Spam Motel
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
lets see if i have this right? the spam checks in but it never checks out!
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3af20a01.0@news.sff.net...
> A short while ago, I posted a method for "tagging" email addresses.
> Unfortunately, some forwarders and news programs (and possibly email
> programs) freak out when you use it, so it may not be very useful.
>
> I have found something much more useful.
>
> It is called Spam Motel (www.spammotel.com). It is a truly cool service,
> which you can get via webpage or software.
>
> It works like this. You want to give an email address to a website so you
> can sign up for their cool service. However, you are suspicious (their
name
> is www.welovespam.com). So, you ask Spam Motel for an email address, and
> give it the comment www.welovespam.com.
>
> Spam Motel generates a valid random spammotel.com email address (example:
> JLRFRLYPKYJL@spammotel.com, which works). Anything sent to that address is
> forwarded to you, with a bit of explanatory text at the top, including
> whatever comments you added when you set it up. If you reply to any
message
> that comes through Spam Motel, it goes to them, has their comments and
your
> email address stripped away, and is sent on with the same initial Spam
Motel
> address the email from the original sender came in on. Thus, if you send a
> message to JLRFRLYPKYJL@spammotel.com, then it arrives in my mailbox with
a
> note and some other comments, so I know it is from here. If I reply, you
get
> an email from that same address, with all comments (and my address)
removed.
>
> So, what does this do for you? Simple. Suppose www.welovespam.com sold the
> above address to spammers? Well, you will receive spam to a unique address
> that was only given to www.welovespam.com _and_ which has a comment to
that
> effect attached.
>
> So, you can filter out all spam to that address _and_ you can tell
everyone
> that www.welovespam.com sold your address. And Spam Motel will even filter
> it out for you.
>
> Cool, no?
>
> Filksinger
>
>
>
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Article 19085
From: Eli Hestermann <Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu>
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 09:52:16 -0400
Subject: Re: E-mail change Redux
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Fader wrote:
> AT&T pissed me off, so I left. My e-mail goes back to what it was.
>
> Fader
What happened? We've been thinking about signing on with them, so I'm
interested in data, if you don't mind.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa." -Seneca
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Article 19086
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Fri, 4 May 2001 10:00:52 -0700
Subject: Re: Spam Motel
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"noone" <no_one@home> wrote in message news:3af2a6b1.0@news.sff.net...
> lets see if i have this right? the spam checks in but it never checks out!
There's always one person who has to say it....
Filksinger
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Article 19087
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2001 23:59:43 GMT
Subject: Re: E-mail change Redux
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 04 May 2001 09:53:32 GMT, fader555@aol.com (Fader) wrote:
>AT&T pissed me off, so I left. My e-mail goes back to what it was.
>
>Fader
Here's where I make a pitch for using one of the "free for life"
remailer addresses. For example, my wife has an address at mail.com.
(I believe usa.net does the same kind of thing, I believe yahoo mail
does also. Filk brought it up originally & got me researching it.)
Anyway, Christine's email address is @mail.com, but she rarely reads
her mail there. Instead we forward it automatically to our current
ISP's mailbox account, where she can bring it into Outlook Express.
Advantages:
--It's free.
--We've changed ISPs three times since then, and she's never had to
notify anyone about the change, since her mailing address has stayed
constant.
--If we go away for an extended period of time, she stops the
forwarding and can manage her mail via the web. If your ISP doesn't
provide that functionality (ours doesn't), that's a plus.
Disadvantages:
--They may someday charge for the service, even though they say they
won't.
Just my thoughts on email. I wish phone numbers were as portable. (Or
do I?)
JT
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Article 19088
From: noone" <no_one@home>
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 04:18:36 -0000
Subject: Re: Spam Motel
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
oops, sorry, forgot to sign that last, you should know who to blame.
"gunner"
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3af2e04b.0@news.sff.net...
>
> "noone" <no_one@home> wrote in message news:3af2a6b1.0@news.sff.net...
> > lets see if i have this right? the spam checks in but it never checks
out!
>
> There's always one person who has to say it....
>
> Filksinger
>
>
>
>
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Article 19089
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 10:19:07 GMT
Subject: Re: Spam Motel
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 4 May 2001 10:00:52 -0700, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>> lets see if i have this right? the spam checks in but it never checks out!
>
>There's always one person who has to say it....
>
Filk, Be happy it's just one, around here something like this is
almost a open casting call.<G>
Fader
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Article 19090
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 11:07:32 GMT
Subject: Re: E-mail change Redux
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 04 May 2001 09:52:16 -0400, Eli Hestermann
<Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu> wrote:
>What happened? We've been thinking about signing on with them, so I'm
>interested in data, if you don't mind.
>
After being on for about a week, I tried to log-in to get my e-mail, I
get an error message saying either no registered member or wrong
password. Tried again, same thing, in fact we tried 3 more times,
iknowing each time after the first that I wasn't getting it wrong.
So, off to Online Help Chat we go. what's the problem, blah blah.Then
the first thing this guy asks is for me to type in my Name & password,
which I think is somewhat strange (from a personal security POV), I
refuse. He says that he just wants to check that I'm getting the whole
case thing right, I assure him that I'm getting it right & inquire
about what else might be the problem. After a bit of waiting it turns
out that the mail system is down for bi-weekly maintenance. "Why
doesn't it say that then, instead of driving me crazy, & wasting my
time & yours" He tells me GIGO, as the reason which I think is a
little lame since this doesn't seem all that technologically advanced,
which I point out to him,I then thank him & go.
Sometime later (week,maybe), I login to my mail,to find new folders,
which I can't delete & I didn't add. Again a trip to "help" seems in
order. Seems that the webpage was redone,because some people requested
these things, he was sorry for the inconvience. After a bunch of back
& forth, (mostly about why those that wanted these folders not adding
them themselves, & why they couldn't be deleted, & WHY I WASN'T
NOTIFIED BEFORE CHANGES WERE MADE, unless they just really don't care
to be bothered) once again I thank him & go.
So thats basically the story ( some of the wording was changed to
protect the innocence<G>) I just feel that I want/need this stuff to
make life easier/smoother & don't really need the hassle, there's too
many web services out there for me to put up with this type of
high-handness, guess I'm old-fashioned when it comes to customer
relations.
Probably I'm just being grumpy
Fader
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Article 19091
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 09:13:57 -0500
Subject: Re: Anomaly!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
SpaceCadet wrote:
> Charles Graft wrote:
> > Seems strange to me. You would (or at least I would) think that if the
> > answer is declared to be a long or double, the program would
> > automatically do, or at least allow, long or double arithmetic.
> >
>
> But, if the compiler knows ahead of
> time that one of the numbers in the next process
> will be a long int, it will use a larger (more
> bits) Register we'll call RegD to store the long
> int, while still storing the shorter number in
> RegA or RegB. Then the code will tell the
> processor to execute RegD = RegD * RegA. Thus the
> answer is stored in a RegD, a register big enough
> for a long int and, for a brief moment, all is
> right with the world.
>
> Carol
Carol--
That's how I think it should work. But it doesn't, at least not in
basic. I had declared the answer to be a double precision answer; but one of
my small integers has to be tagged as long or single or double for it to
work. That's why it threw me.
--
<<Big Charlie>>
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with enthusiasm.--
Vince Lombardi
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Article 19092
From: Charles Graft <chasgraft@aol.com>
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 09:16:12 -0500
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
SpaceCadet wrote:
> Darn! I had this image of you standing outside
> night after night, stopwatch in hand, waiting
> patiently for the full moon to return.
