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Article 22658
From: djinn 
Date: 31 Jul 2003 04:31:10 GMT
Subject: Re: This was just too funny!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

"William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in 
news:3f275ca4.0@news.sff.net:

> 
> "djinn" <qinjingyou@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> The Infinite Improbability Generator, while less reliable and much less
>> stable than the Mannschenn Drive, does offer highly improbable
>> displacements without the problem of the occasional operator inversion.
> 
> Ok, now you've gone too far! I've actually _heard_ of the IIG!!
> 
>  No stealing!
> 
The Mannschenn Drive was the FTL propulsion in the ships normally commanded 
by Commodore Grimes of the Rimworlds Naval Reserve. One of its unfortunate 
side-effects is that sometimes the ship returned to a different universe 
than the one it started out in. It could also turn a careless engineer 
inside out. It was however, faster than the older Gaussjammers. 






-- 
With a silk umbrella  and the handle of a broom;
Boomlay, boomlay, boomlay BOOM!
                               recited by Scar Gordon. 


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Article 22659
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:43:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


>I still lurk occasionally.  I am trying to do it more often.  good to hear
>from everyone .

  Gosh, Rosie, good to hear from you! 

  Too many of us just lurking and not posting enough (self inc.)


Deb  (D.A. Houdek) 
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com

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Article 22660
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 07:43:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


  Hey, Audrey--Joe Yoder wanted me to ask you if you remember his son,
Zack Yoder. I work with Joe and your name came up the other night. I
told him about Laura getting into college as a heartening example (his
son's in first grade).


Deb  (D.A. Houdek) 
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com

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Article 22661
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 21:39:08 GMT
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:59:22 -0700, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:

{snip}
>So, there it is. I dare you all to find one study that says alcohol is good
>for you, or, barring that, that it isn't bad for you.:)

OK, I don't remember anything on this having been posted before, but
I'll take a shot at it.

Also, I'm speaking from personal exp, as a drinker, bartender, and
with some knowledge of various studies done over the years.( none of
which are remembered enough to tell where they came from) So basically
this is all MNSHO.

To the meat<g> of the question, all alcohol is bad for you, it is a
bio-poison that you may be able to tolerate in different levels, & I
belive that some small quantities do not do lasting damage. I don't
know what those small quantities are, but I do remember reading that
if you feel different, then you've killed brain cells. (this from a
study showing that Pot is better than alcohol) 

For the various studies, the most that I've ever heard said, is that
some show (the one about red wine springs to mind) that there may be
other health benefits that outweigh the bad effects or that the
quantities are so small (of the alcohol) that there aren't any.

My two cents worth, (which may be nothing given inflation<g>)

Going for a drink now
Fader

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Article 22662
From: Eli Hestermann 
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:42:57 -0400
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Filksinger wrote:

>I'll bet not one person can find a study that shows that alcohol is good for
>you. I may reject a number of studies as you find them, but I won't explain
>why yet. I want to see if anyone can actually find a study that meets the
>criteria I have given, or if everyone, uh, makes the same error.
>
>So, there it is. I dare you all to find one study that says alcohol is good
>for you, or, barring that, that it isn't bad for you.:)
>  
>
What Fader said. It's not the alcohol providing benefits in most (all?) 
of those studies; it's the other compounds present in the alcoholic 
beverages. I assume this is the "error" you were talking about.

OTOH, I think (but can't provide a cite right now) that some studies 
have not defined *which* compound in a beverage provides the benefit, or 
have not looked at beneficial compounds in the absence of alcohol, so I 
wouldn't rule it out, either. For example, if alcohol aided in the 
uptake of some other beneficial compound (e.g. polyphenols in red wine), 
I would count that as "good for you".

-- 
Eli V. Hestermann
Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa."  -Seneca



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Article 22663
From: Mitch Wagner 
Date: 31 Jul 2003 20:42:12 GMT
Subject: Re: John Varley
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I read "Red Thunder," liked it just fine, thought it was definitely an 
hommage rather than a ripoff. But I think it would've been better 
still if the author hadn't been quite so blatant, as it was, I was 
constantly aware that I was reading a Heinlein hommage. 


-- 
Mitch Wagner * weblog http://blog.mitchwagner.com/ * Asked by agents 
if he had anything else to tell them, Cusack responded: "Yes, I've got 
monkeys in my pants." -- CNN.com, Dec. 19, 2002

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Article 22664
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:05:31 -0400
Subject: Re: John Varley
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Mitch:    If you want to read a novel that does not pay homage to
Heinlein I have a good one for you <g>.  Re-read Starship Troopers
then read Harry Harrison's "Bill the Galactic Hero".     If you
don't hurt yourself laughing you might just be offended by this
parody.  I loved it (when I first read it many years ago.)

Ed J

On 31 Jul 2003 20:42:12 GMT, Mitch Wagner <mitch@mitchwagner.com>
wrote:

>I read "Red Thunder," liked it just fine, thought it was definitely an 
>hommage rather than a ripoff. But I think it would've been better 
>still if the author hadn't been quite so blatant, as it was, I was 
>constantly aware that I was reading a Heinlein hommage. 


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Article 22665
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:45:24 -0700
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Did Fader say that? I must have missed it.

But, yes, that was about it. I said that alcohol was bad for you, even in
small quantities, and a number of people presented studies that showed that
_wine_ was good for you in small quantities. Instead of looking closer, I
conceeded the point. It just hit me suddenly the other day, as I was writing
to the list, that saying wine is good for you is not the same as saying that
alcohol is good for you.

