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Article 23477
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 27 Feb 2004 06:25:33 GMT
Subject: A Heinlein Concordance
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

It is with a great deal of pleasure that I invite you to visit our latest
web update at www.heinleinsociety.org  Our heart-felt thanks to M. E. Cowan
for providing us with it.

Since every Heinleiner in World RAHdom is a pearl beyond price to The
Heinlein Society, even if they haven't yet taken the formal step of joining
the Society, we offer the following public health guidelines while you attempt
to grok to fullness:

1). Please remember to blink at least every 10 minutes.
2). Get up and stretch every 1/2 hour.
3). Bathroom breaks are very important.
4). Hallucinations typically set in by the third day without sleep.

Knock yourself out people: http://www.heinleinsociety.org/concordance/

If you find any technical errors (dead links or such), they can be laid
at our door (rather than M. E. Cowan), and feel free to drop me a line about
it. I don't know if M.E. Cowan visits this place much, or at all, but I
will make a point of passing on your comments on her work.

Geo Rule
The Heinlein Society
www.heinleinsociety.org

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Article 23478
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 23:24:22 -0500
Subject: Re: A Heinlein Concordance
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Geo:
   What a wealth of information!  Many thanks to you and Ms. Cowan.

Ed J

   
On 27 Feb 2004 06:25:33 GMT, georule@civilwarstlouis.com wrote:

>It is with a great deal of pleasure that I invite you to visit our latest
>web update at www.heinleinsociety.org  Our heart-felt thanks to M. E. Cowan
>for providing us with it.
>
>Since every Heinleiner in World RAHdom is a pearl beyond price to The
>Heinlein Society, even if they haven't yet taken the formal step of joining
>the Society, we offer the following public health guidelines while you attempt
>to grok to fullness:
>
>1). Please remember to blink at least every 10 minutes.
>2). Get up and stretch every 1/2 hour.
>3). Bathroom breaks are very important.
>4). Hallucinations typically set in by the third day without sleep.
>
>Knock yourself out people: http://www.heinleinsociety.org/concordance/
>
>If you find any technical errors (dead links or such), they can be laid
>at our door (rather than M. E. Cowan), and feel free to drop me a line about
>it. I don't know if M.E. Cowan visits this place much, or at all, but I
>will make a point of passing on your comments on her work.
>
>Geo Rule
>The Heinlein Society
>www.heinleinsociety.org


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Article 23479
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 1 Mar 2004 05:28:59 GMT
Subject: Re: A Heinlein Concordance
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Ain't it purty? 

  We have some other goodies in the pipeline too. . . 

Best. Geo

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Article 23480
From: RPostelnek" 
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:57:54 -0600
Subject: Re: A Heinlein Concordance
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Geo,
 It's Great!!!!!

Where is everybody???

Rosie

<georule@civilwarstlouis.com> wrote in message
news:4042ca1b.0@news.sff.net...
> Ain't it purty?
>
>   We have some other goodies in the pipeline too. . .
>
> Best. Geo



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Article 23481
From: JT 
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:08:53 -0500
Subject: Re: Where is Everybody?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:57:54 -0600, "RPostelnek"
<rpostelnek@prodigy.net> wrote:

>Where is everybody???
>

Hi Rosie!  I'm here, I check every day. 

 I just don't have much to say, usually.  You guys don't want to hear
random observations from my life and if I wanted to write them down,
I'd have a blog. ;)

I am reading Varley's _Red Thunder_ now, which was loaned to me by
WJaKe.  It's a pretty good read.

WJaKe & I got together last weekend and went to see the new
(Udvar-Hazy? Not 100% on the spelling, but too lazy to look it up)
Center of the Air & Space Museum on the grounds of Dulles airport.  It
is pretty amazing.  I walked in and said, is this it?  But, it took a
loong time to walk around, even for someone who's not that huge into
airplanes.  But seeing the Enterprise, even from a distance, THAT was
cool. :)  It really is an amazing building, I think it was planned
pretty well for expansion--the appearances of the building are
deceiving because the scale is so large.