>
> Carol
Carol--
It's cloudy too many nights here. Besides, I'm usually at work. <VBG>
--
<<Big Charlie>>
If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with enthusiasm.--
Vince Lombardi
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Article 19093
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 12:10:56 -0400
Subject: Re: E-mail change Redux
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Fader: I'd guess that most of us here have the same 'grumpy'
reaction to high-handedness. That sure as hell doesn't sound like
good customer service to me.
Ed J (2 cents worth)
On Sat, 05 May 2001 11:07:32 GMT, fader555@aol.com (Fader) wrote:
>>
>After being on for about a week, I tried to log-in to get my e-mail, I
>get an error message saying either no registered member or wrong
>password. Tried again, same thing, in fact we tried 3 more times,
>iknowing each time after the first that I wasn't getting it wrong.
>
>So, off to Online Help Chat we go. what's the problem, blah blah.Then
>the first thing this guy asks is for me to type in my Name & password,
>which I think is somewhat strange (from a personal security POV), I
>refuse. He says that he just wants to check that I'm getting the whole
>case thing right, I assure him that I'm getting it right & inquire
>about what else might be the problem. After a bit of waiting it turns
>out that the mail system is down for bi-weekly maintenance. "Why
>doesn't it say that then, instead of driving me crazy, & wasting my
>time & yours" He tells me GIGO, as the reason which I think is a
>little lame since this doesn't seem all that technologically advanced,
>which I point out to him,I then thank him & go.
>
>Sometime later (week,maybe), I login to my mail,to find new folders,
>which I can't delete & I didn't add. Again a trip to "help" seems in
>order. Seems that the webpage was redone,because some people requested
>these things, he was sorry for the inconvience. After a bunch of back
>& forth, (mostly about why those that wanted these folders not adding
>them themselves, & why they couldn't be deleted, & WHY I WASN'T
>NOTIFIED BEFORE CHANGES WERE MADE, unless they just really don't care
>to be bothered) once again I thank him & go.
>
>So thats basically the story ( some of the wording was changed to
>protect the innocence<G>) I just feel that I want/need this stuff to
>make life easier/smoother & don't really need the hassle, there's too
>many web services out there for me to put up with this type of
>high-handness, guess I'm old-fashioned when it comes to customer
>relations.
>
>Probably I'm just being grumpy
>
>Fader
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Article 19094
From: SpaceCadet <cadozo@planet-save.com>
Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 14:01:33 -0500
Subject: Re: Anomaly!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Charles Graft wrote:
>
> SpaceCadet wrote:
>
> > Charles Graft wrote:
> > > Seems strange to me. You would (or at least I would) think that if the
> > > answer is declared to be a long or double, the program would
> > > automatically do, or at least allow, long or double arithmetic.
> > >
> >
> > But, if the compiler knows ahead of
> > time that one of the numbers in the next process
> > will be a long int...
> Carol--
> That's how I think it should work. But it doesn't, at least not in
> basic. I had declared the answer to be a double precision answer; but one of
> my small integers has to be tagged as long or single or double for it to
> work. That's why it threw me.
BC,
I think that's because the compiler doesn't check
ahead to see what form the answer will take. It
sees A * B and decides to execute that first. So
it sets up the math in the smaller registers. It
then plans to put the answer in a larger register
for future handling as a big number. But the
number is already too big, so it causes an
overflow before the transfer happens. This may be
sloppy compiler design, but what can you do. If
coding was too easy, it wouldn't pay quite so
well.
Carol
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Article 19095
From: georule" <georule@citlink.net>
Date: Sat, 5 May 2001 18:55:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Announcement
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I sent a couple emails to the nitrosyncretic email address, but got no
response. At any rate, great news!
"James Gifford" <jgifford@rcsis.com> wrote in message
news:3ADCEFD8.268CD739@rcsis.com...
> I was going to wait until the final list was posted (sometime later this
> month), but this isn't the kind of news I can sit on. I got the
> confirmation call yesterday:
>
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Article 19096
From: James Gifford <jgifford@rcsis.com>
Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 20:54:29 -0700
Subject: Re: Announcement
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
> "James Gifford" <jgifford@rcsis.com> wrote
> > I was going to wait until the final list was posted (sometime later this
> > month), but this isn't the kind of news I can sit on. I got the
> > confirmation call yesterday:
georule wrote:
> I sent a couple emails to the nitrosyncretic email address, but got no
> response. At any rate, great news!
Sorry; got 'em, just busy as an octopus with itchy pits these days.
Thanks! Now, on to the award...
--
| James Gifford - Nitrosyncretic Press - gifford@nitrosyncretic.com |
| See http://www.nitrosyncretic.com for the Heinlein FAQ & more |
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Article 19097
From: Eli Hestermann <Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:10:22 -0400
Subject: Re: E-mail change Redux
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Some college alumni associations are doing this now. I have one through
MIT, and Purdue just sent us info saying that they're setting it up as
well.
Of course, you still need an ISP to read the mail in the first place.
JT wrote:
> Here's where I make a pitch for using one of the "free for life"
> remailer addresses. For example, my wife has an address at mail.com.
> (I believe usa.net does the same kind of thing, I believe yahoo mail
> does also. Filk brought it up originally & got me researching it.)
>
> Anyway, Christine's email address is @mail.com, but she rarely reads
> her mail there. Instead we forward it automatically to our current
> ISP's mailbox account, where she can bring it into Outlook Express.
>
> Advantages:
> --It's free.
> --We've changed ISPs three times since then, and she's never had to
> notify anyone about the change, since her mailing address has stayed
> constant.
> --If we go away for an extended period of time, she stops the
> forwarding and can manage her mail via the web. If your ISP doesn't
> provide that functionality (ours doesn't), that's a plus.
>
> Disadvantages:
> --They may someday charge for the service, even though they say they
> won't.
>
> Just my thoughts on email. I wish phone numbers were as portable. (Or
> do I?)
>
> JT
--
Eli V. Hestermann
Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa." -Seneca
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Article 19098
From: Eli Hestermann <Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu>
Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:10:44 -0400
Subject: Re: E-mail change Redux
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
What Ed said! Thanks for the info, Fader.
Ed Johnson wrote:
> Fader: I'd guess that most of us here have the same 'grumpy'
> reaction to high-handedness. That sure as hell doesn't sound like
> good customer service to me.
>
> Ed J (2 cents worth)
>
> On Sat, 05 May 2001 11:07:32 GMT, fader555@aol.com (Fader) wrote:
>
> >>
> >After being on for about a week, I tried to log-in to get my e-mail, I
> >get an error message saying either no registered member or wrong
> >password. Tried again, same thing, in fact we tried 3 more times,
> >iknowing each time after the first that I wasn't getting it wrong.
> >
> >So, off to Online Help Chat we go. what's the problem, blah blah.Then
> >the first thing this guy asks is for me to type in my Name & password,
> >which I think is somewhat strange (from a personal security POV), I
> >refuse. He says that he just wants to check that I'm getting the whole
> >case thing right, I assure him that I'm getting it right & inquire
> >about what else might be the problem. After a bit of waiting it turns
> >out that the mail system is down for bi-weekly maintenance. "Why
> >doesn't it say that then, instead of driving me crazy, & wasting my
> >time & yours" He tells me GIGO, as the reason which I think is a
> >little lame since this doesn't seem all that technologically advanced,
> >which I point out to him,I then thank him & go.
> >
> >Sometime later (week,maybe), I login to my mail,to find new folders,
> >which I can't delete & I didn't add. Again a trip to "help" seems in
> >order. Seems that the webpage was redone,because some people requested
> >these things, he was sorry for the inconvience. After a bunch of back
> >& forth, (mostly about why those that wanted these folders not adding
> >them themselves, & why they couldn't be deleted, & WHY I WASN'T
> >NOTIFIED BEFORE CHANGES WERE MADE, unless they just really don't care
> >to be bothered) once again I thank him & go.