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined

Eli Hestermann wrote:
> Filksinger wrote:
>
>> I'll bet not one person can find a study that shows that alcohol is
>> good for you. I may reject a number of studies as you find them, but
>> I won't explain why yet. I want to see if anyone can actually find a
>> study that meets the criteria I have given, or if everyone, uh,
>> makes the same error.
>>
>> So, there it is. I dare you all to find one study that says alcohol
>> is good for you, or, barring that, that it isn't bad for you.:)
>>
>>
> What Fader said. It's not the alcohol providing benefits in most
> (all?)
> of those studies; it's the other compounds present in the alcoholic
> beverages. I assume this is the "error" you were talking about.
>
> OTOH, I think (but can't provide a cite right now) that some studies
> have not defined *which* compound in a beverage provides the benefit,
> or have not looked at beneficial compounds in the absence of alcohol,
> so I wouldn't rule it out, either. For example, if alcohol aided in
> the
> uptake of some other beneficial compound (e.g. polyphenols in red
> wine),
> I would count that as "good for you".



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Article 22666
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 14:47:21 -0700
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

That was it. My other post, a couple of minutes ago, was before I noticed
yours.

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined

Fader wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 20:59:22 -0700, "Filksinger"
> <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>
> {snip}
>> So, there it is. I dare you all to find one study that says alcohol
>> is good for you, or, barring that, that it isn't bad for you.:)
>
> OK, I don't remember anything on this having been posted before, but
> I'll take a shot at it.
>
> Also, I'm speaking from personal exp, as a drinker, bartender, and
> with some knowledge of various studies done over the years.( none of
> which are remembered enough to tell where they came from) So basically
> this is all MNSHO.
>
> To the meat<g> of the question, all alcohol is bad for you, it is a
> bio-poison that you may be able to tolerate in different levels, & I
> belive that some small quantities do not do lasting damage. I don't
> know what those small quantities are, but I do remember reading that
> if you feel different, then you've killed brain cells. (this from a
> study showing that Pot is better than alcohol)
>
> For the various studies, the most that I've ever heard said, is that
> some show (the one about red wine springs to mind) that there may be
> other health benefits that outweigh the bad effects or that the
> quantities are so small (of the alcohol) that there aren't any.
>
> My two cents worth, (which may be nothing given inflation<g>)
>
> Going for a drink now
> Fader



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Article 22667
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 21:58:18 GMT
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


>all alcohol is bad for you, it is a
>bio-poison that you may be able to tolerate in different levels

  Being a bio-poison, does alcohol have the ability to kill things in
the body--like some bacteria or viruses? If that's the case, it might
be argued that some alcohol in the bloodstream does some good in
certain instances, killing a bacteria with minimal damage to the host.


Deb  (D.A. Houdek) 
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com

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Article 22668
From: Eli Hestermann 
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:41:39 -0400
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

If you had enough alcohol in your blood to kill microorganisms, you'd
already be dead.

Alcohol is poisonous to certain parts of your body (mostly brain and
liver) at pretty low concentrations. It also increases the toxicity of
other compounds, such as acetominophin (Tylenol). Interestingly, for this
last one, the order in which you take the compounds matters. So if you
drink and then take Tylenol for your hangover, it's bad, but if you take
Tylenol for your headache, and then drink later, you're OK. Incidentally,
caffeine can have similar effects in combination with acetominophin.

Deb Houdek Rule wrote:

> >all alcohol is bad for you, it is a
> >bio-poison that you may be able to tolerate in different levels
>
>   Being a bio-poison, does alcohol have the ability to kill things in
> the body--like some bacteria or viruses? If that's the case, it might
> be argued that some alcohol in the bloodstream does some good in
> certain instances, killing a bacteria with minimal damage to the host.
>
> Deb  (D.A. Houdek)
> http://www.dahoudek.com
> http://www.robertaheinlein.com
> http://www.civilwarstlouis.com


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Article 22669
From: Audrey Gifford 
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 17:39:52 -0700
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Of course I remember him. He thought everything was green. I am sure he 
has goten past that by now. I hope he is doing well - We have several 
kids now who are doing at least as well as Laura did at their ages, so 
there is always hope.

How are you doing - I have about 6 clients in your neighborhood so I 
think of you all the time as I drive by.

Take care,

Audrey



Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
>   Hey, Audrey--Joe Yoder wanted me to ask you if you remember his son,
> Zack Yoder. I work with Joe and your name came up the other night. I
> told him about Laura getting into college as a heartening example (his
> son's in first grade).
> 
> 
> Deb  (D.A. Houdek) 
> http://www.dahoudek.com
> http://www.robertaheinlein.com
> http://www.civilwarstlouis.com


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Article 22670
From: gunner" 
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:43:06 -0400
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

"Incidentally, caffeine can have similar effects in combination with
acetominophin."
--------------------------------
interesting... i've been using "excedrin migraine" to control migraines for
several years now and that's an aspirin, acetominophen, caffeine compound.
250, 250, 65mg respectively i believe. no ill effects so far. i don't
however, mix any med with alcohol, whether otc or rx.
"gunner"

"Eli Hestermann" <ehestermann@tmlp.com> wrote in message
news:3F2B08C3.3517240B@tmlp.com...
> If you had enough alcohol in your blood to kill microorganisms, you'd
> already be dead.
>
> Alcohol is poisonous to certain parts of your body (mostly brain and
> liver) at pretty low concentrations. It also increases the toxicity of
> other compounds, such as acetominophin (Tylenol). Interestingly, for this
> last one, the order in which you take the compounds matters. So if you
> drink and then take Tylenol for your hangover, it's bad, but if you take
> Tylenol for your headache, and then drink later, you're OK. Incidentally,
> caffeine can have similar effects in combination with acetominophin.
>
> Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
>
> > >all alcohol is bad for you, it is a
> > >bio-poison that you may be able to tolerate in different levels
> >
> >   Being a bio-poison, does alcohol have the ability to kill things in
> > the body--like some bacteria or viruses? If that's the case, it might
> > be argued that some alcohol in the bloodstream does some good in
> > certain instances, killing a bacteria with minimal damage to the host.
> >
> > Deb  (D.A. Houdek)
> > http://www.dahoudek.com
> > http://www.robertaheinlein.com
> > http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
>
>



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Article 22671
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 19:19:11 GMT
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:43:06 -0400, "gunner" <gunnera4@sover.net>
wrote:

>"Incidentally, caffeine can have similar effects in combination with
>acetominophin."
>--------------------------------
>interesting... i've been using "excedrin migraine" to control migraines for
>several years now and that's an aspirin, acetominophen, caffeine compound.
>250, 250, 65mg respectively i believe. no ill effects so far. i don't
>however, mix any med with alcohol, whether otc or rx.