We'll have to go at the next D.C.-area Gathering. <VBG>

JT





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Article 23482
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 21:46:16 -0500
Subject: Re: Where is Everybody?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

JT:   Did you say Gathering? <G>.   Where, When?  D.C. area works
for me.  Do we have to wait for warm weather?  Why not pick a
convenient 3 day weekend (??) or whenever.
Hopefully, you've started something. (I may <G> but I won't <D&R>)

Ed J



On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:08:53 -0500, JT <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote:
  <snip>
>
>WJaKe & I got together last weekend and went to see the new
>(Udvar-Hazy? Not 100% on the spelling, but too lazy to look it up)
>Center of the Air & Space Museum on the grounds of Dulles airport.  It
>is pretty amazing.  I walked in and said, is this it?  But, it took a
>loong time to walk around, even for someone who's not that huge into
>airplanes.  But seeing the Enterprise, even from a distance, THAT was
>cool. :)  It really is an amazing building, I think it was planned
>pretty well for expansion--the appearances of the building are
>deceiving because the scale is so large.
>
>We'll have to go at the next D.C.-area Gathering. <VBG>
>
>JT
>
>
>


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Article 23483
From: JT 
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 22:02:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Where is Everybody?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 21:46:16 -0500, Ed Johnson
<eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote:
>JT:   Did you say Gathering? <G>.   Where, When?  D.C. area works
>for me.  Do we have to wait for warm weather?  Why not pick a
>convenient 3 day weekend (??) or whenever.
>Hopefully, you've started something. (I may <G> but I won't <D&R>)
>
The problem we run into is that to give it a chance to make a "real"
Gathering we have to have at least a couple of people who will travel
out of their home area (in my opinion).  Greg has talked about having
people back to Indy, but I know we can't do that until next year and
I've been honest about it.  We have some things going on this year
that mean we can't travel that far away for anything as a family.

If you want to pick a weekend to come down, though, we could at least
get together that way and see if any D.C. area people want to meet up.
For example, if you want to come to Balticon Memorial Day weekend you
can see WJaKe and I for sure while helping out the Heinlein Society.
;)
BTW,  I've also got a couple of new cobbers that are a part of THS
that are going to help at the con, with the slight chance of even more
helping.  

JT



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Article 23484
From: JT 
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 22:07:38 -0500
Subject: Re: John Varley/Red Thunder
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Thanks for loaning me the book, WJaKe.  It was a good read, kept me up
late last night to finish it.  It was definitely an homage to RAH.
Not a complicated read but well-constructed.  A nice basis in science
and common-sense engineering.   If anyone else hasn't gotten to it
yet, it's worth your time.

JT the book-mooch


On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 01:12:35 -0400, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:

>Russel Letson has an interesting review in the June issue of Locus. The book
>under review is "Red Thunder" by John Varley. "John Varley seems to have a
>Thing for Heinlein." begins the review, which continues on with a plot
>outline for his latest book. Basically, high-school kids build a rocket to
>reach Mars first. Seems I've seen that plot somewhere before. Our hero is
>Manny Garcia. Seems I've heard that name before. Another character is named
>Jubal. The parallels go on.
>
>What are we to make of John Varley? What is there to his "thing" with
>Heinlein? Has he crossed the line between homage and theft? Or is it just
>that he hasn't quite obscured the serial number on this story?
>
>I have never met the man, but they more I read of him and by him, the more I
>hope we cross paths in Toronto.
>
>Any thoughts folks? I haven't yet read the book, it should be arriving
>shortly!
>
>WJaKe
>


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Article 23485
From: David M. Silver" 
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 04:46:16 -0800
Subject: Heinlein Society Retrospective Hugo Nominations for 1953
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I emailed this early AM the following to Heinlein Society members. 
Perhaps you're not yet a member; but as a Heinlein reader you may be 
interested in the information contained in it. 

March 4, 2004

Re: Heinlein Society Retrospective Hugo Nominations for 1953


Good morning,

This e-mail is being sent to all Heinlein Society members because an 
imminent deadline will probably pass before important information can be 
conveyed with certainty to all of us in our next postal mail Newsletter.

Did you attend last year's SF World Con in Toronto, or, are you possibly 
thinking of or planning to attend this year's in Boston?

If so, then you need to know, if you don't already, that two of Robert 
Heinlein's novels are eligible for an important honor he may deserve. In 
1954, while there had been previous Hugo Awards for best SF writing 
conferred, there were no Hugo Awards made. It hadn't yet become an 
annual institution.