> >
> >So thats basically the story ( some of the wording was changed to
> >protect the innocence<G>) I just feel that I want/need this stuff to
> >make life easier/smoother & don't really need the hassle, there's too
> >many web services out there for me to put up with this type of
> >high-handness, guess I'm old-fashioned when it comes to customer
> >relations.
> >
> >Probably I'm just being grumpy
> >
> >Fader
--
Eli V. Hestermann
Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa." -Seneca
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Article 19099
Article no longer available
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Article 19100
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:15:21 -0700
Subject: Re: E-mail change Redux
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"JT" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote in message
news:3af340d4.37759415@news.sff.net...
> On Fri, 04 May 2001 09:53:32 GMT, fader555@aol.com (Fader) wrote:
>
> >AT&T pissed me off, so I left. My e-mail goes back to what it was.
> >
> >Fader
>
> Here's where I make a pitch for using one of the "free for life"
> remailer addresses. For example, my wife has an address at mail.com.
> (I believe usa.net does the same kind of thing, I believe yahoo mail
> does also. Filk brought it up originally & got me researching it.)
Glad I could be of service.
I can't say how useful these things have been to me. I find them invaluable.
I also have, for sorting purposes, throw-away addresses, and such, somewhere
around 10 of them, I'd say.
I am just now trying to decide which one is the absolutely most reliable,
easy to use, etc. Once I have decided, I will make all others point to that
single one. Then, when I change to a different ISP, I just change _one_
forwarder.
Filksinger
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Article 19101
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 02:03:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Announcement
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"James Gifford" <jgifford@rcsis.com> wrote
>
> Thanks! Now, on to the award...
>
You are attending the con, yes?
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 19102
From: James Gifford <jgifford@rcsis.com>
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 13:24:12 -0700
Subject: Re: Announcement
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"William J. Keaton" wrote:
> "James Gifford" <jgifford@rcsis.com> wrote
> > Thanks! Now, on to the award...
> You are attending the con, yes?
Yep. Same crowd as last time, only bigger.
--
| James Gifford - Nitrosyncretic Press - gifford@nitrosyncretic.com |
| See http://www.nitrosyncretic.com for the Heinlein FAQ & more |
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Article 19103
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 14:20:31 -0700
Subject: Origins of the Rocket Car?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
You know the urban legend of the guy who was nominated for the Darwin
Awards, who supposedly launched himself into a cliff side in an Impala with
a JATO unit sticking out the rear? Well, this man thinks he knows where the
story came from.
Warning: This thing is seriously long-winded.
http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-363/
Filksinger
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Article 19104
From: Shane Glaseman <Shane.Glaseman@aero.org>
Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 15:37:25 -0700
Subject: Re: Origins of the Rocket Car?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Long-winded, yes. But hilarious. Oh, God, I hope it's true. But don't
care if it isn't.
Filksinger wrote:
>
> You know the urban legend of the guy who was nominated for the Darwin
> Awards, who supposedly launched himself into a cliff side in an Impala with
> a JATO unit sticking out the rear? Well, this man thinks he knows where the
> story came from.
>
> Warning: This thing is seriously long-winded.
>
> http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-363/
>
> Filksinger
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Article 19105
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 02:02:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Announcement
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"James Gifford" <jgifford@rcsis.com> wrote in message
news:3AF855EC.423233ED@rcsis.com...
> "William J. Keaton" wrote:
>
> > "James Gifford" <jgifford@rcsis.com> wrote
> > > Thanks! Now, on to the award...
>
> > You are attending the con, yes?
>
> Yep. Same crowd as last time, only bigger.
>
See ya there.
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Article 19106
From: James Gifford <jgifford@rcsis.com>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 15:26:42 -0700
Subject: Re: Announcement
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"William J. Keaton" wrote:
> > > > Thanks! Now, on to the award...
> > > You are attending the con, yes?
> > Yep. Same crowd as last time, only bigger.
> See ya there.
I'll be the guy waving the bronze rocket around, yelling, "Yippee!" :)
(I hope, anyway.)
--
| James Gifford - Nitrosyncretic Press - gifford@nitrosyncretic.com |
| See http://www.nitrosyncretic.com for the Heinlein FAQ & more |
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Article 19107
From: eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed Johnson)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 22:29:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Origins of the Rocket Car?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
FS: Major seriously long winded. Damn'd funny.
That guy tells a good tale.
. . . . .
My attempt at the Darwin awards was the time I almost burned down
our garage as a kid. Seems there was this ad in the back of a comic
book: "Build your own miniature gasoline powered rocket!" (OWTTE)
It may have been ca. 1959 and cost about $4.95 via mail order. It
was so easy to make that I hesitate to describe the component
pieces. I wouldn't want some kid to try their hand at self
immolation. This so-called 'rocket' was mounted on a home-made
pivot (counter-balanced arm) so that it could spin in a 3 foot
circle on top of a couple of milk crates. Once ignited, this gizmo
spun around and spread boiling, burning kerosine in all directions.
My brother and I had a deuce of a time putting out the many small
fires! It is certainly minor compared to a full scale rocket car.
To a ten or eleven y.o. 'Rocket Scientist' this was a disaster
enough to last a lifetime <g>.
Ed J
On Tue, 8 May 2001 14:20:31 -0700, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>You know the urban legend of the guy who was nominated for the Darwin
>Awards, who supposedly launched himself into a cliff side in an Impala with
>a JATO unit sticking out the rear? Well, this man thinks he knows where the
>story came from.
>
>Warning: This thing is seriously long-winded.
>
>http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-363/
>
>Filksinger
>
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Article 19108
From: noone" <no_one@home>
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 02:56:39 -0000
Subject: Re: Origins of the Rocket Car?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Shane Glaseman" <Shane.Glaseman@aero.org> wrote in message
news:3AF87525.A4C40FC6@aero.org...
> Long-winded, yes. But hilarious. Oh, God, I hope it's true. But don't
> care if it isn't.
>
> Filksinger wrote:
> >
> > You know the urban legend of the guy who was nominated for the Darwin
> > Awards, who supposedly launched himself into a cliff side in an Impala
with
> > a JATO unit sticking out the rear? Well, this man thinks he knows where
the
> > story came from.
> >
> > Warning: This thing is seriously long-winded.
> >
> > http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-363/
> >
> > Filksinger
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Article 19109
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 08:43:49 GMT
Subject: Re: Origins of the Rocket Car?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Thu, 10 May 2001 22:29:14 -0400, eljohn2@home.spamthis.com (Ed
Johnson) wrote:
>My attempt at the Darwin awards was the time I almost burned down
>our garage as a kid. Seems there was this ad in the back of a comic
>book: "Build your own miniature gasoline powered rocket!" (OWTTE)
Just think... nowadays, your parents could have sued 'em for a bundle.
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Article 19110
From: LORRITA MORGAN" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 11 May 2001 15:24:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Origins of the Rocket Car?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Makes our "rockets" seem almost harmless. We would carefully remove the
excess paper from around the "dots" on a strip of caps and load them into
used brass cartridges, 30-30 or 30.06. The nosecones and other external
trappings we fashioned from whatever was at hand; these later became
optional. We experimented with various launch and ignitions systems.
We were very lucky none of us blew our foolish hands off!
--
Later,
`rita
Almost live from Finley, WA.
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@home.spamthis.com> wrote in message
news:pbimft0u3o9plklj94o0n89s83eotjsir7@4ax.com...
> FS: Major seriously long winded. Damn'd funny.
