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Article 23526
From: Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante)
Date: 28 Mar 2004 00:09:40 GMT
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Someone whose name may sound familiar just submitted a review. Let's see
if it gets past their reviewer.
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Article 23527
From: Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante)
Date: 28 Mar 2004 00:20:29 GMT
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hmmm, the review is posted. Dunno if it will stay there, but it's up.
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Article 23528
From: JT
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:21:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 28 Mar 2004 00:09:40 GMT, Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante)
wrote:
>Someone whose name may sound familiar just submitted a review. Let's see
>if it gets past their reviewer.
Not being much of a Heinlein Scholar (tm), I had to use the online
concordance recently posted at www.heinleinsociety.org to look up
Holly Jones. Good show. ;)
JT
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Article 23529
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 04:42:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Someone whose name may sound familiar just submitted a review. Let's see
>if it gets past their reviewer.
Ooooh... "Holly" is gonna go to Hell!
LOL!
Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com
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Article 23530
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 28 Mar 2004 08:01:45 GMT
Subject: New at hs.org
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
New at The Heinlein Society site www.heinleinsociety.org :
David Silver on "The Long Watch"
A review of Methusaleh's Children.
Robert & Rex Heinlein at the Naval Academy, collected & compiled by DH Rule
and GE Rule.
And, for devotees of our "Upcoming Additions" on the Updates page, please
note J. Neil Schulman, Spider Robinson, and Tom Corbett on the horizon.
. .
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Article 23531
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 00:42:10 -0800
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <40661a4d.0@news.sff.net>,
Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante) wrote:
> Hmmm, the review is posted. Dunno if it will stay there, but it's up.
Kewl!
Holly Jones, 03/27/2004
"This is a profound video. I can never watch too much of this sort of
quality production. It would seem an easy choice, at first, for the
video's protagonist, Taylor Mitchell, to just write the paper the way
evil Dr. Heinlein wants, but of course, keeping the faith in the face of
science is never so easy. As Heinlein says, "History does not record
anywhere at any time a religion had any rational basis. Religion is a
crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without
help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time
and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure fiddling with
it." Of course, Heinlein is very much the "evil professor" of the
story, so everything he says is so counter to the truth of Jesus'
teachings. I mean, really, how can anyone take this buffoon seriously
when he spouts nonsense like, "The most preposterous notion that H.
sapiens has ever dreamed up is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and
Ruler of all the Universe, wants the saccharine adoration of His
creatures, can be swayed by their prayers, and becomes petulant if He
does not receive this flattery. Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred
of evidence to bolster it, pays all the expenses of the oldest, largest,
and least productive industry in all history." If that were true, 99%
of the world's population would seem to be hoodwinked by some colossal
conspiracy. So who's the other 1% pulling the strings, do you think?
It's just preposterous. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and
omnibenevolent -- it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind
capable of believing in all three of these divine attributes
simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks please.
Cash and in small bills. Just kidding. Men rarely (if ever) manage to
draw up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and
morals of a spoiled child. Jesus rules and Heinlein's the fool. Buy this
video and live the truth!"
Permission to allow AFH in on the joke, Sir?
--
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88
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Article 23532
From: Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante)
Date: 28 Mar 2004 13:21:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
AFH? alt.fan.heinlein? Permission granted.
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Article 23533
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:45:45 GMT
Subject: Resume
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
RESUME
George W. Bush
The White House, USA
LAW ENFORCEMENT:
I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for driving under the
influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been
"lost" and is not available.
MILITARY:
I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to
take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By
joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty
in Vietnam.
COLLEGE:
I graduated from Yale University. I was a cheerleader.
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil
Business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought an oil company, but
couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly
after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in
a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help
of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including
Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies,
Making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure,
Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.
I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions
in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any
Governor in American history.
With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's
appointments to the Supreme court, I became President even though I
lost by over 500,000 votes.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one
billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively
bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest
annual deficit in U.S. history. I set an economic record for most
private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time
record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.
I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a
criminal record. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation
in any one year period.
After taking-off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst
security failure in U.S. history.
I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a
WMD. In my State Of The Union Address, I lied about our reasons for
attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S.
president. In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost
their jobs and that trend continues every month.
I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any
president in U.S. history.
I appointed the US Attorney General who was so unpopular in his own
home state, Missouri, that he lost his previous election to a dead
man.
I set the record for least amount of press conferences than any
president since the advent of television.
I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused
to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in
duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in war time.
I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to
simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people)
shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of
mankind.
I've broken more international treaties than any president in U.S.
history.
I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any
administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza
Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
I am the first president in U.S. history to order an unprovoked,
pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.
I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
citizens, and the world community.
I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy
in the history of the United States government.
I am the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations
remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war
detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
I am the first president in history to refuse United Nations election
inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most
corporate campaign donations.
My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends,
Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in
U.S. history. My political party used the Enron private jets and
corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court
during my election decision.
I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against
investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent
investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent
investigating one of the biggest corporate ripoffs in history.
I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center
attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated
country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world
history.
I am first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%)
view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded
government contracts.
I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to catch Osama Bin Laden and
bring him to justice.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
All records of my tenure as Governor of Texas are now in my father's
library, sealed, and unavailable for public view.
All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my
bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public
view.
All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President,
attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and
unavailable for public review.
Please consider my experience when voting in 2004.
Send this to every voter you know.
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Article 23534
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 07:00:58 -0800
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <4066d176.0@news.sff.net>,
Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante) wrote:
> AFH? alt.fan.heinlein? Permission granted.
Yes. Thank you. Nice job!
--
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88
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Article 23535
From: Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante)
Date: 29 Mar 2004 13:41:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The Holly Jones review seems to have gone MIA, but now there are reviews
by Alex Hergensheimer and V. Michael Smith. Heh.
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Article 23536
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 07:24:52 -0800
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <40682799.0@news.sff.net>,
Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante) wrote:
> The Holly Jones review seems to have gone MIA, but now there are reviews
> by Alex Hergensheimer and V. Michael Smith. Heh.
Seems like it can only hold two at a time. Shame. I understand Maureen
Johnson of Thebes, Missouri, was thinking about recounting her
experiences with the good Pastor who so inspired her . . . by locking
her in the closet in his office so she could pray.
--
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88
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Article 23537
From: Kevin Patrick Crowley
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:57:22 -0600
Subject: Re: Resume
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
What an utter load of unthinking, partisan, prevaricated drivel. What
next? I was abducted by aliens and am having elvis' baby?
Yes Fader they are coming to get you. They will be using tin-foil
netting for you.
Kevin
Fader wrote:
> RESUME
>
> George W. Bush
> The White House, USA
>
>
> LAW ENFORCEMENT:
>
> I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for driving under the
> influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
> license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been
> "lost" and is not available.
>
>
> MILITARY:
>
> I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to
> take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By
> joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty
> in Vietnam.
>
>
> COLLEGE:
>
> I graduated from Yale University. I was a cheerleader.