There's a fifty-years-after award known as the Retrospective Hugo. In 
2001, Mr. Heinlein's works received three of them for works published in 
1950, another early year when the Hugo Awards were skipped. This year¹s 
Worldcon, Noreascon Four, will be awarding Retrospective Hugos for works 
first published in 1953. This is not a call for block voting, or 
anything like it; but, as one of Robert¹s most important works is 
eligible to be nominated, I am writing you today to alert you to this 
issue and to let you make your own decision.

³If This Goes On‹³  first appeared in Feb-Mar, 1940, serialized in 
Astounding at 33,800 words, a novella-length work. It featured the tale 
of Legate John Lyle, the overthrow of the Theocracy of the Prophets 
Incarnate, and the resumption of constitutional democracy in the United 
States. It has been widely acclaimed as a keystone of Robert¹s Future 
History. You probably have it in your basic Heinlein library. However, 
the history of ³If This Goes On‹³ did not end in 1940, or you would not 
have received this email from me. In 1953, Robert substantially rewrote 
all of ³If This Goes On‹³, expanding the size to 57,300 words, fleshing 
out characters and situations merely sketched in the earlier version, 
and *substantially* changing thematic and plot points. He then packaged 
it with ³Misfit² and ³Coventry² and published them in a book by Shasta 
Press called Revolt in 2100.  ³If This Goes On‹³, now at novel length 
itself, has been read by millions of fans. More than 95% of all current 
fans of the Future History are in fact fans of the 1953 version of ³If 
This Goes On‹³ having never read the abbreviated version that appeared 
in Astounding in 1940, and not even knowing how different the two 
versions are.

Substantially revised works in the past been eligible for the Hugo on 
the year when they were published in revised form. We wrote early this 
year to the Hugo committee about the publishing history and eligibility 
of ³If This Goes On‹³ for the Retro Hugo novel ballot this year. They 
tell us, understandably in their view, that they can only deal with this 
question after a situation arises. If ³If This Goes On‹³ gets enough 
votes as part of the nominating process to make the final ballot, the 
Hugo committee will then decide its eligibility -- and we think it is 
eligible. So do others who have considered the point.

All members of last year¹s Worldcon (Torcon 3) and all members of this 
year¹s Worldcon (Noreascon Four), are eligible to cast their votes for 
Hugo and Retro Hugo nominations. You can do so until March 25 at their 
website at http://www.noreascon.org/hugos/ which also describes the 
process in further detail. That's only for the next THREE weeks.

We face an uphill fight here, because many eligible nominating voters 
will not realize that they could even be considering the issue of 
whether Robert¹s classic story is eligible for this year¹s Retro Hugo, 
let alone how it stacks up against the competition.

There are a great many good works published in 1953. I think "If This 
Goes On--" is easily among the five best novels; and I think it should 
be considered; but I leave it up to you to decide whether to add your 
vote for it to the nominating process. It will finally be up to the 
majority of eligible voters to decide, if nominated, whether it deserves 
the best novel award. [Please also see the postscript just above my 
signature.]

We'll be hosting the second annual Heinlein Awards dinner at Noreascon 
Four; the annual memorial Heinlein Blood drive; plan to have our annual 
membership meeting, a suite and receptions, and will propose to 
Noreascon Four programming some Heinlein panels. Now might be a good 
time to decide to attend, by yourself, or with friends and family. 
Boston, Massachusetts is quite beautiful in late summer; and we'll try 
to show you what Jerry Farnsworth called a "hellish good time."

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

Very truly yours,

[P.S. Lastly, ³If This Goes On‹³ is not the only one of Robert¹s works 
to be eligible for consideration for Retrospective Hugos this year. 
Starman Jones, Robert¹s classic juvenile of a hill-country farm boy who 
becomes a starship astrogator under extremely difficult circumstances, 
was also first printed in 1953. It's not a choice of either/or, because 
under Hugo voting procedures, the cumulative tallying system doesn't 
penalize an author for two works nominated in one category.  Amongst his 
short stories, the chilling ³Project Nightmare² and the rescue adventure 
³Skylift² (both are reprinted in The Menace From Earth) also first 
appeared in 1953. Among dramatic presentations, Project Moonbase was 
first shown in 1953.]