> That guy tells a good tale.
> . . . . .
> My attempt at the Darwin awards was the time I almost burned down
> our garage as a kid. Seems there was this ad in the back of a comic
> book: "Build your own miniature gasoline powered rocket!" (OWTTE)
> It may have been ca. 1959 and cost about $4.95 via mail order. It
> was so easy to make that I hesitate to describe the component
> pieces. I wouldn't want some kid to try their hand at self
> immolation. This so-called 'rocket' was mounted on a home-made
> pivot (counter-balanced arm) so that it could spin in a 3 foot
> circle on top of a couple of milk crates. Once ignited, this gizmo
> spun around and spread boiling, burning kerosine in all directions.
> My brother and I had a deuce of a time putting out the many small
> fires! It is certainly minor compared to a full scale rocket car.
> To a ten or eleven y.o. 'Rocket Scientist' this was a disaster
> enough to last a lifetime <g>.
>
>
> Ed J
>
>
> On Tue, 8 May 2001 14:20:31 -0700, "Filksinger"
> <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>
> >You know the urban legend of the guy who was nominated for the Darwin
> >Awards, who supposedly launched himself into a cliff side in an Impala
with
> >a JATO unit sticking out the rear? Well, this man thinks he knows where
the
> >story came from.
> >
> >Warning: This thing is seriously long-winded.
> >
> >http://www.cultdeadcow.com/cDc_files/cDc-363/
> >
> >Filksinger
> >
>
>
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Article 19111
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 16:25:30 GMT
Subject: RIP Douglas Adams
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
And thanks for all the fish....
_______________________
Hitchhiker's Guide' Author Douglas Adams Dies
.c The Associated Press
LONDON (May 12) - Douglas Adams, author of the cult science-fiction
comedy ``The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,'' has died at age 49.
British-born Adams died Friday of a heart attack in Santa Barbara,
Calif., his London spokeswoman, Sophie Astin, said Saturday.
The ``Hitchhiker's Guide,'' first broadcast as a British Broadcasting
Corp. radio series in 1978, was a satirical adventure about a group of
interplanetary travelers; it opens with the Earth being destroyed to
make way for an intergalactic highway.
It was turned into a television series, as well as a book that
spawned several sequels, including ``The Restaurant at the End of the
Universe,''
``Life, the Universe and Everything'' and ``So Long, and Thanks For
All the Fish.''
Educated at Cambridge University, Adams began his career as a writer
script editor at the BBC.
He went on to write several books about the ``holistic detective''
Dirk Gently and, with John Lloyd, the hilarious alternative dictionary
``The
Meaning of Liff.''
He was a frequent radio broadcaster on science and technology.
Adams was married with a daughter.
AP-NY-05-12-01 0657EDT
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Article 19112
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 13:25:39 -0400
Subject: Re: RIP Douglas Adams
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I hope he remembered his towel...
"Jai Johnson-Pickett" <hf_jai@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3afd63a8.27829677@news.sff.net...
> And thanks for all the fish....
>
> _______________________
> Hitchhiker's Guide' Author Douglas Adams Dies
>
> .c The Associated Press
>
> LONDON (May 12) - Douglas Adams, author of the cult science-fiction
> comedy ``The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,'' has died at age 49.
>
> British-born Adams died Friday of a heart attack in Santa Barbara,
> Calif., his London spokeswoman, Sophie Astin, said Saturday.
>
> The ``Hitchhiker's Guide,'' first broadcast as a British Broadcasting
> Corp. radio series in 1978, was a satirical adventure about a group of
> interplanetary travelers; it opens with the Earth being destroyed to
> make way for an intergalactic highway.
>
> It was turned into a television series, as well as a book that
> spawned several sequels, including ``The Restaurant at the End of the
> Universe,''
> ``Life, the Universe and Everything'' and ``So Long, and Thanks For
> All the Fish.''
>
> Educated at Cambridge University, Adams began his career as a writer
> script editor at the BBC.
>
> He went on to write several books about the ``holistic detective''
> Dirk Gently and, with John Lloyd, the hilarious alternative dictionary
> ``The
> Meaning of Liff.''
>
> He was a frequent radio broadcaster on science and technology.
>
> Adams was married with a daughter.
>
> AP-NY-05-12-01 0657EDT
>
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Article 19113
From: Audrey Gifford <agifford@rcsis.com>
Date: Sat, 12 May 2001 22:35:31 -0700
Subject: Re: bragging righs
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Not writing fiction. Tons of researchy stuff. Probably interesting to the 12
whole people who read it.
busy to a whole new order of magnitude.
Teaching, you could call it.
Robert Slater wrote:
> Congrats Bob, and Audrey! Nice to see you. Worth a delurk myself! How are
> things? I know...
> A. Are you writing?
> B. Busy, busy busy...
> T. Teaching?
> K. Kid wrangling?
> E. All of the above?
> SIFI Rob
> A teacher/writer with state mandated testing looming.
>
> Audrey Gifford <agifford@rcsis.com> wrote in message
> news:3AA05124.223753CB@rcsis.com...
> > Ahem...
> >
> > Thought I might drop in here and delurk,. I've been here so long most of
> > you don't know me - Geo and Deb and sometimes Doc and Sifi Rob might
> > remember me, but the reason I am delurking is to let all of you know
> > that Bob Lawson - who IS still a regular here - since 1989 or so - back
> > in the olden days of Prodigy - received three letters of acceptance
> > today for colleges. He has been admitted as a freshman to:
> >
> > physics, UC Santa Cruz
> > physics, UC Riverside
> >
> > and Cal Poly.
> >
> >
> > So far no one has turned him down.
> >
> >
> > So all of you who helped him with all those science questions when he
> > was still a little boy may pat yourselves on the back.
> >
> > And him too..
> >
> > Thanks, everyone - Audrey (his Mom)
> >
> >
> >
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Article 19114
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 12:20:38 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Douglas Adams
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 12 May 2001 16:25:30 GMT, hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai
Johnson-Pickett) wrote:
>And thanks for all the fish....
>
>_______________________
Scene: Adams gets to heaven, and:
"What do you mean, the answer really is '42'? It was a bloody joke!!!"
*Sigh*. I actually had read HHGTG pretty early on. Even his
non-fiction work was entertaining.
JT
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Article 19115
From: Eli Hestermann <Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu>
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:11:19 -0400
Subject: Re: RIP Douglas Adams
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
> On Sat, 12 May 2001 16:25:30 GMT, hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai
> Johnson-Pickett) wrote:
>
> >And thanks for all the fish....
> >
> >_______________________
>
> Scene: Adams gets to heaven, and:
>
> "What do you mean, the answer really is '42'? It was a bloody joke!!!"
>
> *Sigh*. I actually had read HHGTG pretty early on. Even his
> non-fiction work was entertaining.
>
> JT
Yeah, _Last Chance to See_ was great. Double sigh.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa." -Seneca
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Article 19116
From: debrule@citlink.net (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:19:49 GMT
Subject: Re: RIP Douglas Adams
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Yeah, _Last Chance to See_ was great. Double sigh.
I reread Last Chance to See when I heard the news about Douglas
Adams. It actually seems like more of a 'signature' book than
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 19117
From: bobl@nospam.giantsfan.com (Bob Lawson)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:07:49 GMT
Subject: Re: bragging righs
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Indeed it is. Incidentally a few of my friends are going to Walla
Walla College, the Adventist college in said city.
>Is that the little Presbyterian College in my backyard? Mascot's the
>Fighting Missionaries? I've heard it's a good school. They had a good
>library, excellent music program, and passable theater arts program when I
>was in high school. The Greeks have been a bit rowdy this year. You can
>live in Walla Walla and not even know the college or its students are even
>there.
