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Article 23084
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:11:38 -0700
Subject: Cyberethics
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

What are the legalities of turning off a sapient computer? A group of
lawyers, recognizing that we may need an answer for this question soon,
decided to try a mock legal proceeding to defend a sentient machine from
being turned off.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0594.html

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 23085
From: David M. Silver" 
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:26:52 -0700
Subject: Re: Cyberethics
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

In article <3f945050.0@news.sff.net>,
 "Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:

> What are the legalities of turning off a sapient computer? A group of
> lawyers, recognizing that we may need an answer for this question soon,
> decided to try a mock legal proceeding to defend a sentient machine from
> being turned off.
> 
> http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0594.html

Be interesting to take the time and trace those arguments made to see 
how much or how little RAH missed in "Jerry Is a Man" or "The Moon is a 
Harsh Mistress."

Thanks, Filksinger, a pleasure to read it.

-- 
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88

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Article 23086
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:38:41 -0700
Subject: Re: Cyberethics
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

David M. Silver wrote:
> In article <3f945050.0@news.sff.net>,
>  "Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:
>
> > What are the legalities of turning off a sapient computer? A group
> > of lawyers, recognizing that we may need an answer for this
> > question soon, decided to try a mock legal proceeding to defend a
> > sentient machine from being turned off.
> >
> > http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0594.html
>
> Be interesting to take the time and trace those arguments made to see
> how much or how little RAH missed in "Jerry Is a Man" or "The Moon is
> a Harsh Mistress."
>
> Thanks, Filksinger, a pleasure to read it.

Glad to send it along. The rec.music.filk newsgroup has an overflow mailing
list, for when discussions go too far afield, and the rights of a creator
over a sentient creation was one of the discussions which developed from a
"I think religions, and thus religious people, are irrational" rant.

I was forced to drop the newsgroup, due to lack of time to read it all, but
still stay signed onto the overflow list for gems like this.

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 23087
From: JT 
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:00:59 -0400
Subject: Prodigy Boards Closing Down
Newsgroups: sff.people.deb
            sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:40:33 -0400, Roger Stegman
<rstegman@prodigy.net> wrote:
>	Prodigy is closing down Friday, so I have started the process of 
>copying the "brilliance I posted over the past several months. I had 
>copied all my previous brilliance in June, when prodigy was closing down 
>some boards. I will bring myself up to date. The idea is that I can look 
>back at those posts, and also mine them for new notes and ideas. I 
>suggest that everyone else does this too. At least read some of the old 
>notes. They bring back memories.
>	I joined with Prodigy back in ‘92, and most of what  they had back then 
>was their bulletin boards. Even though they diversified quite a bit 
>since then, I still  consider the communities as the real prodigy. 
>Everything else is simply the same junk that most ISP have. When the 
>communities are shut down, prodigy in essence, will be gone. The email 
>address will carry on, but the soul of the system will have died.
>	As it is, I will be posting on prodigy boards until they lock the doors 
>on me. That happened when prodigy classic died because of the Y2K bug, 
>so I see no reason that should not happen here too.
>	
Roger, 
Please raise a virtual glass there for the old ARTS BB.  Prodigy
changed my life for the better and I am sad to see it go.  If they had
only taken a chance on the marketing like AOL did....  If only....
They had the superior product for the longest time, but never
leveraged it.

JT
(former Prodigy contractor--Science Fiction BB Leader 1995)

*cross-posted to sff.discuss.heinlein-forum*

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Article 23088
From: Kevin Patrick Crowley 
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:12:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Prodigy Boards Closing Down
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

So many possibilities.  So few remain.

Kevin

JT wrote:

> On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:40:33 -0400, Roger Stegman
> <rstegman@prodigy.net> wrote:
> 
>>	Prodigy is closing down Friday, so I have started the process of 
>>copying the "brilliance I posted over the past several months. I had 
>>copied all my previous brilliance in June, when prodigy was closing down 
>>some boards. I will bring myself up to date. The idea is that I can look 
>>back at those posts, and also mine them for new notes and ideas. I 
>>suggest that everyone else does this too. At least read some of the old 
>>notes. They bring back memories.
>>	I joined with Prodigy back in ‘92, and most of what  they had back then 
>>was their bulletin boards. Even though they diversified quite a bit 
>>since then, I still  consider the communities as the real prodigy. 
>>Everything else is simply the same junk that most ISP have. When the 
>>communities are shut down, prodigy in essence, will be gone. The email 
>>address will carry on, but the soul of the system will have died.
>>	As it is, I will be posting on prodigy boards until they lock the doors 
>>on me. That happened when prodigy classic died because of the Y2K bug, 
>>so I see no reason that should not happen here too.
>>	
> 
> Roger, 
> Please raise a virtual glass there for the old ARTS BB.  Prodigy
> changed my life for the better and I am sad to see it go.  If they had
> only taken a chance on the marketing like AOL did....  If only....
> They had the superior product for the longest time, but never
> leveraged it.
> 
> JT
> (former Prodigy contractor--Science Fiction BB Leader 1995)
> 
> *cross-posted to sff.discuss.heinlein-forum*


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Article 23089
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 01:00:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Prodigy Boards Closing Down
Newsgroups: sff.people.deb
            sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"JT" <JT@REM0VEsff.net> wrote
>  Prodigy
> changed my life for the better and I am sad to see it go.