Alot (almost all) of otc "headache" medications have some amount of
caffeine in them, it is a vaso-dilator & helps with the effects of the
painkiller, through either pressure relief or uptake or both I'm not
sure.

Fader


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Article 22672
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:21:41 -0700
Subject: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Now for your commute, the Tango.

Two passengers. 0 to 60 in four seconds, top speed of 130 mph, 80 mile
range. Charges in three hours from your drier outlet (or 80% charge in 10
minutes from a 200 amp socket). So narrow it can legally drive two to a lane
or between stopped cars in California, but doesn't tip over, and can drive
the carpool lane in Washington state with only the driver. Uses ordinary
lead-acid batteries. Has a NASCAR regulation roll cage. Weighs as much as a
Camry.

My favorite part? Built by a small group of people who, unlike the big
automakers, didn't seem to need any of the 1 1/2 gigadollars of taxpayer
money that has been spent on this sort of thing in the last fifteen years or
so.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2003/0727/cover.html

http://www.commutercars.com/news/newspapers/011212ModestoBee.pdf

http://www.commutercars.com/news/internet/030131TerabyteTriangle.pdf

http://www.commutercars.com/news/magazines/030112PopularScience.pdf

http://www.commutercars.com
-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 22673
From: sbeck!@prodigy.net
Date: 4 Aug 2003 00:22:58 GMT
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Eli Hestrmann wrote:


I'm disappointed to hear that. Anecdotally, I once hadda go to a comedy
club (too late to back out) with definite symptoms of a cold or flu coming
on. Hypothetically thanks to the two-drink minimum, which led to two whiskey
sours and a beer (I rarely settle for "getting by with the minimum"), the
symptoms disappeared by the next morning.  My hypothesis was that a combination
of alcohol and vitamin C from the drinks had fought off the infection.

Of course, I realize this anecdotal data isn't really scientific evidence
of anything -- but ever since, when I feel a cold coming on, I try to get
a whiskey sour ASAP. :)  -- Steve

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Article 22674
From: sbeck1@prodigy.net
Date: 4 Aug 2003 00:25:11 GMT
Subject: Posted e-mail wrong there, if it matters (NT)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

("NT" means "No text" -- headline only)

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Article 22675
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:16:05 -0400
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Steve:
    I think that it is a great reason for a couple of drinks <g>.
I have often heard the older generations speak of having a little
alcohol "for medicinal reasons" :-)
   I knew an alcoholic in the Air Force years ago that drank a lot
of beer. (Starting two minutes after his alarm went off at 6:00 AM.
He would pop the top on a can of warm Bud before shaving & showering
each morning.)  He said that beer drinking was good for you.  `cause
it contained vitamins, minerals and trace elements.  sigh. . . 
 I don't think that this guy needed and excuse to drink.

Ed J

On 4 Aug 2003 00:22:58 GMT, sbeck!@prodigy.net wrote:

>Eli Hestrmann wrote:
>
>
>I'm disappointed to hear that. Anecdotally, I once hadda go to a comedy
>club (too late to back out) with definite symptoms of a cold or flu coming
>on. Hypothetically thanks to the two-drink minimum, which led to two whiskey
>sours and a beer (I rarely settle for "getting by with the minimum"), the
>symptoms disappeared by the next morning.  My hypothesis was that a combination
>of alcohol and vitamin C from the drinks had fought off the infection.
>
>Of course, I realize this anecdotal data isn't really scientific evidence
>of anything -- but ever since, when I feel a cold coming on, I try to get
>a whiskey sour ASAP. :)  -- Steve


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Article 22676
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 23:19:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Filksinger:   Reading those articles, it seems to me that he has
priced himself out of contention.    Assuming that mass production
can cut his price in half, it is still way too high for consumers to
pay for what little they are getting.  And I do mean "little".

Ed J

On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:21:41 -0700, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:

>Now for your commute, the Tango.
>
>Two passengers. 0 to 60 in four seconds, top speed of 130 mph, 80 mile
>range. Charges in three hours from your drier outlet (or 80% charge in 10
>minutes from a 200 amp socket). So narrow it can legally drive two to a lane
>or between stopped cars in California, but doesn't tip over, and can drive
>the carpool lane in Washington state with only the driver. Uses ordinary
>lead-acid batteries. Has a NASCAR regulation roll cage. Weighs as much as a
>Camry.
>
>My favorite part? Built by a small group of people who, unlike the big
>automakers, didn't seem to need any of the 1 1/2 gigadollars of taxpayer
>money that has been spent on this sort of thing in the last fifteen years or
>so.
>
>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2003/0727/cover.html
>
>http://www.commutercars.com/news/newspapers/011212ModestoBee.pdf
>
>http://www.commutercars.com/news/internet/030131TerabyteTriangle.pdf
>
>http://www.commutercars.com/news/magazines/030112PopularScience.pdf
>
>http://www.commutercars.com


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Article 22677
From: James R. Cunningham" 
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:38:09 -0700
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

And I notice that he's getting 0-60 acceleration that's 7% better than
that of a 427 Cobra with a weight that's equal to a Camry and therefore
substantially greater than that of the Cobra.  He must be putting out
600-700 horsepower or more. Either that, or his numbers don't add up.