>
>
>--
>Later,
>
>`rita
>Almost live from Finley, WA.
>
>
Bob
bobl@deletethis.bluepoet.com
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Article 19118
From: noone" <no_one@home>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 07:03:08 -0000
Subject: news group
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"damon knight" has started a new news group sff.book.librarians, only two
members so far, maybe we could help him along"
"gunner"
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Article 19119
From: Robert Larson" <Robert.Larson@near.nxview.com>
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 10:46:16 -0400
Subject: Re: RIP Douglas Adams
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
He'll be fine as long as he Doesn't Panic.
"Jai Johnson-Pickett" <hf_jai@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3afd63a8.27829677@news.sff.net...
> And thanks for all the fish....
>
> _______________________
> Hitchhiker's Guide' Author Douglas Adams Dies
>
> .c The Associated Press
>
> LONDON (May 12) - Douglas Adams, author of the cult science-fiction
> comedy ``The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy,'' has died at age 49.
>
> British-born Adams died Friday of a heart attack in Santa Barbara,
> Calif., his London spokeswoman, Sophie Astin, said Saturday.
>
> The ``Hitchhiker's Guide,'' first broadcast as a British Broadcasting
> Corp. radio series in 1978, was a satirical adventure about a group of
> interplanetary travelers; it opens with the Earth being destroyed to
> make way for an intergalactic highway.
>
> It was turned into a television series, as well as a book that
> spawned several sequels, including ``The Restaurant at the End of the
> Universe,''
> ``Life, the Universe and Everything'' and ``So Long, and Thanks For
> All the Fish.''
>
> Educated at Cambridge University, Adams began his career as a writer
> script editor at the BBC.
>
> He went on to write several books about the ``holistic detective''
> Dirk Gently and, with John Lloyd, the hilarious alternative dictionary
> ``The
> Meaning of Liff.''
>
> He was a frequent radio broadcaster on science and technology.
>
> Adams was married with a daughter.
>
> AP-NY-05-12-01 0657EDT
>
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Article 19120
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:29:29 -0700
Subject: Spiderman, Spiderman
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Sooner or later, somebody would do it.
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/gekkomat010518.html
Filksinger
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Article 19121
From: Randy J. Jost" <rjost@ece.usu.edu>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 15:16:36 -0600
Subject: Re: Question --
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Charlie,
If you want a starting point, you might use the results that the United
States Naval Observatory (USNO) will give you. If you go to their
website at:
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/WebMICA_2.html
and select <Rise, set and transit times>
After entering the required info, I think you will get the result you
are looking for.
Randy
Charles Graft wrote:
>
> Thanks, Filksinger and Carol--
>
> Either of the periods you gave me should be accurate enough (I came
> up with 29.5305761574074 days for the period) (Compared to Carol's
> 29.5305882 days) but I need the time of a full (or new) moon in EST,
> Greenwich, or other to use as a reference point.
>
> Is the difference due to the difference in data?? BRB -- using
> Carol's data, I get 29.530587962963 -- a bit different from hers -- but
> I am using "straight" double precision math and there could be rounding
> errors.
>
> In terms of y = mx + b. I have the slope and need the intercept.
>
> So far I have used: Full Moon: 7th day of April, 23:22 EST as
> my reference, which is probably accurate enough. But if someone has it
> more accurately, it would be minor at this point to throw in the
> correction.
>
> I originally sat down to write the program to compute Postal
> Service pay periods (every other Friday) and print calendars. My goal
> for accuracy was any date after* the mid-1700's (Before that the
> calendar was different, reform came in in Europe sometime during the
> 1600's; in the colonies, 1700's) so I referenced all my calculations to
> the year 1601, had the current calendar been in use at that time. (This
> makes leap years, which are different on century (xx00) years, easier to
> calculate.)
>
> But I guess that was not enough of a challenge for me, so I decided
> to add moon phases. Been interesting. I don't usually work with
> floating point; my actual calendar calculations are all done in long
> integer format..
>
> *to the limits of a long integer data type -- 2,147,483,647 days or
> about 5.8 million years.
>
> --
> <<Big Charlie>>
>
> If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you will be fired with
> enthusiasm.-- Vince Lombardi
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Article 19122
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 23:48:56 GMT
Subject: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I know that we're coping with Daniel's first tooth. He's almost 9
months now, and taking the whole idea of teeth pretty well.
We had the pleasure of meeting Jack Vrolyk a few weeks ago. I've got
some pictures but have not yet posted them anywhere. Jack is a great
little guy, and Leslie & John Paul are doing well as parents.
So consider this thread a chance to say "this is why I'm not posting
these days"--I'd especially be thrilled if longtime no-posts like
bytor and Tomstaafl checked in.
best to all,
JT
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Article 19123
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:01:13 -0400
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Lauren is six and a half months old now; has two teeth, can roll front to
back and back to front which equals a scary ability to move from that
safe spot on the carpet where you left her just for a minute....She was
sleeping through but has reverted to waking up at least once <sigh>. It
was nice while it lasted and it's still way better than her big sister.
We are slightly concerned because she has a lump on her back, just
between her shoulder blades. It's been diagnosed as a benign tumour;
cavernous hemangioma to be exact. At the moment the doctor is waiting to
see if it goes on its own but, well, we are concerned.
I am trying to work on the library section of the Heinlein Society.
Anyone here know much about the Accelerated Reading Program in schools? I
want to get more Heinlein on their book list. At the moment they only
have Space Suit and Glory Road.
Other than that, just doing a lot of gardening and other spring stuff now
that the pesky white stuff has all gone :-)
Jane
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Article 19124
From: William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net>
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 02:40:08 -0400
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"JT" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote
>
> So consider this thread a chance to say "this is why I'm not posting
> these days"--I'd especially be thrilled if longtime no-posts like
> bytor and Tomstaafl checked in.
>
I have no kids, so I have no excuse. If have been doing little to nothing of
late. Hope y'all aren't too jealous.
--
WJaKe
http://pages.prodigy.net/wjake
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Article 19125
From: James Gifford <jgifford@rcsis.com>
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:36:49 -0700
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
> So consider this thread a chance to say "this is why I'm not posting
> these days"
James and Maureen just passed fourteen months. Very large (as big as
most 3-year-olds); very active; doing a good job wearing Audrey and me
out, even with a nanny. We're planning to bring them up to Westercon and
out to New York and Philcon.
That's most of the reason Audrey and I don't post much these days. Four
other kids in three different schools is another.
Audrey's business is in an aggressive growth phase, which eats her time;
I quit my corporate job last month and am concentrating full time on
NitroPress and private book development contracts. With ARC in the
gunning for a Hugo, a new book about to go to press and a third in final
editing, I have no time to more than skim NGs these days.
But I do skim everything.
--
| James Gifford - Nitrosyncretic Press - gifford@nitrosyncretic.com |
| See http://www.nitrosyncretic.com for the Heinlein FAQ & more |
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Article 19126
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 23:59:36 GMT
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 19 May 2001 21:01:13 -0400, ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca> wrote:
>We are slightly concerned because she has a lump on her back, just
>between her shoulder blades. It's been diagnosed as a benign tumour;
>cavernous hemangioma to be exact. At the moment the doctor is waiting to
>see if it goes on its own but, well, we are concerned.
>
Goodness.... glad to hear it's benign, but it doesn't stop the
worries, does it?
I prayed last night just for Daniel to sleep through, for his sake and
mine. God must have had pity, because he did. ;)
JT
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Article 19127
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 23:59:36 GMT
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 20 May 2001 02:40:08 -0400, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
>I have no kids, so I have no excuse. If have been doing little to nothing of
>late. Hope y'all aren't too jealous.