>
>
> PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
>
> I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil
> Business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought an oil company, but
> couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly
> after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in
> a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help
> of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including
> Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.
>
>
> ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
>
> I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies,
> Making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure,
> Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.
> I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions
> in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any
> Governor in American history.
>
> With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's
> appointments to the Supreme court, I became President even though I
> lost by over 500,000 votes.
>
>
> ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
>
> I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one
> billion dollars per week. I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively
> bankrupted the U.S. Treasury. I shattered the record for the largest
> annual deficit in U.S. history. I set an economic record for most
> private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period. I set the all-time
> record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.
>
> I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a
> criminal record. I set the all-time record for most days on vacation
> in any one year period.
>
> After taking-off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst
> security failure in U.S. history.
>
> I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a
> WMD. In my State Of The Union Address, I lied about our reasons for
> attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
>
> I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S.
> president. In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost
> their jobs and that trend continues every month.
>
> I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12-month period.
>
> I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any
> president in U.S. history.
>
> I appointed the US Attorney General who was so unpopular in his own
> home state, Missouri, that he lost his previous election to a dead
> man.
>
> I set the record for least amount of press conferences than any
> president since the advent of television.
>
> I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused
> to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
>
> I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
>
> I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in
> duty benefits for active duty troops and their families in war time.
>
> I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to
> simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people)
> shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of
> mankind.
>
> I've broken more international treaties than any president in U.S.
> history.
>
> I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any
> administration in U.S. history. My "poorest millionaire," Condoleeza
> Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
>
> I am the first president in U.S. history to order an unprovoked,
> pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation.
>
> I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.
> citizens, and the world community.
>
> I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy
> in the history of the United States government.
>
> I am the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations
> remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
>
> I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
>
> I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. prisoners of war
> detainees and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
>
> I am the first president in history to refuse United Nations election
> inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
>
> I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most
> corporate campaign donations.
>
> My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends,
> Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in
> U.S. history. My political party used the Enron private jets and
> corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court
> during my election decision.
>
> I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against
> investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent
> investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent
> investigating one of the biggest corporate ripoffs in history.
>
> I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center
> attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated
> country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world
> history.
>
> I am first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%)
> view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
>
> I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded
> government contracts.
>
> I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to catch Osama Bin Laden and
> bring him to justice.
>
>
> RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
>
> All records of my tenure as Governor of Texas are now in my father's
> library, sealed, and unavailable for public view.
>
> All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my
> bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public
> view.
>
> All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President,
> attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and
> unavailable for public review.
>
> Please consider my experience when voting in 2004.
>
>
>
> Send this to every voter you know.
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Article 23538
From: Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante)
Date: 29 Mar 2004 18:22:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
All the "reviews" have now shown up again, when you hit the "More Reviews"
button on the front page. Previously, this was a mostly blank screen that
said something to the effect that a real person would have to approve the
reviews before they were posted. The reviewer is apparently none the wiser,
and the reviews got the required imprimatur.
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Article 23539
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:07:58 GMT
Subject: Re: Resume
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:57:22 -0600, Kevin Patrick Crowley
<kevin.crowley@crowleyenterprises.com> wrote:
>What an utter load of unthinking, partisan, prevaricated drivel. What
>next? I was abducted by aliens and am having elvis' baby?
>
>Yes Fader they are coming to get you. They will be using tin-foil
>netting for you.
Kevin -
You get more amusing all the time. I notice that you don't refute any
of it tho, just offer a "pesonal attack" so I'll reply in kind.
Go fuck yourself.
Fader
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Article 23540
From: Kevin Patrick Crowley
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:27:24 -0600
Subject: Re: Resume
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
That's the stuff Fader. That's an intellectual argument. You will also
notice most people just avoided your post entirely. I on the other
hand called you on it.
Kevin
Fader wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:57:22 -0600, Kevin Patrick Crowley
> <kevin.crowley@crowleyenterprises.com> wrote:
>
>
>>What an utter load of unthinking, partisan, prevaricated drivel. What
>>next? I was abducted by aliens and am having elvis' baby?
>>
>>Yes Fader they are coming to get you. They will be using tin-foil
>>netting for you.
>
>
> Kevin -
>
> You get more amusing all the time. I notice that you don't refute any
> of it tho, just offer a "pesonal attack" so I'll reply in kind.
>
> Go fuck yourself.
>
> Fader
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Article 23541
From: Kevin Patrick Crowley
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 05:17:46 -0600
Subject: Re: Resume
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Refutation begins.
Fader wrote:
> RESUME
>
> George W. Bush
> The White House, USA
>
>
> LAW ENFORCEMENT:
>
> I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for driving under the
> influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's
> license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been
> "lost" and is not available.
The Sainted Fader can't handle that someone in the mid 70's made a
mistake with alcohol. No influence exerted he just stood up paid the fine.
>
>
> MILITARY:
>
> I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to
> take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By
> joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty
> in Vietnam.
He joined a Guard unit that had elements in Vietnam at the time he
joined it. He flew a very dangerous plane that had a high fatality rate
especially among new pilots. He did volunteer for duty that would have
rotated him in theater but they started to phase out the plane he was
strained for. He did not refuse to take a drug test he missed a flight
physical. If you have even a slight cold during a flight physical you
get down checked. If you miss it you just take it later. SOP for then
and I believe to this day.
>
>
> COLLEGE:
>
> I graduated from Yale University. I was a cheerleader.
HE also has an MBA. What do you have?
>
>
> PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
>
> I ran for U.S. Congress and lost. I began my career in the oil
> Business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought an oil company, but
> couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly
> after I sold all my stock. I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in
> a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money. With the help
> of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including
> Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.
I really don't have time to try to explain how the oil exploration
industry works. Suffice it to say that no one in considers you a member
of that fraternity unless you have lost at least one company.
As for the Texas rangers thing. I have never heard there was any
illegality involved and they cut no public deals that were not similar
to what every other owner in baseball tries to get even now.
I should hope his father would support his running for governor. Would
yours?
>
>
> ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
>
> I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies,
> Making Texas the most polluted state in the Union. During my tenure,
> Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.
> I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions
> in borrowed money. I set the record for the most executions by any
> Governor in American history.
You do realize that Houston is also one of the most hot and humid cities
in the country. It doesn't take much for thermal inversion to occur.
The Texas Governor has almost no authority to STOP executions. The
Governor has just the power to issue temporary stays and can only issue
a limited number of those.
>
> With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's
> appointments to the Supreme court, I became President even though I
> lost by over 500,000 votes.
All of the recounts in Florida even post decision show that he won
Florida. All of the decisions by the SCOTUS had to do with making the
Florida Supreme Court follow the laws of Florida. Do I also now have to
give a lecture on how the Electoral college works? Or should I bring up
voting irregularities here in Wisconsin that had operatives from the DNC
giving the homeless cigarettes and driving them to polling places? Gore
won Wisconsin by 5700 votes. There were numerous other violations all
of them by Democrats.
I really don't have time for refuting the rest of the polemic which you
didn't even have the guts to actually write and have not given credit to
who actually did. Plagiarism is such an Ugly word.