Ed Johnson wrote:
> 
> Filksinger:   Reading those articles, it seems to me that he has
> priced himself out of contention.    Assuming that mass production
> can cut his price in half, it is still way too high for consumers to
> pay for what little they are getting.  And I do mean "little".
> 
> Ed J
> 
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:21:41 -0700, "Filksinger"
> <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
> 
> >Now for your commute, the Tango.
> >
> >Two passengers. 0 to 60 in four seconds, top speed of 130 mph, 80 mile
> >range. Charges in three hours from your drier outlet (or 80% charge in 10
> >minutes from a 200 amp socket). So narrow it can legally drive two to a lane
> >or between stopped cars in California, but doesn't tip over, and can drive
> >the carpool lane in Washington state with only the driver. Uses ordinary
> >lead-acid batteries. Has a NASCAR regulation roll cage. Weighs as much as a
> >Camry.
> >
> >My favorite part? Built by a small group of people who, unlike the big
> >automakers, didn't seem to need any of the 1 1/2 gigadollars of taxpayer
> >money that has been spent on this sort of thing in the last fifteen years or
> >so.
> >
> >http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2003/0727/cover.html
> >
> >http://www.commutercars.com/news/newspapers/011212ModestoBee.pdf
> >
> >http://www.commutercars.com/news/internet/030131TerabyteTriangle.pdf
> >
> >http://www.commutercars.com/news/magazines/030112PopularScience.pdf
> >
> >http://www.commutercars.com

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Article 22678
From: Eli Hestermann 
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:41:26 -0400
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I find Scotch on the rocks does a great job on sore throats. [g]

sbeck!@prodigy.net wrote:

>Eli Hestrmann wrote:
>
>
>I'm disappointed to hear that. Anecdotally, I once hadda go to a comedy
>club (too late to back out) with definite symptoms of a cold or flu coming
>on. Hypothetically thanks to the two-drink minimum, which led to two whiskey
>sours and a beer (I rarely settle for "getting by with the minimum"), the
>symptoms disappeared by the next morning.  My hypothesis was that a combination
>of alcohol and vitamin C from the drinks had fought off the infection.
>
>Of course, I realize this anecdotal data isn't really scientific evidence
>of anything -- but ever since, when I feel a cold coming on, I try to get
>a whiskey sour ASAP. :)  -- Steve
>  
>

-- 
Eli V. Hestermann
Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu
"Vita brevis est, ars longa."  -Seneca



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Article 22679
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:18:14 -0700
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Mass production isn't expected to halve the cost. It is expected to reduce
it by 75% or more. They need $20 million to get that level of mass
production started, with $12.5 million of it being needed to pay for the
Federal safety certifications. _If_ they can get the funding for a proper
mass production facility, economy of scale is expected to drop the price to
as high as $19k (if they sell 10,000 a year) or as low as $10k (if they
manage 100,000 a year).

Still think it would be priced out of the market?
-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined

Ed Johnson wrote:
> Filksinger:   Reading those articles, it seems to me that he has
> priced himself out of contention.    Assuming that mass production
> can cut his price in half, it is still way too high for consumers to
> pay for what little they are getting.  And I do mean "little".
>
> Ed J
>
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 00:21:41 -0700, "Filksinger"
> <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>
>> Now for your commute, the Tango.
>>
>> Two passengers. 0 to 60 in four seconds, top speed of 130 mph, 80
>> mile range. Charges in three hours from your drier outlet (or 80%
>> charge in 10 minutes from a 200 amp socket). So narrow it can
>> legally drive two to a lane or between stopped cars in California,
>> but doesn't tip over, and can drive the carpool lane in Washington
>> state with only the driver. Uses ordinary lead-acid batteries. Has a
>> NASCAR regulation roll cage. Weighs as much as a Camry.
>>
>> My favorite part? Built by a small group of people who, unlike the
>> big automakers, didn't seem to need any of the 1 1/2 gigadollars of
>> taxpayer money that has been spent on this sort of thing in the last
>> fifteen years or so.
>>
>> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2003/0727/cover.html
>>
>> http://www.commutercars.com/news/newspapers/011212ModestoBee.pdf
>>
>> http://www.commutercars.com/news/internet/030131TerabyteTriangle.pdf
>>
>> http://www.commutercars.com/news/magazines/030112PopularScience.pdf
>>
>> http://www.commutercars.com



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Article 22680
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 6 Aug 2003 03:47:50 GMT
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Rosie, the combat librarian!  I still have a picture of you somewhere going
full rock 'n roll with an AR15!

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Article 22681
From: C. H. Cardozo" 
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:12:40 -0400
Subject: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

One of those pseudo-personality tests, in this case, "Which Heinlein 
Book Should You Have Been A Character In?"  is at:
http://quizilla.com/users/dunkelza/quizzes/Which%20Heinlein%20Book%20Should%20You%20Have%20Been%20A%20Character%20In%3F/

My result was "You belong in The Man Who Sold The Moon. You are a 
dreamer. People don't understand you your calling, and often get in your 
way. Frontiers call to you, and you will breathe your last breath as you 
gaze back from a distant horizon."

That seems pretty on the money for me.

Carol


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Article 22682
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 13:26:41 -0400
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Eli:
    My grandmother (born in Sicily ca.: 1895) used to rub a tiny
thimble-full of whiskey on the gums of a cranky, teething baby.
This process took a long time and it certainly soothed the child.
However, I don't think that it was good for the baby.  This is an
Old-World remedy that I do not recommend to new mothers.

Ed J

On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:41:26 -0400, Eli Hestermann
<Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu> wrote:

>I find Scotch on the rocks does a great job on sore throats. [g]
>
>

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Article 22683
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 13:30:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

FS:    No, not too bad!  Those numbers sound good.   - IF - he can
get the financial backing it should be a great deal; a bargain.