>
And you've got weekends off now, right, so why haven't you come up for
a visit? You can babysit and see what you're missing ;)
JT
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Article 19128
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 23:59:36 GMT
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 20 May 2001 13:36:49 -0700, James Gifford <jgifford@rcsis.com>
wrote:
>That's most of the reason Audrey and I don't post much these days. Four
>other kids in three different schools is another.
>
Well, Jim, I knew why _you two_ were busy. <VBG> But it's good to
hear updates. Helps me know what to look foward to. ;)
>Audrey's business is in an aggressive growth phase, which eats her time;
>I quit my corporate job last month and am concentrating full time on
>NitroPress and private book development contracts.
>
Well, congratulations! I can imagine the scariness, but there must be
something to being the master of your own fate. (I dunno, the last
business I ran on my own was the farmstand in eighth grade. After
that summer I decided six days a week, ten hours a day, payroll,
bills, and customers demanding satisfaction was a little more than I
wanted. So here I am with the government. ;)
JT
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Article 19129
From: dee" <ke4lfg@amsat.org>
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:00:51 -0500
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT--
As you know, I'm not a mom, so I have no personal experience, but here
are two tips I learned from friends and family:
1. Sometimes they start waking up from hunger. Solution seems to
be solid food, if not already started.
2. Sometimes they wake up cold when big enough to kick covers off.
A larger blanket or quilt can help.
BTW, if you think you are losing sleep now, wait 'til Daniel is 16, and
out in the car. <VBG>
--Dee2
>" I prayed last night just for Daniel to sleep through, for his sake and
> mine. God must have had pity, because he did. ;)
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Article 19130
From: dee" <ke4lfg@amsat.org>
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:08:08 -0500
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jane--
So glad to her that it is benign. When I had surgery a couple of years
ago, my doctor had all sorts of scans and pictures taken beforehand. They
found a "mass" in the area of the liver with ultrasound, which proved to be
a hemeangioma, according to CT scan. My surgeon was immediately relieved
and said that a LOT of people have them somewhere in their bodies and never
even know it. It is a shame that Lauren's is in an area to cause concern.
> We are slightly concerned because she has a lump on her back, just
> between her shoulder blades. It's been diagnosed as a benign tumour;
> cavernous hemangioma to be exact. At the moment the doctor is waiting to
> see if it goes on its own but, well, we are concerned.
I have often wondered why the Good Lord gave them mobility so long before
they acquire judgment.
> Lauren . . .can roll front to
> back and back to front which equals a scary ability to move from that
> safe spot on the carpet where you left her just for a minute.
--Dee2
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Article 19131
From: Eli Hestermann <Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 11:59:26 -0400
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
No kids here, but the new house is eating up all our free time (except
when the new canoe takes a bit!).
--
Eli V. Hestermann
Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa." -Seneca
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Article 19132
From: LORRITA MORGAN" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:42:29 -0700
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Kids grown.
One with husband doing very well. The other I pray for hourly.
Just finished the physical part of our church library inventory. (40+ hours
over 5 days) Data entry for the corrections, additions, deletions, etc.
should take another eight or nine hours. We have about 700 items in
circulation and about 300 more waiting to be cataloged.
The long week brought *P*A*I*N*, my old friend, back to visit. His little
brother, pain, had been here since Easter. The joys of Fibromyalgia!
I am so happy that the babies of the HF are doing well and educating their
parents in ways total ignorance. (after all, until you have children it is
possible to believe that you can know everything!)
--
Later,
`rita
Almost live from Finley, WA.
"JT" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote in message
news:3b07055d.100905143@news.sff.net...
> I know that we're coping with Daniel's first tooth. He's almost 9
> months now, and taking the whole idea of teeth pretty well.
>
> We had the pleasure of meeting Jack Vrolyk a few weeks ago. I've got
> some pictures but have not yet posted them anywhere. Jack is a great
> little guy, and Leslie & John Paul are doing well as parents.
>
> So consider this thread a chance to say "this is why I'm not posting
> these days"--I'd especially be thrilled if longtime no-posts like
> bytor and Tomstaafl checked in.
>
> best to all,
>
> JT
>
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Article 19133
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 22:57:18 GMT
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sun, 20 May 2001 21:00:51 -0500, "dee" <ke4lfg@amsat.org> wrote:
> 1. Sometimes they start waking up from hunger. Solution seems to
>be solid food, if not already started.
Oh, he gets enough solid food, too. He hasn't met a food yet that he
hasn't eaten, although he just had spinach and wasn't too fond of it.
> 2. Sometimes they wake up cold when big enough to kick covers off.
>A larger blanket or quilt can help.
He kicks off everything! ;) We dress him warmly.
> BTW, if you think you are losing sleep now, wait 'til Daniel is 16, and
>out in the car. <VBG>
Don't I know it. I'm not hurrying him past any stages, because I know
I'll look back on this next year and think "that was the easy part".
<G>
JT
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Article 19134
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:01:50 -0400
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
dee wrote:
> Jane--
>
> So glad to her that it is benign. When I had surgery a couple of years
> ago, my doctor had all sorts of scans and pictures taken beforehand. They
> found a "mass" in the area of the liver with ultrasound, which proved to be
> a hemeangioma, according to CT scan. My surgeon was immediately relieved
> and said that a LOT of people have them somewhere in their bodies and never
> even know it. It is a shame that Lauren's is in an area to cause concern.
>
I didn't know that. Interesting. It certainly isn't causing her any discomfort,
or slowing her down any so I think we will just have to live with it and hope
that it goes on its own, as they can do.
Actually, it's in a fairly safe spot; I think they worry if it might get big
enough to block breathing or such; this is nowhere near anything vital
thankfully.
Jane
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Article 19135
From: ddavitt <ddavitt@netcom.ca>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:09:03 -0400
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
LORRITA MORGAN wrote:
> KJust finished the physical part of our church library inventory. (40+ hours
> over 5 days) Data entry for the corrections, additions, deletions, etc.
> should take another eight or nine hours. We have about 700 items in
> circulation and about 300 more waiting to be cataloged.
>
> The long week brought *P*A*I*N*, my old friend, back to visit. His little
> brother, pain, had been here since Easter. The joys of Fibromyalgia!
>
> I am so happy that the babies of the HF are doing well and educating their
> parents in ways total ignorance. (after all, until you have children it is
> possible to believe that you can know everything!)
> --
> Later,
>
Just out of curiosity, as this is an area I'm looking at for the Heinlein
Society, are there any Heinlein books amongst those? Or are they church
related? Are they mostly donated books?
Sorry to hear that you are feeling worse; I hope it isn't for long.
Jane
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Article 19136
From: kevin mcgillicuddy" <kmcgillicuddy@austin.rr.com>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 18:22:39 -0500
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
No personal info posted in several years, so here goes.
As for myself, I've been through about 5 years of very busy and somewhat
tumultuous times at work, which is largely why I haven't posted in several
years (since the Heinlein Forum Prodigy days). Just got out of contact
after being away a while. Things have settled down a bit now, so I'm
lurking again.
The Wife is doing well, relatively speaking. About 4 years ago she began to
suffer from some idiopathic connective tissue disorder that they don't much
know how to treat except symptomatically. She went through a couple of
"minor" procedures 2-3 years ago to remove pericardial fluid that had built
up. Now has a pericardial window, so no fluid buildup but she does get
inflamed from time to time. In any event, it has been hard on her stamina,
etc., but we're coping.