Suffice it to say I think everyone here knows you hate ANYONE with the
name of Bush. If you want a debate on the issues that would be great.
I can then bring up the John Kerry War record or, as it is known in some
circles, the greatest piece of self-aggrandizement since Mein Kampf.
Three Purple Hearts in 4 months and he never missed a day. The mind
boggles.
Kevin
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Article 23542
From: Wendy of NJ
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:34:00 -0500
Subject: Re: Resume
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Kevin Patrick Crowley wrote:
> Refutation begins.
> Fader wrote:
>
>> RESUME
>> George W. Bush The White House, USA
>>
<snipping of all of the political stuff>
> Suffice it to say I think everyone here knows you hate ANYONE with the
> name of Bush.
Surely not KATE Bush? Say it ain't so, Fader!
(BTW, I have sent this email on to others who would appreciate it, so it
hasn't gone ignored)
-Wendy of NJ (back to lurking)
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Article 23543
From: JT
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:43:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Resume
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 04:27:24 -0600, Kevin Patrick Crowley
<kevin.crowley@crowleyenterprises.com> wrote:
>That's the stuff Fader. That's an intellectual argument. You will also
>notice most people just avoided your post entirely. I on the other
>hand called you on it.
>
>Kevin
>
Well, while I don't really like the coarseness of Fader's particular
vernacular in print, I wasn't avoiding anything--I just didn't have
time to even read here the last few days.
If you're pro-Bush, you're not going to like that kind of piece. I'm
just as happy for someone to post Kerry satire, too.
Oh, and "the Sainted Fader"? Kevin, I really hope you and Fader meet
someday. I'll look forward to that even more than when Jai met
Tomstaafl waaay back. ;)
JT
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Article 23544
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 01:52:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Resume
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:34:00 -0500, Wendy of NJ <voxwoman@hotmail.com>
wrote:
>Surely not KATE Bush? Say it ain't so, Fader!
>
She's alright, admittly tho, there're other's I like more.
Fader
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Article 23545
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 31 Mar 2004 03:35:03 GMT
Subject: Even More New Stuff at hs.org
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Always check out the Updates page at
http://www.heinleinsociety.org/updates.html to figure out what's new, what
you've missed, and what's on the horizon. . .
Already up:
David Wright looks at "All You Zombies"
"Robert Heinlein: Murder Suspect" by D. A. Houdek and G. E. Rule
Tomorrow (Wednesday) we'll be adding J. Neil Schulman's "The Lost Manuals".
And, on the horizon (he said smugly), a little golden age action with the
great John W. Campbell. . .
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Article 23546
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:37:41 -0800
Subject: Re: Bad Professor Heinlein
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <40686966.0@news.sff.net>,
Brian_Plante@sff.net (Brian Plante) wrote:
> All the "reviews" have now shown up again, when you hit the "More Reviews"
> button on the front page. Previously, this was a mostly blank screen that
> said something to the effect that a real person would have to approve the
> reviews before they were posted. The reviewer is apparently none the wiser,
> and the reviews got the required imprimatur.
They had so much action, apparently someone twigged, so they're all down
now; but it was a fine bunch of reviews . . .
--
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88
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Article 23547
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 08:43:15 GMT
Subject: Baroque Cycle
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Eli, & anyone else interested -
An interview with Neal Stephenson at the following link:
http://www.baroquecycle.com/interview.htm
Stumbled across it while doing a search for Qwghlm.(from which my head
still hurts<g>)
Fader
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Article 23548
From: Eli Hestermann
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 05:52:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Baroque Cycle
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Thanks for the heads-up, Fader! It was an interesting read, although I
wish the interviewer would've pressed him more about Enoch Root.
--
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@charter.net
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca
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Article 23549
From: Filksinger"
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 10:26:41 -0700
Subject: Refridgerator for the Masses!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I direct you to this, because it is to me the epitome of what technology in
the Third World should be: straightforward, inexpensive, readily produced in
the Third World itself. It is, if anything, almost too far in all three.:)
It also has the fourth, most important quality: considerable benefits beyond
its own direct applicability, as, among its various other effects, it
drastically increases education among young girls.
http://www.varaprasad.htmlplanet.com/custom3.html
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 23550
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 04:44:19 GMT
Subject: Re: Baroque Cycle
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 05:52:02 -0400, Eli Hestermann
<ehestermann@charter.net> wrote:
>Thanks for the heads-up, Fader! It was an interesting read, although I
>wish the interviewer would've pressed him more about Enoch Root.
De Nada, guess you can't have everything.
So, The Confusion, sometime this month.
Fader
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Article 23551
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:05:49 -0700
Subject: Pons and Flieschmann Get the Last Laugh?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
It looks like the palladium/deuterium cold fusion claimed by Pons and
Flieschmann fifteen years ago might actually be a reality. Not only are a
number of ealy vocal critics admit that it works, but the US Department of
Energy is about to do a review of claims of up to 100% repproducibility in
cold fusion experiments. They also have found out where the deadly neutron
radiation that should have been produced has gone - Helium-4.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/exclusive/2004/ColdFusion_DOE/index.html
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 23552
From: Kevin Patrick Crowley
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:32:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Pons and Flieschmann Get the Last Laugh?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
That is interesting news. There is fusion progrees on another front
that had seemed discredited not so long ago.
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/energy-tech-04n.html
Ultrasonics anyone.
Kevin
Filksinger wrote:
> It looks like the palladium/deuterium cold fusion claimed by Pons and
> Flieschmann fifteen years ago might actually be a reality. Not only are a
> number of ealy vocal critics admit that it works, but the US Department of
> Energy is about to do a review of claims of up to 100% repproducibility in
> cold fusion experiments. They also have found out where the deadly neutron
> radiation that should have been produced has gone - Helium-4.
>
> http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/exclusive/2004/ColdFusion_DOE/index.html
>
>
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Article 23553
From: Catherine Hampton
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 16:00:47 -0700
Subject: Re: Pons and Flieschmann Get the Last Laugh?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:05:49 -0700, "Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net>
wrote:
>It looks like the palladium/deuterium cold fusion claimed by Pons and
>Flieschmann fifteen years ago might actually be a reality. Not only are a
>number of ealy vocal critics admit that it works, but the US Department of
>Energy is about to do a review of claims of up to 100% repproducibility in
>cold fusion experiments. They also have found out where the deadly neutron
>radiation that should have been produced has gone - Helium-4.
>
>http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/exclusive/2004/ColdFusion_DOE/index.html
David, is there information about this process elsewhere on a less...
er... advocatorial site? The article on this site is so full of hyperbole
that I find myself mistrusting what facts it offers -- it sounds like it
was written by salesmen rather than scientists.
--
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Article 23554
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 18:22:49 -0700
Subject: Re: Pons and Flieschmann Get the Last Laugh?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
If I wasn't at work, I would have chosen a better story with which to start.