Ed J

On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:18:14 -0700, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:

>Mass production isn't expected to halve the cost. It is expected to reduce
>it by 75% or more. They need $20 million to get that level of mass
>production started, with $12.5 million of it being needed to pay for the
>Federal safety certifications. _If_ they can get the funding for a proper
>mass production facility, economy of scale is expected to drop the price to
>as high as $19k (if they sell 10,000 a year) or as low as $10k (if they
>manage 100,000 a year).
>
>Still think it would be priced out of the market?


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Article 22684
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 13:45:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Jim:   While I might be happy with that "Hemi-`cuda" acceleration,
most would be happy with a lot less.  I'm sure that further
reductions in price can be had by using smaller, cheaper electric
motors for less acceleration.  A more expensive model could have
more batteries for extended range.  There are batteries available
today that will provide greater range because they have more
watt-hours per pound.  I don't believe that they are any cheaper per
watt-hour provided, however.  
   
   `Reminds me of a rocket inventor of a few years ago (?Mr. Ortrag,
Otrag?)  I believe that he was German.  He proposed a large
First-stage rocket that did not have a very high specific impulse;
nor was it the most fuel efficient. It was LOX + Kerosene,  much
lower Sp. Impulse than H2 + LOX.  What it did have was a very low
cost per pound of thrust.  He proposed using cheaper components than
NASA was using.  One component that I remember was a Volkswagen
windshield-wiper motor to open and close valves on his rocket.

Ed J

On Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:38:09 -0700, "James R. Cunningham"
<jrccea@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>And I notice that he's getting 0-60 acceleration that's 7% better than
>that of a 427 Cobra with a weight that's equal to a Camry and therefore
>substantially greater than that of the Cobra.  He must be putting out
>600-700 horsepower or more. Either that, or his numbers don't add up.
>
>Ed

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Article 22685
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 13:52:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Carol:  I gave it a try:  I would give it a 23, you can't dance to
it and it seems woefully inadequate for the task at hand <g>.

Ed J
I'm sure that within our group could are some Heinlein scholars who
could make up some suggestions to greatly enhance and improve on
what is on that web page.

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:12:40 -0400, "C. H. Cardozo"
<cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote:

>One of those pseudo-personality tests, in this case, "Which Heinlein 
>Book Should You Have Been A Character In?"  is at:
>http://quizilla.com/users/dunkelza/quizzes/Which%20Heinlein%20Book%20Should%20You%20Have%20Been%20A%20Character%20In%3F/
>
>My result was "You belong in The Man Who Sold The Moon. You are a 
>dreamer. People don't understand you your calling, and often get in your 
>way. Frontiers call to you, and you will breathe your last breath as you 
>gaze back from a distant horizon."
>
>That seems pretty on the money for me.
>
>Carol


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Article 22686
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 18:52:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


>My result was "You belong in The Man Who Sold The Moon.

  Puppet Masters--just because I do security checks on the house first
thing in the morning and last thing at night... doesn't everyone? 


Deb  (D.A. Houdek) 
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com

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Article 22687
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 19:21:42 GMT
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

 
  Judging from our last electric bill (prices courtesy of CA Gov. Gray
Davis), plugging that thing in to a dryer outlet sucking power for
three hours every night would cost substantially more than buying gas
every week. Their 'half the price of gasoline' was based on some
fantasy electricity prices one-third the cost of what we pay, and that
extensive extra electricity useage would probably kick us into an even
higher $/kWh rate tier. I'm not even convinced that it would cause
less pollution--generating electricity causes substantial pollution
(they do a lot of burning of stuff here to make electricity) and our
current cars, newish ones with CA emission standards, emit virtually
nothing. 

  One of the major car manufactures was running around this summer
with a hydrogen powered car they were showing off as a prototype. One
glance at it had me in awe... in awe at the dazzling lack of basic
thought in its design. Hydrogen cars emitting water vapor would, of
course, be an environmental disaster. But the most blatent flaw with
the water-vapor exhaust on this thing was that it was aimed at the
ground. Imagine driving a rolling ice maker down the roads in winter.
Maybe that's the plan--thin the herds by killing off people on icy
roads. Not that these hydrogen cars will work in most areas of the
country in the winter, they'll freeze up.


Deb  (D.A. Houdek) 
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com

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Article 22688
From: Robert Slater" 
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:21:56 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

SIFI Rob:
[You belong in Time Enough For Love. You are older than you look. Your wit
and wisdom are prized by others. People throw themselves on you, begging to
be with you.]
Well, it is my favorite.

"C. H. Cardozo" <cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote in message
news:3F30AA68.7050307@planet-save.com...
> One of those pseudo-personality tests, in this case, "Which Heinlein
> Book Should You Have Been A Character In?"  is at:
>
http://quizilla.com/users/dunkelza/quizzes/Which%20Heinlein%20Book%20Should%20You%20Have%20Been%20A%20Character%20In%3F/
>
> My result was "You belong in The Man Who Sold The Moon. You are a
> dreamer. People don't understand you your calling, and often get in your
> way. Frontiers call to you, and you will breathe your last breath as you
> gaze back from a distant horizon."
>
> That seems pretty on the money for me.
>
> Carol
>



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Article 22689
From: JT 
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 21:31:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

IWFNE--because I said that I was most likely to say I was tired & that
I groaned first thing in the morning.  Hey, you have two kids under
three and a cr@ppy mattress and you see what you answer! <VBG>

The quiz was pretty transparent, but it was fun and, hey, we have an
on-topic thread for once!  Thanks, Carol.  :)

JT

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:21:56 -0700, "Robert Slater"
<rslater215@comcast.net> wrote:

>SIFI Rob:
>[You belong in Time Enough For Love. You are older than you look. Your wit
>and wisdom are prized by others. People throw themselves on you, begging to
>be with you.]
>Well, it is my favorite.
>
>"C. H. Cardozo" <cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote in message
>news:3F30AA68.7050307@planet-save.com...
>> One of those pseudo-personality tests, in this case, "Which Heinlein
>> Book Should You Have Been A Character In?"  is at:
>>
>http://quizilla.com/users/dunkelza/quizzes/Which%20Heinlein%20Book%20Should%20You%20Have%20Been%20A%20Character%20In%3F/
>>
>> My result was "You belong in The Man Who Sold The Moon. You are a
>> dreamer. People don't understand you your calling, and often get in your
>> way. Frontiers call to you, and you will breathe your last breath as you
>> gaze back from a distant horizon."
>>
>> That seems pretty on the money for me.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>


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Article 22690
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 19:40:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Mine was TMIAHM.
"You belong in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. You value freedom above all
else. You would fight and die for your family and your home."