Two sons are now 22 y/o and 20. The older is on the fourth year of a 6 year
college plan and doing enough to stay in school, but that's about it
scholastically. Otherwise, he's a great kid. The younger bloomed in
college and has made almost all A's in his freshman and sophomore years, so
we're proud of him too.
Compared to many, we're doing very well, so no complaints. Has been good to
see some old names here as well as to get to know some new ones a bit.
"JT" <JT@REM0VE.sff.net> wrote in message
news:3b07055d.100905143@news.sff.net...
> I know that we're coping with Daniel's first tooth. He's almost 9
> months now, and taking the whole idea of teeth pretty well.
>
> We had the pleasure of meeting Jack Vrolyk a few weeks ago. I've got
> some pictures but have not yet posted them anywhere. Jack is a great
> little guy, and Leslie & John Paul are doing well as parents.
>
> So consider this thread a chance to say "this is why I'm not posting
> these days"--I'd especially be thrilled if longtime no-posts like
> bytor and Tomstaafl checked in.
>
> best to all,
>
> JT
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Article 19137
From: LORRITA MORGAN" <lorrita-m@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 23:55:24 -0700
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"ddavitt" <ddavitt@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:3B09A00F.4749237F@netcom.ca...
> Just out of curiosity, as this is an area I'm looking at for the Heinlein
> Society, are there any Heinlein books amongst those? Or are they church
> related? Are they mostly donated books?
>
> Sorry to hear that you are feeling worse; I hope it isn't for long.
>
> Jane
Books, videos, audio cassettes, CDs, board games, computer programs, etc.
are all Christian, Bible-Based, or of a family nature. We *are* a Southern
Baptist Church even if we do appear liberal by our lack of neckties on our
menfolk and skirts on our womenfolk, our choice of music, and our use of
modern Bible translations instead of the venerable King James Version. So
Heinlein is not in our collection.
If you have a suggestions for titles that do promote "family values" those
titles could be placed on one of our Outside resource lists. We keep two
such lists one list is titles that are available through the local public
library system and the other is items owned by church members who Home
School their children.
The list for the downtown library was started for budget reasons, they have
more money. We soon found that there were titles that were still worth
reading by mature Christians, but would cause problems in our self-service
library where children have free access. Those titles that are available
downtown are listed.
Maybe I can answer better after more sleep. I only had 5 or 6 hours today
since I posted earlier.
--
Later,
`rita
Almost live from Finley, WA.
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Article 19138
From: Randy J. Jost" <rjost@ece.usu.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:48:04 -0600
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
James Gifford wrote:
>
> > So consider this thread a chance to say "this is why I'm not posting
> > these days"
>
> James and Maureen just passed fourteen months. Very large (as big as
> most 3-year-olds); very active; doing a good job wearing Audrey and me
> out, even with a nanny. We're planning to bring them up to Westercon and
> out to New York and Philcon.
>
> That's most of the reason Audrey and I don't post much these days. Four
> other kids in three different schools is another.
And the wonderful, exciting thing, is it just gets worse. :-) Soccer,
plays, science fairs, whatever, there is always something going on. By
the time they get to be 16, you are almost (I repeat, almost) glad that
they can drive themselves. It almost balances out the worry and the
wear and tear on the nerves.
> Audrey's business is in an aggressive growth phase, which eats her time;
> I quit my corporate job last month and am concentrating full time on
> NitroPress and private book development contracts. With ARC in the
> gunning for a Hugo, a new book about to go to press and a third in final
> editing, I have no time to more than skim NGs these days.
Do you have an estimated date of availability for the 2nd book yet?
Inquiring minds want to know, so they can start saving up their pennies.
Good luck on no longer being a corporate wage slave. Now you are owned
by yourself - probably a much tougher taskmaster.
Best regards,
Randy
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Article 19139
From: Randy J. Jost" <rjost@ece.usu.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:59:20 -0600
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
>
> So consider this thread a chance to say "this is why I'm not posting
> these days"--I'd especially be thrilled if longtime no-posts like
> bytor and Tomstaafl checked in.
Well, I dropped out of site about a year ago due to a series of things
happening, health and otherwise. Since then, I've changed jobs and
moved to Logan, UT, to see if what Jake Burroughs thought about the area
is true. By and large, it is - beautiful area, friendly people, plenty
of fun things to do, and not all of them involve green jello.
I'm now teaching in the Department of Electrical and Computer
Engineering and having a "good time". Unfortunatly, I've been without
the guidance of my spousal overunit (SO) since the end of January. She
has stayed in Las Cruces, NM to sell the house, while I've been up here
taking on the task of guiding/shaping/warping young minds. The good
news is that we got the house on contract last Saturday and the SO will
be able to come up here soon. Contractual things tied me up all Friday
and Saturday - faxes are truly a wonderful thing. Much joy, frolicing
and fun to follow when the SO arrives.
Glad to see that all the other Heinleiners are doing well, for the most
part. Our "baby" is 17 and starting her senior year in high school this
year, then off to college, so we are almost over the hump there.
Best regards to everyone.
Randy
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Article 19140
From: James Gifford <jgifford@rcsis.com>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:07:08 -0700
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
>> BTW, if you think you are losing sleep now, wait 'til Daniel is 16, and
>> out in the car. <VBG>
> Don't I know it. I'm not hurrying him past any stages, because I know
> I'll look back on this next year and think "that was the easy part".
No, worse: you'll look back and wistfully say, "Wasn't it neat when
he..."
Audrey and I are especially cognizant of these micro-stages passing,
because we're purt' damn sure these are our last babies. We won't get to
go through it again.
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Article 19141
From: James Gifford <jgifford@rcsis.com>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:14:08 -0700
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Randy J. Jost" wrote:
> And the wonderful, exciting thing, is it just gets worse. :-) Soccer,
> plays, science fairs, whatever, there is always something going on. By
> the time they get to be 16, you are almost (I repeat, almost) glad that
> they can drive themselves. It almost balances out the worry and the
> wear and tear on the nerves.
Well, Bob is 18 and off to Cal Poly in the fall, Laura is 16 and smoking
her way through the toughest prep school in the area, Caiti and Zahra
are 12/8 and jointly the cause of at least one call from the school each
day, and then there's the twins. Every school function makes us realize
that we have to do it for at least 17 more years. You'd think we had
enough experience/exhaustion to keep us from committing parenthood
again, but... well, I wouldn't trade it for anything. At all.
> Do you have an estimated date of availability for the 2nd book yet?
> Inquiring minds want to know, so they can start saving up their pennies.
It went to press yesterday. Official publication date is 7 July. ETA in
the warehouse: end of June. As soon as I have confirmation of the press
schedule, I'll post the banns and start taking advance orders.
> Good luck on no longer being a corporate wage slave. Now you are owned
> by yourself - probably a much tougher taskmaster.
I've worked more of my career for myself (or a variation, such as
contract) than for a salaried paycheck. I had planned on making this
stop my last one in the corporate world, but it was so insane - words
literally fail me - that Dilbert would have run screaming from the
place. Being back full-time on my own unicycle was planned; it's just a
year or two ahead of schedule.
So buy a book. Take two, they're small. :)
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| James Gifford - Nitrosyncretic Press - gifford@nitrosyncretic.com |
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Article 19142
From: Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 09:36:59 -0700
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"ddavitt" <ddavitt@netcom.ca> wrote in message
news:3B071759.C7A26E00@netcom.ca...
<snip>
> I am trying to work on the library section of the Heinlein Society.
> Anyone here know much about the Accelerated Reading Program in schools? I
> want to get more Heinlein on their book list. At the moment they only
> have Space Suit and Glory Road.
I don't know too much about it. What ages is it aimed at? I'm almost
surprised they picked Glory Road, given the sexual views at the end.