Here are some alternatives. The first is possibly the best:
http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-4/p27.html
http://www.sltrib.com/2004/Mar/03272004/nation_w/151658.asp
http://www.technewsworld.com/perl/story/33299.html
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
Catherine Hampton wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:05:49 -0700, "Filksinger"
> <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>
>> It looks like the palladium/deuterium cold fusion claimed by Pons and
>> Flieschmann fifteen years ago might actually be a reality. Not only
>> are a number of ealy vocal critics admit that it works, but the US
>> Department of Energy is about to do a review of claims of up to 100%
>> repproducibility in cold fusion experiments. They also have found
>> out where the deadly neutron radiation that should have been
>> produced has gone - Helium-4.
>>
>>
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/exclusive/2004/ColdFusion_DOE/index.html
>
> David, is there information about this process elsewhere on a less...
> er... advocatorial site? The article on this site is so full of
> hyperbole that I find myself mistrusting what facts it offers -- it
> sounds like it was written by salesmen rather than scientists.
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Article 23555
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 21:58:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Pons and Flieschmann Get the Last Laugh?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Kevin: What an amazing breakthrough!
I took a guided tour of the Princeton Plasma Physics Labs a few
years ago and was impressed with the progress that they had achieved
in magnetic confinement (Tokamak). They were at a stage of
development where the next step was a pilot fusion electric power
plant. More energy out than went in. Unfortunately, the US
gov'ment funds were not made to available to PPPL to build the
"ITER" which would have produced a large surplus of energy, but was
cost prohibitive (damn'd expensive).
I am glad to hear that progress is being made in other, related
fields.
Ed J
On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:32:05 -0500, Kevin Patrick Crowley
<kevin.crowley@crowleyenterprises.com> wrote:
>That is interesting news. There is fusion progrees on another front
>that had seemed discredited not so long ago.
>
>http://www.spacedaily.com/news/energy-tech-04n.html
>
>Ultrasonics anyone.
>
>Kevin
>
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Article 23556
From: David M. Silver"
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 02:35:08 -0700
Subject: Heinlein Society at Norwescon this weekend
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I'll be at Norwescon this weekend in Seattle, as previously noted.
Norwescon is conducted at the DoubleTree Seattle Airport Hotel, 18740
International Boulevard, SeaTac, WA. See:
http://www.norwescon.org/
We are supporting or conducting the following events you may find
worthwhile and worth your support:
1. A blood drive, on Friday, April 8, 10 AM to 4 PM in the "Salon" (in
the tower) at the DoubleTree;
2. A special private showing on Friday, April 8, starting at 8 PM,
sharp!, in The Heinlein Society's Tower Suite 1375 at the DoubleTree, of
the CBS Walter Cronkite inteview of Arthur Clarke and Robert Heinlein on
July 20, 1969, the day of the moon landing by Apollo 11. This is THS'
archive copy left it by Virginia Heinlein, it may not be rebroadcast, is
shown for educational purposes only, and only Heinlein Society members
and prospective members are invited.
3. A panel, Heinlein 101: "All of Heinlein in Fifty-Five Minutes!"
[heh!] The scheduled panelists include Greg Bear, Joe Haldeman, Raymond
McCauley, Sarah de Ameida Hoyt, and David Silver. An unscheduled
panelist will be added: Michael H. Hunter. Mr. Hunter is the student of
Dr. Leon Stover who preserved and turned over to the Society his
workking copy of the manuscript copy of For Us, the Living. The panel
will be held at 5 PM, on Saturday, April 9, in Evergreen 3, at the
DoubleTree.
4. A special reception, jointly with Cascadia Con 2005 (NASFIC) in The
Heinlein Society's Tower Suite 1375 at the DoubleTree, on Saturday,
April 9.
If you read this newsgroup regularly, you are either a member or a
potential member of the Society. Please do not hesitate to attend the
above events. We'll look forward to meeting you, and discussing how you
can "Pay It Forward."
I can be contacted at the above Suite, from noon, Thursday, April 7th,
until check out time on Monday. I hope to see as many of you as possible.
Best regards,
--
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88
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Article 23557
From: Kevin Patrick Crowley
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:38:44 -0500
Subject: Re: Pons and Flieschmann Get the Last Laugh?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I don't which of the three approaches is going to win the battle to get
real susteainable energy output but there is some talk that a
combination of the palladium catylyst and the ultrasonic might be the
winner.
kevin
Ed Johnson wrote:
> Kevin: What an amazing breakthrough!
> I took a guided tour of the Princeton Plasma Physics Labs a few
> years ago and was impressed with the progress that they had achieved
> in magnetic confinement (Tokamak). They were at a stage of
> development where the next step was a pilot fusion electric power
> plant. More energy out than went in. Unfortunately, the US
> gov'ment funds were not made to available to PPPL to build the
> "ITER" which would have produced a large surplus of energy, but was
> cost prohibitive (damn'd expensive).
> I am glad to hear that progress is being made in other, related
> fields.
>
> Ed J
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 14:32:05 -0500, Kevin Patrick Crowley
> <kevin.crowley@crowleyenterprises.com> wrote:
>
>
>>That is interesting news. There is fusion progrees on another front
>>that had seemed discredited not so long ago.
>>
>>http://www.spacedaily.com/news/energy-tech-04n.html
>>
>>Ultrasonics anyone.
>>
>>Kevin
>>
>
>
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Article 23558
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:43:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Pons and Flieschmann Get the Last Laugh?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Kevin: Upon further reading, it turns out that there has been some
progress on the ITER. Miles of superconducting wire has been wound
into a few powerful 'confinement' electromagnets and some
preliminary test were conducted. If it is ever completed the ITER
is slated to produce 500 Megawatts for 500 seconds. Enough for
proof of concept for a power plant. This sucker is big and costly.
It could have been built 7 years ago if several hundred million $
were spent.
The PPPL funds were drastically cut and the west coast (inertial
confinement, i.e. laser fusion) got some money.
I hope that we press forward with all three and find out which
turn out to be practical power sources.
Ed J
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 11:38:44 -0500, Kevin Patrick Crowley
<kevin.crowley@crowleyenterprises.com> wrote:
>I don't which of the three approaches is going to win the battle to get
>real susteainable energy output but there is some talk that a
>combination of the palladium catylyst and the ultrasonic might be the
>winner.
>
>kevin
>
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Article 23559
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2004 00:47:26 -0400
Subject: FAA gives Rutan the OK?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ok, the Scaled Composites web site hasn't mentioned this yet, but it is up
on the www.xprize.org site, and other places...
The FAA has approved suborbital flights for Burt Rutan's SpaceShipOne, up to
an altitude of 60 miles. The combination of SS1 and it's turbojet launch
vehicle White Knight have so far managed an altitude of 12.9 miles. If they
can successfully launch SS1 and get it to the FAA-allowed 60 miles, they'll
be awfully close to the terms of the x-prize (62 miles, 3 people, do it
twice within a week)
And commercial flights? I salivate at the prospect!
This site has a nice quick overview:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/08/space_tourism/
WJaKe
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Article 23560
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:25:29 -0400
Subject: Re: FAA gives Rutan the OK?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
And Thursday, they reached 20 miles and Mach 2!