David M. Silver
President and Chairman of the Board
The Heinlein Society
www.heinleinsociety.org
PO Box 1254
Venice, California 90294-1254
   "The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
   --Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29 (1907-88)
      Lt. (jg) USN, Ret'd

-- 
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88

-- 
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88

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Article 23486
From: Lorrita Morgan" 
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:32:53 -0800
Subject: Re: Where is Everybody?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I check/read/lurk about every other day.  Sometimes I even make snappy
comebacks or well reasoned replies (IMNSHO) to the screen, but time and
health constaints prevent real involvement.

I'm doing the Snowqualmie shuffle every couple weeks/months for those Puget
Sound area cobbers who might want to meet this decrepit Grandma.  Seattle VA
Medical Center doesn't have me on too short a leash.  (Rob?  bytor?  anyone
else?)

=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

`rita
=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=



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Article 23487
From: Charles Graft 
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:51:09 -0500
Subject: Re: Where is Everybody?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

> On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:57:54 -0600, "RPostelnek"
> <rpostelnek@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> Where is everybody???
>

Hi, Rosie--
     I still check in regularly, but it's not like the old days.   The
last several topics I have opened have not gone much of anywhere.
Patricia and I just got back from over a week's vacation in the Bahamas
with a day or so of my not checking in before and after the trip, and
there were 11 messages.  A few years ago, I would have that many come in
while reading a day's post.

     As to a DC gathering; I (we) am (are) probably interested.  I could
easily take several days in May previous to Memorial Day.   (I would have
to be back at work on the night of the 29th)   The cabin in Elkton is
still in the family and available.  I would probably be able to take a
weekend in any week not containing a holiday and mid August, including
labor day weekend, on is wide open.  (Annual leave rules are a bit complex
(read: weird) at the USPS.

     My pleasant thought of the day.  By the next presidential election, I
will be retired.

--
<<Big Charlie>>

"Seen on the door to a light-wave lab: 'Do not look into laser with
remaining good eye.'"



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Article 23488
From: David M. Silver" 
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:51:26 -0800
Subject: Re: Where is Everybody?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

In article <40475a44.0@news.sff.net>,
 "Lorrita Morgan" <lorrita_m@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I check/read/lurk about every other day.  Sometimes I even make snappy
> comebacks or well reasoned replies (IMNSHO) to the screen, but time and
> health constaints prevent real involvement.
> 
> I'm doing the Snowqualmie shuffle every couple weeks/months for those Puget
> Sound area cobbers who might want to meet this decrepit Grandma.  Seattle VA
> Medical Center doesn't have me on too short a leash.  (Rob?  bytor?  anyone
> else?)
> 
> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 
> `rita
> =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 
> 

FWIW, I'll be up to the SEATAC Doubletree over Easter Weekend (April 
8-11, I think) during Norwescon. Probably work out some time to play the 
moon landing interview "tape" if there's the right hook up on the suite 
TV Friday night. We'll be having at least one good Heinlein panel, fan 
table, reception in the suite Saturday night. Don't need to be a member 
of the Con to come up to my suite for anything I have there, although 
you may wish to. 

Love to see you, 'rita, if you (Rob? bytor? anyone else?) can make it.

David

-- 
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88

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Article 23489
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 08:19:57 GMT
Subject: Re: Where is Everybody?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


>airplanes.  But seeing the Enterprise, even from a distance, THAT was
>cool. :) 
  
  Nifty. The only time I was to NASA in Florida the Enterprise was on
the launch tower (not launching, obviously). Be nice to see it up
close. 


Deb Houdek Rule
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
http://www.heinleinprize.com

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Article 23490
From: JT 
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 21:15:51 -0500
Subject: Re: New Story Out
Newsgroups: sff.people.robert-slater
            sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I think he meant go "here": 
http://www.continuumsciencefiction.com/orders.htm

I did.  Congratulations, Rob, looking forward to it!

JT

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:47:25 -0500, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:

>
>"Robert Slater" <rslater215@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:40481f16.0@news.sff.net...
>> Hey folks,
>> My short story "Outward Bound" will appear in the premier issue of
>Continuum
>> SF.  Go Here to order.
>> Rob
>>
>>
>
>Where?
>
><g>
>
>WJaKe
>


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