Likewise I am sure. I still use Prodigy as my ISP, a bit of loyalty helped
along by the fact that they were the first to offer me DSL service.

The boards were a great and wonderful time, back in the heady days of 2400
baud modems and endless flip-flopping between unlimited service and
pay-per-minute.

Ahhh those blocky graphics! Anybody else remember the Subaru S|_|X ads? <g>

WJaKe



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Article 23090
From: Bill Dauphin 
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:54:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Paying It Forward -- A Modest Personal Request
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Well, I did run the race, and I managed to finish... in a time of 30:53 (~40
seconds slower than last year, but respectable considering how I'd been
training), which put me in 442nd place (no, that's not a typo) overall. I
must note, however, that more than 250 other runners finished behind me...
for whatever that's worth! <g> Among "Clydesdales and Athenas" (men over 200
lb and women over 150 lb), I did a little better, finishing 17th out of 38.
"Athletic" results notwithstanding, I had a great time, and can't wait to
start training for next year.

More importantly, I raised $550 to support cancer treatment at CCMC, thanks
to the generosity of folks like you. I want to thank each of you who
donated, or even wished me luck. Each donor will receive a personal note of
thanks (and acknowledgment) once the "books close," but I didn't want to
wait that long to express my gratitude to those of you who gave. If you
meant to give but were caught off guard by my tardy request, the web page
(see link below) will remain "live" for about a month, and I can continue to
accept direct pledges up 'til the end of October. Or you can just wait to
hear from me next year! <g>

Finally, an update on Mara herself: She just had another round of follow-up
screening tests last week, and everything was clear. It's been almost
exactly one year since her last treatment, and everything looks perfect so
far. She's enjoying 8th grade and taking two dance classes; her biggest
worry lately is preparing a tryout piece for the school talent show.

Thanks again...

-JovBill

On 10/6/03 9:56 PM, in article BBA79586.9F1-dauphinb@ix.netcom.com, "Bill
Dauphin" <dauphinb@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Cobbers:
> 
> I hope nobody will find this posting burdensome or offensive; forgive me in
> advance if you do.
> 
> I'm woefully delinquent in answering the latest "roll call" thread (I'll get
> to it RSN), but I think most of you know me. Many of you also know that a
> little more than 2 years ago my daughter was diagnosed with brain cancer.
> Over the ensuing year of treatment, the good doctors, nurses, patient care
> associates, social workers, child life specialists, dieticians, and even
> custodians at Connecticut Children's Medical Center here in Hartford not
> only healed Mara (knock wood) but also provided immeasurable support and
> comfort to the whole family.
> 
> My debt to CCMC is far too great to ever pay it back, but this coming
> Saturday I will run in the Greater Hartford Marathon 5K race in an effort to
> "pay it forward" by raising funds to benefit the patients of the hospital's
> hematology/oncology department.
> 
> If this cause touches your heart, any help, however small, would be
> appreciated. Giving is easy: Just visit my fundraising page (which gets the
> funds directly to the hospital and provides you an automatic tax receipt):
> 
> http://www.justgiving.com/PFP/fatguyruns
> 
> ...or if you prefer not to give over the web for security reasons, just
> contact me directly.
> 
> Thanks for listening...
> 
> -Bill "JovBill" Dauphin, aka Mara's dad
> 11 Olive Lane
> Vernon, CT 06066
> (860) 871-5951
> william.dauphin@comcast.net
> 


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Article 23091
From: Eli Hestermann 
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 05:27:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Paying It Forward -- A Modest Personal Request
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I always thought of you as more of a "Belgian" than "Clydesdale". [vbg] 
Congrats on finishing from one cobber who does _not_ run.

-- 
Eli V. Hestermann
ehestermann@charter.net
"Vita brevis est, ars longa" - Seneca


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Article 23092
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 03:08:15 -0700
Subject: Seattle and Rain
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Seattle just beat its old record for most inches of rain in one day. By more
than 25%.