Further rumour indicates that the FAA may approve another license for
suborbital flight as early as next week.
WJaKe
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Article 23561
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:47:22 -0400
Subject: Re: FAA gives Rutan the OK?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 4/9/04 12:47 AM, in article 40762ab2.0@news.sff.net, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Ok, the Scaled Composites web site hasn't mentioned this yet, but it is up
> on the www.xprize.org site, and other places...
>
> The FAA has approved suborbital flights for Burt Rutan's SpaceShipOne, up to
> an altitude of 60 miles.
WJake:
Does the license itself actually say 60 miles (as opposed to 62 mi/100 km),
or did you get that number from a news story? It's hard for me to imagine
Rutan would have even applied for an altitude so close to, yet still short
of, the X-Prize goal... Especially since the license is good for 1 year,
which puts any potential follow-on license *after* the expiration of the X
Prize.
Much easier to believe some reporter thought 62 seemed unusual and rounded
it off to the nearest "round" number.
BTW, the Canadian group, the da Vinci Project, is set to formally announce
its launch date (reportedly sometime this summer, from a site in
Saskatchewan) in a few days... so the X Prize is shaping up as a real horse
race.
-Bill
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Article 23562
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:41:40 -0400
Subject: Re: FAA gives Rutan the OK?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Bill Dauphin" <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:BC9D9D5A.C03-dauphinb@ix.netcom.com...
> On 4/9/04 12:47 AM, in article 40762ab2.0@news.sff.net, "William J.
Keaton"
> <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> > Ok, the Scaled Composites web site hasn't mentioned this yet, but it is
up
> > on the www.xprize.org site, and other places...
> >
> > The FAA has approved suborbital flights for Burt Rutan's SpaceShipOne,
up to
> > an altitude of 60 miles.
>
> WJake:
>
> Does the license itself actually say 60 miles (as opposed to 62 mi/100
km),
> or did you get that number from a news story? It's hard for me to imagine
> Rutan would have even applied for an altitude so close to, yet still short
> of, the X-Prize goal... Especially since the license is good for 1 year,
> which puts any potential follow-on license *after* the expiration of the X
> Prize.
>
I have not seen the license; the 60 mile figure is from a news report. The
FAA Press Release http://www.faa.gov/apa/pr/pr.cfm?id=1833 does not mention
a specific number, just "sub-orbital flights". The FAA does mention the 62
mile high number, referencing the X-Prize in their press release.
Now here is the weird thing: On the X-Prize website, their press release
says "the license will allow the spacecraft to reach the edge of space,
about 60 miles up." Then in the next paragraph they remind us that it takes
62.5 miles to qualify for the X-Prize. I guess it's this unwavering need for
consistency and accuracy that keeps us from the stars, eh?
WJaKe
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Article 23563
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 04:48:27 GMT
Subject: Re: FAA gives Rutan the OK?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>about 60 miles up." Then in the next paragraph they remind us that it takes
>62.5 miles to qualify for the X-Prize.
Or the X-Prize has an unstated requirement that the winners be rule
breakers?
Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com
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Article 23564
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:01:25 -0400
Subject: Re: FAA gives Rutan the OK?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
WJake/Deb: When the FAA issues a license for experimental aircraft
is there a strict upper altitude limit? If someone launched a
private space craft too high and say, damaged a commercial or
military satellite, would the launchers be legally liable? If
someone were testing an experimental craft and it greatly exceeded
expectations, would this success be penalized?
Ed J
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 04:48:27 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
>
>>about 60 miles up." Then in the next paragraph they remind us that it takes
>>62.5 miles to qualify for the X-Prize.
>
> Or the X-Prize has an unstated requirement that the winners be rule
>breakers?
>
>
>Deb Houdek Rule
>http://www.dahoudek.com
>http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
>http://www.robertaheinlein.com
>http://www.heinleinsociety.org
>http://www.heinleinprize.com
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Article 23565
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:45:13 GMT
Subject: Re: FAA gives Rutan the OK?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Perhaps the question is, what is the FAA's limit on their control of
altitude? What's our territorial limit in an 'up' direction?
Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com
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Article 23566
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:24:05 -0400
Subject: Hugo and Retro Hugo Nominees
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Shamelessly lifted from sff.cons.worldcon:
April 9, 2004
Noreascon Four
The 62nd World Science Fiction Convention
P.O. Box 1010
Framingham, MA 01701
info@noreascon.org
http://www.noreascon.org
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Noreascon Four is delighted to announce the nominees for the 2004 Hugo
Awards (for work done in 2003) and the 1954 Retrospective Hugo Awards
(for work done in 1953). The Hugo Awards are science fiction's highest
honor for professional and fan work, and the Retrospective Hugo Awards
honor people and work from years when Hugo Awards were not given.
The winners will be announced in ceremonies at the 62nd World Science
Fiction Convention in Boston, MA, Sept. 2-6, 2004.
Final voting for the Hugo and Retrospective Hugo Awards will begin in
May; only supporting and attending members of Noreascon Four may vote
on the Hugo and Retrospective Hugo Awards. Physical ballots will be
included in Progress Report 6, due to be mailed in late April. Online
voting will be available to all eligible voters, and printable versions
of the ballot will also be included on the Noreascon Four web site
(see http://www.noreascon.org/hugos).
To join Noreascon Four and vote for your favorite works and people,
write us at the address above or see our web pages for more information.
The 2004 Hugo Awards nominations listed below include finalists in 13
categories, plus the John W. Campbell Award (not a Hugo).
2003 Hugo Award Nominees
Best Novel (462 ballots)
* Paladin of Souls by Lois McMaster Bujold (Eos)
* Humans by Robert Sawyer (Tor Books)
* Ilium by Dan Simmons (Eos)
* Singularity Sky by Charles Stross (Ace Books)
* Blind Lake by Robert Charles Wilson (Tor Books)
Best Novella (215 ballots)
* "Walk in Silence" by Catherine Asaro (Analog, April 2003)
* "Empress of Mars" by Kage Baker (Asimov's, July 2003)
* "The Green Leopard Plague" by Walter Jon Williams (Asimov's,
Oct.-Nov. 2003)
* "Just Like the Ones We Used to Know" by Connie Willis (Asimov's,
Dec. 2003)
* "The Cookie Monster" by Vernor Vinge (Analog, Oct. 2003)
Best Novelette (243 ballots)
* "Empire of Ice Cream" by Jeffrey Ford (Sci Fiction, scifi.com,
Feb. 2003)
* "Bernardo's House" by James Patrick Kelly (Asimov's, June 2003)
* "Into the Gardens of Sweet Night" by Jay Lake (Writers of the
Future XIX, Bridge, 2003)
* "Hexagons" by Robert Reed (Asimov's, July 2003)
* "Nightfall" by Charles Stross (Asimov's, April 2003)
* "Legions in Time" by Michael Swanwick (Asimov's, April 2003)
Best Short Story (310 ballots)
* "Paying It Forward" by Michael A. Burstein (Analog, Sept. 2003)
* "A Study in Emerald" by Neil Gaiman (Shadows over Baker Street,
Del Rey, 2003)
* "Four Short Novels" by Joe Haldeman (Fantasy & Science Fiction,
Nov. 2003)
* "The Tale of the Golden Eagle" by David D. Levine (Fantasy & Science
Fiction, June 2003)
* "Robots Don't Cry" by Mike Resnick (Asimov's, July 2003)
Best Related Book (243 ballots)
* Scores: Reviews 1993-2003 by John Clute (Beccon Publications, 2003)
* Spectrum 10: The Best in Fantastic Contemporary Art by Cathy & Arnie
Fenner (Underwood Books, 2003)
* The Chesley Awards for SF & Fantasy Art: A Retrospective by John
Grant, Elizabeth L. Humphrey, & Pamela D. Scoville (Artist's &
Photographer's Press Ltd., 2003)
* Dreamer of Dune: The Biography of Frank Herbert by Brian Herbert (Tor
Books, 2003)
* The Thackery T. Lambshead Guide to Eccentric & Discredited Diseases
by Jeff Vandermeer & Mark Roberts (Night Shade Books, 2003)
* Master Storyteller: An Illustrated Tour of the Fiction of L. Ron
Hubbard by William J. Widder (Bridge, 2003)
Best Dramatic Presentation-Long Form (363 ballots)
* 28 Days Later (DNA Films/Fox Searchlight). Directed by Danny Boyle;
written by Alex Garland.