Filksinger
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Article 19143
From: Randy J. Jost" <rjost@ece.usu.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 13:54:46 -0600
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
James Gifford wrote:
>
> "Randy J. Jost" wrote:
> > And the wonderful, exciting thing, is it just gets worse. :-) Soccer,
> > plays, science fairs, whatever, there is always something going on. By
> > the time they get to be 16, you are almost (I repeat, almost) glad that
> > they can drive themselves. It almost balances out the worry and the
> > wear and tear on the nerves.
>
> Well, Bob is 18 and off to Cal Poly in the fall, Laura is 16 and smoking
> her way through the toughest prep school in the area, Caiti and Zahra
> are 12/8 and jointly the cause of at least one call from the school each
> day, and then there's the twins. Every school function makes us realize
> that we have to do it for at least 17 more years. You'd think we had
> enough experience/exhaustion to keep us from committing parenthood
> again,
Yes, I would! :-)
> but... well, I wouldn't trade it for anything. At all.
No, you are absolutely right. Of all the things one can do in the
world, this ranks but their as at the top of the list. Not only because
you pass on your genes, but because you can pass on your "essense"
through your raising of another independent, learning, growing mind.
Big responsibility, but big rewards.
Of course, I'm not saying that is the only way to leave a legacy - think
of the many "children" of Robert and Ginny Heinlein. We may not have
their genes, but we certainly have at least an appreciation of their
breadth of vision, if not a true committment to advancing some of those
ideas.
> > Do you have an estimated date of availability for the 2nd book yet?
> > Inquiring minds want to know, so they can start saving up their pennies.
>
> It went to press yesterday. Official publication date is 7 July. ETA in
> the warehouse: end of June. As soon as I have confirmation of the press
> schedule, I'll post the banns and start taking advance orders.
Any chance to get author's signatures (Bill's and Andy's) on these, like
your first, critically received, Hugo-nominated, work (Is that enought
pandering, or do you need more)? I'd pay a few extra dollars and it
might help the international balance of Gifford payments. Is Phil's
book still on schedule for mid to late August?
> > Good luck on no longer being a corporate wage slave. Now you are owned
> > by yourself - probably a much tougher taskmaster.
>
> I've worked more of my career for myself (or a variation, such as
> contract) than for a salaried paycheck. I had planned on making this
> stop my last one in the corporate world, but it was so insane - words
> literally fail me - that Dilbert would have run screaming from the
> place. Being back full-time on my own unicycle was planned; it's just a
> year or two ahead of schedule.
I know what you mean. I took a major, major pay cut to come back to
teaching, but am a lot happier than I was dealing with pointy-hair boss
types and corporate wage drones. Not that universities don't have their
own brand of knob-heads....
> So buy a book. Take two, they're small. :)
We'll see about that - depends on how many pieces of furniture need to
be leveled in the new house. :-) Are the T-shirts likely to still be
available when the book is ready for ordering? I'm actually giving
blood tonight, and think it would be interesting to wear one the next
time I go in to give blood. I figured if I ordered them both at the
same time it might save you a little shipping, since you can use the
shirt to wrap and pad the book. :-)
Randy
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Article 19144
From: James Gifford <jgifford@rcsis.com>
Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 22:30:34 -0700
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Randy J. Jost" wrote:
> No, you are absolutely right. Of all the things one can do in the
> world, this ranks but their as at the top of the list. Not only because
> you pass on your genes, but because you can pass on your "essense"
> through your raising of another independent, learning, growing mind.
> Big responsibility, but big rewards.
'Nuff said.
> Any chance to get author's signatures (Bill's and Andy's) on these, like
> your first, critically received, Hugo-nominated, work (Is that enought
> pandering, or do you need more)? I'd pay a few extra dollars and it
> might help the international balance of Gifford payments. Is Phil's
> book still on schedule for mid to late August?
I might be able to circulate a few copies for signatures, but it's
tricky, Andy lives in the middle of nowwhere (almost literally), and
Bill is peripatetic these days. But I'll be crossing with them at
Westercon, and maybe I can get a couple of copies signed. We're not
doing a special edition with this book. Might with Phillip's, which yes,
is in serious editing now (at last!) and is first-approximation-targeted
for press in time for Worldcon. (Backup case: I'll have proof editions
at Worldcon.)
>> So buy a book. Take two, they're small. :)
> We'll see about that - depends on how many pieces of furniture need to
> be leveled in the new house. :-)
Or on the shortage of firewood this winter.
> Are the T-shirts likely to still be available when the book is ready for ordering?
I'm down to about three, all XXL. They were an interesting experiment
but I don't know if I'll do any more; sold more slowly than I expected.
I've got a *lot* of projects coming up - some of which, if details work
out, will knock yer collective socks off - and I have to watch where my
capital lies. If you REALLY REALLY want one, let me know email and I'll
hold it for you, pending shipping of the new book.
> I figured if I ordered them both at the same time it might save you a little shipping,
> since you can use the shirt to wrap and pad the book. :-)
Beat you to it. Shirt shipping has always been free with a book order.
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| James Gifford - Nitrosyncretic Press - gifford@nitrosyncretic.com |
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Article 19145
From: Gordon G. Sollars <gsollars@pobox.com>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 00:46:24 -0400
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3b07055d.100905143@news.sff.net>, JT writes...
....
> So consider this thread a chance to say "this is why I'm not posting
> these days"
Apathy punctuated only by bouts of depression.
But have a nice day. ;-)
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Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 19146
From: Shane Glaseman <Shane.Glaseman@aero.org>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 08:51:23 -0700
Subject: Re: How are we all doing?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
> In article <3b07055d.100905143@news.sff.net>, JT writes...
> ...
> > So consider this thread a chance to say "this is why I'm not posting
> > these days"
Not that I post all that much, regardless of excuse, but:
1. All sortsa nonsense in job 1
2. Grading final exams in job 2
3. Jumping through the hoops required with international adoption (all
this baby stuff is making me rethink, though! :)
And like that.
Shane
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Article 19147
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:39:14 GMT
Subject: Gee Whiz"--a neat gadget
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Any other Palm users out there? I've had a Palm III and V, and just
got the m505, which is my first experience with color.
The color is not great, requires just the right lighting to look good,
but it is OK. This thing comes with 8 meg of RAM and I've got an
expansion card of 16 meg. So it's got more RAM than my first two PCs
did!
Some neat freebies came packaged with it, among them a photo program
so now I don't whip out my wallet to show pictures of Daniel, I get
out my Palm and do a slideshow. ;)
It also came with the AvantGo software. The way this works is they
package "channels" of web pages that are optimized to be downloaded to
the Palm. When you do a "synch" with your PC the AvantGo software
checks the web via your PC, and downloads new pages in your designated
channels. So I can take CNN's current stories with me, and the SciFi
Channel's "NewsWire". The really neat thing is you can design your
*own* channels, so in playing around I created a channel that consists
of the WebNews version of sff.discuss.heinlein-forum. Now I can bring
the HF with me! Of course, I can't compose replies, but it's a
heckuva lot smaller than a laptop.
If I wanted to spend another $100 I could get a wireless modem, but
then I'd also have a monthly charge to use their ISP to connect. That
would give me real-time web access, but at a very SLOOOW rate. No
thanks.
I mostly use the Palm for meeting reminders, but I also find it a
great address book. We've used it several times travelling. I also
synch my Outlook "Contacts" between work and home, so I only have to
maintain one list of email addresses (and it's backed up in three
places).
Anyway, if you've used a Palm and you have any software
recommendations, I'd love to hear about them. I'll read about
PocketPC stuff, too, I just am not going to have any direct experience
with them for a while.
JT
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