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined

JT wrote:
> IWFNE--because I said that I was most likely to say I was tired & that
> I groaned first thing in the morning.  Hey, you have two kids under
> three and a cr@ppy mattress and you see what you answer! <VBG>
>
> The quiz was pretty transparent, but it was fun and, hey, we have an
> on-topic thread for once!  Thanks, Carol.  :)
>
> JT
>
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 15:21:56 -0700, "Robert Slater"
> <rslater215@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> SIFI Rob:
>> [You belong in Time Enough For Love. You are older than you look.
>> Your wit
>> and wisdom are prized by others. People throw themselves on you,
>> begging to
>> be with you.]
>> Well, it is my favorite.
>>
>> "C. H. Cardozo" <cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote in message
>> news:3F30AA68.7050307@planet-save.com...
>>> One of those pseudo-personality tests, in this case, "Which Heinlein
>>> Book Should You Have Been A Character In?"  is at:
>>>
>>
http://quizilla.com/users/dunkelza/quizzes/Which%20Heinlein%20Book%20Should%20You%20Have%20Been%20A%20Character%20In%3F/
>>>
>>> My result was "You belong in The Man Who Sold The Moon. You are a
>>> dreamer. People don't understand you your calling, and often get in
>>> your
>>> way. Frontiers call to you, and you will breathe your last breath
>>> as you
>>> gaze back from a distant horizon."
>>>
>>> That seems pretty on the money for me.
>>>
>>> Carol



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Article 22691
From: RPostelnek" 
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 22:47:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum



      You belong in the Cat Who Walks Through Walls. You are creative and
cunning. Your works often feel empty to you, though others love them. You
suspect that the universe and everyone in it are just characters in someone
else's story.

      I don't know why.  Its not in my top ten books.

                                                       Rosie



"C. H. Cardozo" <cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote in message
news:3F30AA68.7050307@planet-save.com...
> One of those pseudo-personality tests, in this case, "Which Heinlein
> Book Should You Have Been A Character In?"  is at:
>
http://quizilla.com/users/dunkelza/quizzes/Which%20Heinlein%20Book%20Should%
20You%20Have%20Been%20A%20Character%20In%3F/
>
> My result was "You belong in The Man Who Sold The Moon. You are a
> dreamer. People don't understand you your calling, and often get in your
> way. Frontiers call to you, and you will breathe your last breath as you
> gaze back from a distant horizon."
>
> That seems pretty on the money for me.
>
> Carol
>



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Article 22692
From: James R. Cunningham" 
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 00:36:50 -0700
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Well, actually I seriously doubt that he is putting out anything like
the horsepower and torque required to get the acceleration he quotes.  I
find it more likely that the actual performance is somewhat reduced from
that stated on the website.
Jim

Ed Johnson wrote:
> 
> Jim:   While I might be happy with that "Hemi-`cuda" acceleration,
> most would be happy with a lot less.  I'm sure that further
> reductions in price can be had by using smaller, cheaper electric
> motors for less acceleration.  A more expensive model could have
> more batteries for extended range.  There are batteries available
> today that will provide greater range because they have more
> watt-hours per pound.  I don't believe that they are any cheaper per
> watt-hour provided, however.

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Article 22693
From: Audrey Gifford 
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:23:14 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Mine said Time enough for Love. And I would have bet moon is a harsh 
mistress, all along.



RPostelnek wrote:
>       You belong in the Cat Who Walks Through Walls. You are creative and
> cunning. Your works often feel empty to you, though others love them. You
> suspect that the universe and everyone in it are just characters in someone
> else's story.
> 
>       I don't know why.  Its not in my top ten books.
> 
>                                                        Rosie
> 
> 
> 
> "C. H. Cardozo" <cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote in message
> news:3F30AA68.7050307@planet-save.com...
> 
>>One of those pseudo-personality tests, in this case, "Which Heinlein
>>Book Should You Have Been A Character In?"  is at:
>>
> 
> http://quizilla.com/users/dunkelza/quizzes/Which%20Heinlein%20Book%20Should%
> 20You%20Have%20Been%20A%20Character%20In%3F/
> 
>>My result was "You belong in The Man Who Sold The Moon. You are a
>>dreamer. People don't understand you your calling, and often get in your
>>way. Frontiers call to you, and you will breathe your last breath as you
>>gaze back from a distant horizon."
>>
>>That seems pretty on the money for me.
>>
>>Carol
>>
> 
> 
> 


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Article 22694
From: Audrey Gifford 
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:25:08 -0700
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

No, no, no, the whiskey (or libation of choice) should be rubbed on the 
gums of the mother.  The baby can have anbesol in the little pink baby 
tube.



Ed Johnson wrote:
> Eli:
>     My grandmother (born in Sicily ca.: 1895) used to rub a tiny
> thimble-full of whiskey on the gums of a cranky, teething baby.
> This process took a long time and it certainly soothed the child.
> However, I don't think that it was good for the baby.  This is an
> Old-World remedy that I do not recommend to new mothers.
> 
> Ed J
> 
> On Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:41:26 -0400, Eli Hestermann
> <Eli_Hestermann@dfci.harvard.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
>>I find Scotch on the rocks does a great job on sore throats. [g]
>>
>>
> 


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Article 22695
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 21:30:34 -0400
Subject: Re: The Alcohol Challenge!
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Audrey:   Sounds like you have the correct remedy <G>.