* Finding Nemo (Pixar/Walt Disney Pictures). Directed by Andrew Stanton
& Lee Unkrich; screenplay by Andrew Stanton, Bob Peterson & David
Reynolds; story by Andrew Stanton.
* The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (New Line Cinema).
Directed by Peter Jackson; screenplay by Fran Walsh, Philippa Boyens &
Peter Jackson; based on the novel by J.R.R. Tolkien.
* Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (Walt Disney
Pictures). Directed by Gore Verbinski; screenplay by Ted Elliott &
Terry Rossio; screen story by Ted Elliott, Terry Rossio, Stuart Beattie &
Jay Wolpert.
* X2: X-Men United (20th Century Fox/Marvel). Directed by Bryan Singer;
screenplay by Michael Dougherty, Dan Harris & David Hayter;
story by Zak Penn, David Hayter & Bryan Singer.
Best Dramatic Presentation-Short Form (212 ballots)
* "Chosen" - Buffy the Vampire Slayer (Mutant Enemy Inc./20th Century
Fox). Written and directed by Joss Whedon.
* "Gollum's Acceptance Speech at the 2003 MTV Movie Awards" (Wingnut
Films/New Line Cinema). Written and directed by Fran Walsh, Philippa
Boyens & Peter Jackson.
* "Heart of Gold" - Firefly (Mutant Enemy Inc./20th Century Fox).
Directed by Thomas J. Wright; written by Brett Matthews.
* "Message" - Firefly (Mutant Enemy Inc./20th Century Fox). Directed by
Tim Minear; written by Joss Whedon & Tim Minear.
* "Rosetta" - Smallville (Tollin/Robbins Productions/Warner Brothers).
Directed by James Marshall; written by Al Gough & Miles Millar.
Best Professional Editor (319 ballots)
* Ellen Datlow
* Gardner Dozois
* David Hartwell
* Stanley Schmidt
* Gordon Van Gelder
Best Professional Artist (241 ballots)
* Jim Burns
* Bob Eggleton
* Frank Frazetta
* Frank Kelly Freas
* Donato Giancola
Best Semi-Prozine (199 ballots)
* Ansible, ed. Dave Langford
* Interzone, ed. David Pringle
* Locus, ed. Charles N. Brown, Jennifer A. Hall, and Kirsten Gong-Wong
* The New York Review of Science Fiction, ed. Kathryn Cramer, David G.
Hartwell, and Kevin Maroney
* Third Alternative, ed. Andy Cox
Best Fanzine (211 ballots)
* Challenger, ed. Guy H. Lillian III
* Emerald City, ed. Cheryl Morgan
* File 770, ed. Mike Glyer
* Mimosa, ed. Rich and Nicki Lynch
* Plokta, ed. Alison Scott, Steve Davies, and Mike Scott
Best Fan Writer (260 ballots)
* Jeff Berkwits
* Bob Devney
* John L. Flynn
* Dave Langford
* Cheryl Morgan
Best Fan Artist (190 ballots)
* Brad Foster
* Teddy Harvia
* Sue Mason
* Steve Stiles
* Frank Wu
The John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer (192 ballots)
* Jay Lake (second year of eligibility)
* David D. Levine (second year of eligibility)
* Karin Lowachee (second year of eligibility)
* Chris Moriarty (first year of eligibility)
* Tim Pratt (second year of eligibility)
Note: This award is not a Hugo; it is sponsored by Dell Magazines.
Retrospective Hugo Awards for work done in 1953
Below are nominations in 10 categories for the best work of 1953. Three
categories were dropped for insufficient nominees: Best Dramatic
Presentation-Long Form, Best Semi-Prozine, and Best Fan Artist.
Best Novel of 1953 (113 ballots)
* The Caves of Steel by Isaac Asimov (Galaxy, Oct.-Dec. 1953)
* Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury (Ballantine)
* Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke (Ballantine)
* Mission of Gravity by Hal Clement (Astounding, Feb.-July 1953)
* More than Human by Theodore Sturgeon (Ballantine)
Best Novella of 1953 (67 ballots)
* "Un-Man" by Poul Anderson (Astounding, Jan. 1953)
* "A Case of Conscience" by James Blish (If, Sept. 1953)
* "The Rose" by Charles L. Harness (Authentic Science Fiction Monthly,
March 1953)
* "Daughters of Earth" by Judith Merrill (The Petrified Planet, Twayne,
1953)
* "...and my fear is great..." by Theodore Sturgeon (Beyond Fantasy Fiction,
July 1953)
Best Novelette of 1953 (66 ballots)
* "Sam Hall" by Poul Anderson (Astounding, Aug. 1953)
* "The Adventure of the Misplaced Hound" by Poul Anderson & Gordon R.
Dickson (Universe, Dec. 1953)
* "Earthman, Come Home" by James Blish (Astounding, Nov. 1953)
* "The Wall Around the World" by Theodore Cogswell (Beyond Fantasy
Fiction, Sept. 1953)
* "Second Variety" by Philip K. Dick (Space Science Fiction, May 1953)
Best Short Story of 1953 (96 ballots)
* "Star Light, Star Bright" by Alfred Bester (Fantasy & Science Fiction,
July 1953)
* "It's a Good Life" by Jerome Bixby (Star Science Fiction Stories #2,
Ballantine)
* "The Nine Billion Names of God" by Arthur C. Clarke (Star Science
Fiction Stories #1, Ballantine)
* "Seventh Victim" by Robert Sheckley (Galaxy, April 1953)
* "A Saucer of Loneliness" by Theodore Sturgeon (Galaxy, Feb. 1953)
Best Related Book of 1953 (21 ballots)
* Conquest of the Moon by Wernher von Braun, Fred L. Whipple & Willy
Ley (Viking Press)
* Modern Science Fiction: Its Making and Future by Reginald Bretnor
(Coward-McCann)
* Science-Fiction Handbook by L. Sprague de Camp (Hermitage)
Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form, of 1953 (96 ballots)
* The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms (Mutual Pictures/Warner Brothers).