-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 23093
From: JT 
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 21:50:59 -0400
Subject: _Callahan's Con_ (spoilers)
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

So I finished the latest Callahan's book.  Spoiler space.....
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..
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..
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Okay, you were warned... ;)
I was disappointed that the "con" played out so quickly.
Doc's illness and death seemed very much like, what "major thing" can
I do to these folks?
I generally like Spider's writing style, but the Callahan's world
seems to irritate me as much as please me these days.  Am I alone in
feeling that?

I mean, I've still bought just about everything he's done in hardcover
as soon as I've seen it; I guess I just have high expectations. ;)

JT

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Article 23094
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:40:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Cyberethics
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Filksinger:
   Cool!

Ed J

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:11:38 -0700, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:

>What are the legalities of turning off a sapient computer? A group of
>lawyers, recognizing that we may need an answer for this question soon,
>decided to try a mock legal proceeding to defend a sentient machine from
>being turned off.
>
>http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=/articles/art0594.html


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Article 23095
From: John Paul Vrolyk 
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 07:36:24 -0700
Subject: Re: Seattle and Rain
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Filksinger wrote:
> Seattle just beat its old record for most inches of rain in one day. By
> more than 25%.

That was a record?  I thought it was always that rainy around here.
I'd heard that it rains straight from October through March.

And, hey, Filksinger!  Les & I are pretty much settled into the area
here now.  Give us a call if you want to get together some time.

-- 
John Paul Vrolyk
http://www.vrolyk.org/jp/
jp@vrolyk.org

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Article 23096
From: Roger Stegman 
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:48:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Prodigy Boards Closing Down
Newsgroups: sff.people.deb
            sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Here is something new.

http://www.xprodigy.net/

This is a couple prodigy format boards created by prodigy members. The 
crafts and hobbies is exactly the same as prodigy has now, except for 
all the posts.

http://wwforums.com A writing board area.
I spend my time on the fantasy writing board. There is a slight clique 
there, but not difficult to break through if you have something to say.

http://pub152.ezboard.com/ballnews
Military and veterans board
loads of topics, some of interest.

http://www.aantares.com/
loads of topics, some of interest. I heard somewhere that they may 
choose to charge later.

http://pub17.ezboard.com/bthephoenixgate
The Phoenix Gate
Nice board, but it might not last more than six months. Will have to see 
what kind of activity there is on it.

http://www.lilibon.com/the_inn/phpBB2/ Eclix member created board
Limited subject matter. directed at the ARTS bb of Eclix

http://on-track-on-line.com/

railroad related Prodigy member created board

http://www.bbmessages.com
Eclix board system
***********
This was ripped off The Phoenix Gate board.

   Replacement BBs  Here is a list of replacement forums that I know of.

Yahoo Groups: Single topic/interest, receive/reply by e-mail, integrated 
chat room, works best for newsletters/mailing lists and chit-chat. Most 
are moderated, some have restricted membership.

groups.yahoo.com/group/Get_Organized/ (Home Organization forum)
groups.yahoo.com/group/jdanniel/ (Computing BB newsletter/mailing list only)
groups.yahoo.com/group/medicalsupport/ (Med Support BB)
groups.yahoo.com/group/P_N_R/ (Naturist forum)
groups.yahoo.com/group/christianmusic-list/ (Christian Music e-mail list)
groups.yahoo.com/group/PALSCRAFT/ (Crafts BB)
groups.yahoo.com/group/ProdigyBooksandWriting/ (Books & Writing BB)
groups.yahoo.com/group/StrangeNewWorlds/ (Sci-fi forum)
groups.yahoo.com/group/xProdigy_Military_Vets/ (Military BB)
groups.yahoo.com/group/prodigybeadorphans/ (Classic Beads BB)
groups.yahoo.com/group/HHGH/(Classic AA Group)
groups.yahoo.com/group/sahm-40_somethings/(Classic Christian SAHM)
groups.yahoo.com/group/Classicteddybears/(Classic Teddy Bear Collectors)
groups.yahoo.com/group/TrueBlackExperience/(Classic Black Experience BB)
groups.yahoo.com/group/ProdigyClassicOver50Reunion/Classic Over 50)
groups.yahoo.com/group/our_great_debate/ (News & Issues)
groups.yahoo.com/group/ProdigyRootbeerStand/ (Classic Arts & Writing 
Chat Room)

MSN Groups: Nicer interface, multiple forums in one group, receive/reply 
by e-mail, different, but really OK once you get used to them.

groups.msn.com/ProdigyRefugeeCamp (started as Seniors BB, now has 
multiple interest forums)
groups.msn.com/OpenSeason (Comedy BB)
groups.msn.com/WugosPage (Relationships BB)
groups.msn.com/GardeningOnly (Gardening BB)
groups.msn.com/PDoghouse/home.htm (Pets BB - dogs forum)