Ed J



On Thu, 07 Aug 2003 22:25:08 -0700, Audrey Gifford
<agifford@surewest.net> wrote:

>No, no, no, the whiskey (or libation of choice) should be rubbed on the 
>gums of the mother.  The baby can have anbesol in the little pink baby 
>tube.
>
>
>
>

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Article 22696
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 22:32:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Audrey Gifford" <agifford@surewest.net> wrote in message
news:3F3333C2.4020600@surewest.net...
> Mine said Time enough for Love. And I would have bet moon is a harsh
> mistress, all along.
>
>

I'm not surprised at all! <g>

I came up with The Cat Who Walks Through Walls

WJaKe



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Article 22697
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 23:16:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com>>
>   One of the major car manufactures was running around this summer
> with a hydrogen powered car
 <snip>
> Imagine driving a rolling ice maker down the roads in winter.
> Maybe that's the plan--thin the herds by killing off people on icy
> roads. Not that these hydrogen cars will work in most areas of the
> country in the winter, they'll freeze up.
>
Not being from Minnesota, that's something I hadn't thought of. Yes, I did
spend a number of my adult years in Wisconsin, but I'm trying to block that
out....

As for this electric car, it weighs almost as much as my PT Cruiser. I can't
imagine it puts out even the modest hp that I have at my disposal. And every
know and then, I need more power. (ooh oh oh!)

If you read the specifactions and performance pages carefully, it does not
look like they have even timed this car in the quarter-mail, or done 0-60
times. The fine print says these are projections based on other vehicles
using the same drive system. I think reality will be just a bit different.

WJaKe



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Article 22698
From: James R. Cunningham" 
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 09:25:01 -0700
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

William J. Keaton wrote:
> 

> As for this electric car, it weighs almost as much as my PT Cruiser. I can't
> imagine it puts out even the modest hp that I have at my disposal. And every
> know and then, I need more power. (ooh oh oh!)

Based on their website statements, it is clear that it would have to put
out hundreds of horsepower during peak acceleration. (see below)

> 
> If you read the specifactions and performance pages carefully, it does not
> look like they have even timed this car in the quarter-mail, or done 0-60
> times. The fine print says these are projections based on other vehicles
> using the same drive system. I think reality will be just a bit different.

Yes.  Substantially different.

JimC

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Article 22699
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 14:04:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Interesting Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Jim:    I recall a test of a few years ago that was impressive.
This was of a standard, large ca.  It was modified to include: many,
heavy lead-acid batteries and one twenty hp series-wound electric
motor.
The car was about one thousand pounds heavier than a factory stock
version.  The acceleration (0 to 60 mph) as I vividly recall was
better than was the stock car with a large V8 engine rated at over
four hundred hp!.  I would need some of our cobbers who are
Engineers to help me with this as I know that it seems hard to
believe.  As a former industrial electrician, I have worked with
electric motors.  The amount of torque that a ten hp electric puts
out is simply amazing.  A 20 hp electric motor has amazing "low-end
torque" which is necessary for rapid acceleration from a
stand-still.  Gasoline powered, reciprocating engines can "develop"
a great deal of horse-power once they have revved up to a few
thousand rpm.

Ed J

On Sat, 09 Aug 2003 09:25:01 -0700, "James R. Cunningham"
<jrccea@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>William J. Keaton wrote:
>> 
>
>> As for this electric car, it weighs almost as much as my PT Cruiser. I can't
>> imagine it puts out even the modest hp that I have at my disposal. And every
>> know and then, I need more power. (ooh oh oh!)
>
>Based on their website statements, it is clear that it would have to put
>out hundreds of horsepower during peak acceleration. (see below)
>
>> 
>> If you read the specifactions and performance pages carefully, it does not
>> look like they have even timed this car in the quarter-mail, or done 0-60
>> times. The fine print says these are projections based on other vehicles
>> using the same drive system. I think reality will be just a bit different.
>
>Yes.  Substantially different.
>
>JimC


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Article 22700
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 20:32:06 GMT
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Well, I haven't been lurking much, but I have dropped by a few times
in the last months and browsed thru.

I owe an answer for my absense and lack of contact with my dear
friends here.  I dunno how to start, so let me dive in.

Last January, I was diagnosed with the "Big C" (and NOT Big Charlie
<g>)  Yep, breast cancer.  Ain't it great?  Actually, I was VERY
lucky.  They caught it early, contained totally in the duct, and so
far I have gotten by with two surgeries and radiation treatment.
They're saying I should take tamoxifil, and I am considering it.  It
could have been so much worse, but I was in a blue funk for a while, I
guess.  Steeped in feeling sorry for myself most likely.  Probably a
real joy for the family to put up with, but they did, God bless 'em.

Oh, and it didn't help that our dog died the week before the first
surgery.

Anyway, I think I'm getting over it all.  I hope those I've slighted
(you know who you are) will forgive me someday.

So anyway, howdy to all the old cobbers here.  I may not get here
often, but I will try not to be such a stranger.  (stranger than
what?)

Oh, and if anyone talks to Doc, tell him "little" Karl (all 6ft3 of
him) goes for his Air National Guard physical next week.  LOL.

Jai

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Article 22701
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 20:34:10 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Wed, 06 Aug 2003 03:12:40 -0400, "C. H. Cardozo"
<cadozo@planet-save.com> wrote:

>One of those pseudo-personality tests, in this case, "Which Heinlein 
>Book Should You Have Been A Character In?"  is at:
>http://quizilla.com/users/dunkelza/quizzes/Which%20Heinlein%20Book%20Should%20You%20Have%20Been%20A%20Character%20In%3F/

Mine was SIASL.

"You belong in Stranger in a Strange Land. You are an alien amongst
your own kind. Your wisdom is recognized by few, and your awesome
power is balanced by your boundless love."

Don't know about the power and love part, but the rest seems true
enuf.