Directed by Eugène Lourié; screenplay by Louis Morheim and Fred
Freiberger; based on the story by Ray Bradbury.
* Duck Dodgers in the 24 1/2 th Century (Warner Brothers). Directed by
Chuck Jones; written by Michael Maltese.
* Invaders from Mars (National Pictures/20th Century Fox). Directed by
William Cameron Menzies; screenplay by Richard Blake; story by John
Tucker Battle.
* It Came from Outer Space (Universal). Directed by Jack Arnold;
screenplay by Harry Essex; story by Ray Bradbury.
* The War of the Worlds (Paramount Pictures). Directed by Byron Haskin;
screenplay by Barré Lyndon; based on the novel by H.G. Wells.
Best Professional Editor of 1953 (49 ballots)
* Anthony Boucher
* John W. Campbell, Jr.
* H. L. Gold
* Frederik Pohl
* Donald A. Wollheim
Best Professional Artist of 1953 (68 ballots)
* Chesley Bonestell
* Ed Emshwiller
* Virgil Finlay
* Frank Kelly Freas
* Richard Powers
Best Fanzine of 1953 (36 ballots)
* Hyphen, ed. Chuck Harris & Walt Willis
* Quandry, ed. Lee Hoffman
* Science Fiction Newsletter, ed. Bob Tucker
* Sky Hook, ed. Redd Boggs
* Slant, ed. Walter Willis; art editor James White
Best Fan Writer of 1953 (38 ballots)
* Redd Boggs
* Lee Hoffman
* Bob Tucker
* James White
* Walter A. Willis
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Article 23567
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:35:06 -0400
Subject: Re: FAA gives Rutan the OK?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote in message
news:6lqi709a214kma125g7r054tc9gscrs22b@4ax.com...
> WJake/Deb: When the FAA issues a license for experimental aircraft
> is there a strict upper altitude limit?
Yes and no:
This is from the FAA Office of Commercial Space Tranportation, in their
Notice and Request for Comment on Suborbital Rocket Launch. First, who needs
a license from CST:
To summarize, a suborbital rocket subject to CSLA licensing is a
rocket-propelled vehicle intended for flight on a suborbital
trajectory, whose thrust is greater than its lift for the majority of
the powered portion of its flight.
And now, the definition of "suborbital trajectory":
The FAA rulemaking regarding RLV missions, concluded in 2000,
addressed ``suborbital trajectory'' in the context of RLVs. The FAA
regards a suborbital trajectory as the intentional flight path, or any
portion of that flight path, of a launch vehicle or reentry vehicle,
whose vacuum instantaneous impact point (IIP) does not leave the
surface of the earth. The IIP of a launch vehicle is the projected
impact point on Earth where the vehicle would land if its engines stop
or where vehicle debris, in the event of failure and break-up, would
land. The notion of a ``vacuum'' IIP reflects the absence of
atmospheric effects in performing the IIP calculation. If the vacuum
IIP never leaves the Earth's surface, the vehicle would not achieve
Earth orbit and would therefore be on a suborbital trajectory.
So there does not seem to be a single upper altitude that would mark the
limit of a suborbital flight.
> If someone launched a
> private space craft too high and say, damaged a commercial or
> military satellite, would the launchers be legally liable?
I would guess this would be a wonderful test of our legal system, but yes, I
expect they would be liable. They would probably also be liable to the FAA
for exceeding the terms of their license.
> If someone were testing an experimental craft and it greatly exceeded
> expectations, would this success be penalized?
The X-Prize contenders would have to exceed their expectations greatly, they
shouldn't be near anything in harms way, unless some odd piece of space junk
picks that hole inthe sky to fall through. Even the lowest Shuttle orbits
are 100+ miles up.
WJaKe
BTW, while looking up some info on satellite orbits, I found
http://science.nasa.gov/RealTime/JTrack/3D/JTrack3D.html
the 3D satellite tracker, and was able to pick out my two favorite
satellites, "Rock" and "Roll" the birds that supply my XM Satellite Radio! I
found several DBS sats, but I'm not sure which one I'm currently pointed at
for DirecTV. I guess they didn't give them catchy names...
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Article 23568
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:46:24 -0400
Subject: Re: FAA gives Rutan the OK?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 4/11/04 2:45 PM, in article 407991d5.422302128@NEWS.SFF.NET, "Deb Houdek
Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote:
>
> Perhaps the question is, what is the FAA's limit on their control of
> altitude? What's our territorial limit in an 'up' direction?
I'll try to respond to several notes in an integrated fashion:
It's important to remember that the FAA is not entirely monolithic on this
score. The division that's chartered with regulating commercial spaceflight
(the Office of Commercial Space Transportation, which is generally known as
AST) is not the same as the folks who certify airplanes. AFAIK, the *first*
flight of SpaceShipOne, and all flight's of XCOR's EZ-Rocket (a
rocket-powered Long-EZ kitplane), were regulated by the latter group under
their experimental aircraft rules, but any X Prize flights will be
controlled by AST, using definitions and rules recently finalized in
response to a congressional mandate.
I *believe* (subject to the usual disclaimer about not playing a lawyer on
TV) the "airplane" FAA's jurisdiction runs out at 100 kft, but the space
launch folks have jurisdiction extending all the way to orbit (outside Earth
orbit, I couldn't say).
I know when sport rocketeers get a waiver of FAA control, it's for up to a
specified altitude... but this has to do with the airplane folks' rules for
their airspace; it's not part of the commercial space launch regulatory
regime. The new procedure for licensing manned suborbital launchers is
different, and I honestly don't know whether those licenses specify an
altitude.
It's impossible for me to believe, however, that a smart guy like Rutan
would have even bothered to apply for a license that didn't extend not only
*to* the X Prize goal altitude, but beyond it by a sufficient margin to
account for reasonable overshoot. My guess is that the X Prize press release
was referring to the *goal* altitude, not the license limit, and that they
considered "about 60 miles" and "62.5 miles" to be functionally equivalent
terms for a lay audience.
-JovBill
PS: Happy Easter, y'all!
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Article 23569
From: Charles Graft
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:52:36 -0500
Subject: Re: FAA gives Rutan the OK?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ed:
All aircraft flying above 18,000 feet in or rover the U.S. are
required to be on an IFR (Instrument Flight Plan). This is called
positive control airspace. Experimental aircraft are not normally
allowed to fly IFR until the design is proven; i. e. specifically
cleared by the FAA.
As to the 62 miles -- 100 km converted into miles is
62.3052959501557632398753894080997 miles (more or less).
--
<<Big Charlie>>
"Seen on the door to a light-wave lab: 'Do not look into laser with
remaining good eye.'"