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Article 22702
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:10:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Jai Johnson-Pickett" <hf_jai@prodigy.net> wrote in
> Mine was SIASL.
>
> "You belong in Stranger in a Strange Land. You are an alien amongst
> your own kind. Your wisdom is recognized by few, and your awesome
> power is balanced by your boundless love."

"You are a liberal in the Heinlein Forum...."

<g, d & r!>

WJaKe



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Article 22703
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 17:14:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Jai Johnson-Pickett" <hf_jai@prodigy.net> wrote
>
> Last January, I was diagnosed with the "Big C"

Hey Jai, good to see you around again. And good luck! I hope you are over
"all of it" and will be stranger than ever! <g>

<sigh>

It's happening all over the place. People I know are getting cancer, having
heart attacks, turning 40 (or 50, or 60, etc)

Forget the warp drive, we need the time machine!

WJaKe



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Article 22704
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:06:21 GMT
Subject: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


  I'd like to put elements from "Galactic Citizen" on our Heinlein
website (http://www.robertaheinlein.com), in a Heinlein Forum
section--been looking through the old issues and there's some really
fine work in them (which I always knew), articles, artwork, poems, and
fiction. I want to start with the most Heinlein-related stuff, plus
the poems and artwork to act as illustrations, and expand from there
into the fiction if it looks like the readers are appreciating it. I
published the first four issues and WJaKe took over from there, but
copyrights remained with the authors and artists. 

  Here's the things I'd like to start with. Please let me know if it's
okay with you to put your work on the website:  

  CHUCK "DOC" COFFIN-"Tribute to Robert A. Heinlein", issue 2;
"Starship Troopers Reviewed", issue 2

  ROSIE POSTELNEK--your issue 2 poems, "Dreams, I thought, Music"

  DEANNA HIGGINBOTHAM--your artwork: "No Excuses", "Lovely", "Equally
Lovely", "Proof of Title", "Mama Maureen"

  STEVE BECK--I want carte blanche on your artwork, but would pretty
much emphasize those that weren't done specifically for Bytor's or
SIFI Rob's stories. 

  JT & SIFI ROB--ditto the carte blanche on your poems, if you're okay
with the general idea of putting them on the website then we can work
out which ones you do or don't want published on the web.

  BETH, JAMES HUNT--likewise on the poems

  WJaKE--issue 4 article "A Visit to Butler, MO" by Paul Van Bloem &
William J. Keaton. I'd really like to put this article up, but don't
recall seeing Paul around for ages. WJaKe, do you have contact? Or can
give solo permission? Or a rewrite to your own solo version? 

  There's a lot more I'd like to mine from Galactic Citizen, but these
are a start. 

  
  
  

  
Deb  (D.A. Houdek) 
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com

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Article 22705
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 22:14:11 GMT
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


  Goodness, Jai. A lot of time and events to take in in one gulp. Very
glad that at present things are looking good, but have a strong desire
to rewind time to offer retroactive support, virtual hugs, and
affection at the times you were needing it. It was always there, even
if I was blissfully ignorant of your troubles at the time. 

Deb  (D.A. Houdek) 
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com

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Article 22706
From: James Hunt 
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 17:15:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Reprinting Galactic Citizen
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum



Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
>   I'd like to put elements from "Galactic Citizen" on our Heinlein
> website (http://www.robertaheinlein.com), in a Heinlein Forum
> section
>   BETH, JAMES HUNT--likewise on the poems

You are welcome to use anything of mine.  Don't know about the quality 
though.

GemStone


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Article 22707
From: Wendy of NJ 
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 19:52:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Character Test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Frighteningly enough, I should be in "Time Enough for Love"
(I knew that "Real-Life Heinlein Female" button was going to get me into 
trouble!)
-Wendy of NJ
(back to lurking)

C. H. Cardozo wrote:
> One of those pseudo-personality tests, in this case, "Which Heinlein 
> Book Should You Have Been A Character In?"  is at:
> http://quizilla.com/users/dunkelza/quizzes/Which%20Heinlein%20Book%20Should%20You%20Have%20Been%20A%20Character%20In%3F/ 
> 
> 
> My result was "You belong in The Man Who Sold The Moon. You are a 
> dreamer. People don't understand you your calling, and often get in your 
> way. Frontiers call to you, and you will breathe your last breath as you 
> gaze back from a distant horizon."
> 
> That seems pretty on the money for me.
> 
> Carol
> 


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Article 22708
From: Audrey Gifford 
Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 17:58:06 -0700
Subject: Re: Thanks for the welcome
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

My prayers are with you



Jai Johnson-Pickett wrote:
> Well, I haven't been lurking much, but I have dropped by a few times
> in the last months and browsed thru.
> 
> I owe an answer for my absense and lack of contact with my dear
> friends here.  I dunno how to start, so let me dive in.
> 
> Last January, I was diagnosed with the "Big C" (and NOT Big Charlie
> <g>)  Yep, breast cancer.  Ain't it great?  Actually, I was VERY
> lucky.  They caught it early, contained totally in the duct, and so
> far I have gotten by with two surgeries and radiation treatment.
> They're saying I should take tamoxifil, and I am considering it.  It
> could have been so much worse, but I was in a blue funk for a while, I
> guess.  Steeped in feeling sorry for myself most likely.  Probably a
> real joy for the family to put up with, but they did, God bless 'em.
> 
> Oh, and it didn't help that our dog died the week before the first
> surgery.
> 
> Anyway, I think I'm getting over it all.  I hope those I've slighted
> (you know who you are) will forgive me someday.
> 
> So anyway, howdy to all the old cobbers here.  I may not get here
> often, but I will try not to be such a stranger.  (stranger than
> what?)
> 
> Oh, and if anyone talks to Doc, tell him "little" Karl (all 6ft3 of
> him) goes for his Air National Guard physical next week.  LOL.
> 
> Jai


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