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Article 23570
From: Charles Graft
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 11:58:42 -0500
Subject: Re: Pons and Flieschmann Get the Last Laugh?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Whatever happened to high temperature superconductors?
--
<<Big Charlie>>
"Seen on the door to a light-wave lab: 'Do not look into laser with
remaining good eye.'"
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Article 23571
From: Filksinger"
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:13:17 -0700
Subject: Re: Pons and Flieschmann Get the Last Laugh?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
High temperature superconductors can be very finicky, to the point of near
uselessness for many applications. There are a number of promising
materials, but all have various difficulties. Virtually all materials yet
tried have one or more of the problems below, or other, similar problems:
Materials are rigid and frangible, and thus difficult to form into wires or
to flex them without destroying them.
Tendency to fail under magnetic fields. Thus, if you put too much power in
them, their own field will shut off superconductivity. This makes them
unusable in high-power electromagnets.
Tendency to only be superconductive in a particular direction. Thus, the
material might be superconductive going right-left, but not up-down. This is
combined with a tendency to form domains, each domain having a _different_
direction of superconductivity. These rarely link up in any sort of usable
fashion.
Material only forms very short tube structures, and thus requires many such
threads to form a usable conduit. Unfortunately the material isn't
superconductive at the _joints_, so superconductivity is essentially
unusable (and so far, not quite proven).
The higher the temperature, the more problems. Reports of room temperature
superconductivity are still unreproducable and only over small, individual
domains.
Materials are very difficult to produce to lengths or in quantities that are
useful, such as Yttrium-doped buckytubes.
For some interesting recent developments:
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/7/4/5
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/carbon-01h.html
http://www.knowledgeproblem.com/archives/000683.html
Charles Graft wrote:
> Whatever happened to high temperature superconductors?
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Article 23572
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:53:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Pons and Flieschmann Get the Last Laugh?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
(Please read Filksinger's explanations below, for problems with room
temp superconductor). The ITER coils are wound with a "four degree
kelvin" superconductor; 4 and a half degrees will be maintained with
pressure-fed liquid helium. I think that the scientific community
is calling the ITER a 'proof of concept' power generator.
The team that develops a true room temperature superconductor can
write their own ticket, it seems to me. Some reading:
http://www.apam.columbia.edu/fusion/Presentations_Papers/Andrews_Presentation.pdf
http://www-fusion-magnetique.cea.fr/gb/actualites/01-0709-tfmc.htm
Ed J
On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:13:17 -0700, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>High temperature superconductors can be very finicky, to the point of near
>uselessness for many applications. There are a number of promising
>materials, but all have various difficulties. Virtually all materials yet
>tried have one or more of the problems below, or other, similar problems:
>
>Materials are rigid and frangible, and thus difficult to form into wires or
>to flex them without destroying them.
>
>Tendency to fail under magnetic fields. Thus, if you put too much power in
>them, their own field will shut off superconductivity. This makes them
>unusable in high-power electromagnets.
>
>Tendency to only be superconductive in a particular direction. Thus, the
>material might be superconductive going right-left, but not up-down. This is
>combined with a tendency to form domains, each domain having a _different_
>direction of superconductivity. These rarely link up in any sort of usable
>fashion.
>
>Material only forms very short tube structures, and thus requires many such
>threads to form a usable conduit. Unfortunately the material isn't
>superconductive at the _joints_, so superconductivity is essentially
>unusable (and so far, not quite proven).
>
>The higher the temperature, the more problems. Reports of room temperature
>superconductivity are still unreproducable and only over small, individual
>domains.
>
>Materials are very difficult to produce to lengths or in quantities that are
>useful, such as Yttrium-doped buckytubes.
>
>For some interesting recent developments:
>
>http://physicsweb.org/article/news/7/4/5
>
>http://www.spacedaily.com/news/carbon-01h.html
>
>http://www.knowledgeproblem.com/archives/000683.html
>
>Charles Graft wrote:
>> Whatever happened to high temperature superconductors?
>
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Article 23573
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:02:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Hugo and Retro Hugo Nominees
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jake: Did I miss the name "Heinlein" in the list you posted?
Ed J
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 17:24:05 -0400, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Shamelessly lifted from sff.cons.worldcon:
>
>
>April 9, 2004
>
>Noreascon Four
>The 62nd World Science Fiction Convention
>P.O. Box 1010
>Framingham, MA 01701
>info@noreascon.org
>http://www.noreascon.org
>
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Article 23574
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 01:55:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Hugo and Retro Hugo Nominees
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote in message
news:30mm70dp154leaot1ml63tghlv5bnq7qao@4ax.com...
> Jake: Did I miss the name "Heinlein" in the list you posted?
The name "Heinlein" is noticably absent.
WJaKe
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Article 23575
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 14 Apr 2004 16:45:41 GMT
Subject: Re: Hugo and Retro Hugo Nominees
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Apparently vote totals for these things are released after the Awards are
given so as not to influence final balloting. I'll be very curious to see
those.
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Article 23576
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 14 Apr 2004 16:47:04 GMT
Subject: CIA says "Howdy!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Totally OT, but I'm too tickled to resist mentioning it, as it is not every
day you check the morning email and there is a "Howdy" from the CIA in there.
Got an email this morning from a fellow writing a book for online publication
at the CIA's website on espionage in the Civil War. He's asking for permission
to use/cite our work at www.civilwarstlouis.com, where one of our specialties
is the Confederate secret service in the West. Apparently CIA already did
a similar thing with the Revolution here: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/warindep/frames.html
Of course we said yes. Gee, I hope this doesn't make us a target for Al
Qaeda. Of course if they'd turn us loose on their data we'd probably find
Osama for them.
Best. Geo
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Article 23577
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 20:28:51 -0400
Subject: Re: CIA says "Howdy!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Geo:
Cool!
Ed J
On 14 Apr 2004 16:47:04 GMT, georule@civilwarstlouis.com wrote:
>Totally OT, but I'm too tickled to resist mentioning it, as it is not every
>day you check the morning email and there is a "Howdy" from the CIA in there.
>
>Got an email this morning from a fellow writing a book for online publication
>at the CIA's website on espionage in the Civil War. He's asking for permission
>to use/cite our work at www.civilwarstlouis.com, where one of our specialties
>is the Confederate secret service in the West. Apparently CIA already did
>a similar thing with the Revolution here: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/warindep/frames.html
>
>Of course we said yes. Gee, I hope this doesn't make us a target for Al
>Qaeda. Of course if they'd turn us loose on their data we'd probably find
>Osama for them.
>
>Best. Geo
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Article 23578
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:09:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Hugo and Retro Hugo Nominees
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Yep. I always check the nominating ballot numbers when they come out in
Locus, the voting totals are available at the Con, I think they had them
right after the Hugo Awards Ceremony in Toronto last year.
WJaKe
<georule@civilwarstlouis.com> wrote in message
news:407d6ab5.0@news.sff.net...
> Apparently vote totals for these things are released after the Awards are
> given so as not to influence final balloting. I'll be very curious to see
> those.
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