New version of UBB, familiar moderators. Free for now, but may become a 
paid BB service
aantares.com/

EZ Boards: User Friendly, nice interface, multiple forums

pub152.ezboard.com/ballnews (created by Tina - started as Military & 
Vets, now has lots interest forums)

Individual BBs (some of these created by eClix members who were also on P*)
www.pzsweb.com/yabbse/index.php (Food BB)
www.lilibon.com/the_inn/phpBB2/ (Arts & Writing forums)
www.trucker2000.net/forum/index.php (Sci-fi forum - Strange New Worlds)
freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~genealogylinks (Genealogy and History 
Library Links)
forum.amback.com/index.php (Outdoor Sports & Recreation)

CuteCast BBs look very much like UBB - and are almost identical to the 
Prodigy BBs. Web Hosting by NetFirms - a free web hosting service, with 
reasonable rates for paid web hosting.

computing.xprodigy.net/ (computing BB)
pets.xprodigy.net/ (Pets BB)
crafts.xprodigy.net/ (Crafts & Hobbies BB)
house.xprodigy.net/ (About the House BB)



Delphi Forums: nice enough interface - but takes some getting used to. 
Free basic memberships - and paid memberships turn off the ads. Some of 
these were started when Prodigy Classic closed.
forums.delphiforums.com/GUPH/start (Seniors - Grown Ups Play House)
forums.delphiforums.com/declutter/start (Home Organization)
forums.delphiforums.com/jfhammer/start(Computing BB)
forums.delphiforums.com/pseniors/start (Seniors BB)
forums.delphiforums.com/PC_Boards(MoneyBB)

Feel free to add any others that you find



> 
> Roger, 
> Please raise a virtual glass there for the old ARTS BB.  Prodigy
> changed my life for the better and I am sad to see it go.  If they had
> only taken a chance on the marketing like AOL did....  If only....
> They had the superior product for the longest time, but never
> leveraged it.
> 
> JT
> (former Prodigy contractor--Science Fiction BB Leader 1995)
> 
> *cross-posted to sff.discuss.heinlein-forum*


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Article 23097
From: cdozo 
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:30:17 -0500
Subject: Heinlein Plot Summaries
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Hey Folks,

Some of you may have seen this web page. But if you haven't, you might
want to check it out. It has a list of Heinlein stories with some nice
plot summaries. My favorite is the one for Waldo.  It's at
http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~main/heinlein.html#Goldfish  

Carol

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Article 23098
From: William J. Keaton" 
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 01:43:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Prodigy Boards Closing Down
Newsgroups: sff.people.deb
            sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"Roger Stegman" <rstegman@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3f97255d.0@news.sff.net...
> Here is something new.
>
> http://www.xprodigy.net/
>

ahhh, but has anyone re-credited those wonderful blocky graphics of the old
original Prodigy Online Service days!

WJaKe



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Article 23099
From: David Wright" 
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:18:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Plot Summaries
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum


"cdozo" <cadozo@planet-save.comDELETE> wrote in message
news:svlepvcn6bbjacq53afris1gtrit8qoonc@4ax.com...
> Hey Folks,
>
> Some of you may have seen this web page. But if you haven't, you might
> want to check it out. It has a list of Heinlein stories with some nice
> plot summaries. My favorite is the one for Waldo.  It's at
> http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~main/heinlein.html#Goldfish
>
> Carol

One of the many links to be found on the 'links' page of The Heinlein
Society's web site.

http://heinleinsociety.org/links.html

Check out the rest of the site if you haven't seen it recently.
-- 
David Wright

Join us at the next Heinlein Readers Group, Saturday October 25, at 5:00
P.M. EDT
The topic will be 'Time Travel vs. Free Will - is there really a conflict?"

See http://heinleinsociety.org/readersgroup/index.html#Info for instructions
Go to top of that page for latest logs.



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Article 23100
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:25:12 -0700
Subject: New Breakthrough in Electricity Generation
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

This is (accurately, as best I can tell) being touted as the first new
method of generating electricity in 160 years.

Yes, 160 years.

http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=a919bddb-ac41-4748-8872-ded552733d02


-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 23101
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:45:55 -0700
Subject: Re: Seattle and Rain
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

John Paul Vrolyk wrote:
> Filksinger wrote:
> > Seattle just beat its old record for most inches of rain in one
> > day. By more than 25%.
>
> That was a record?  I thought it was always that rainy around here.
> I'd heard that it rains straight from October through March.

Yes, but that was much heavier than usual. Usually, you get fairly
persistent rain through most of that time, but it is lighter, and less
consistent. That same amount of rain will fall, off and on throughout the
day, on, say, half or more of all days, but over an entire month. On the
remaining days, you will half expect rain on at least half of them, as well.

Overall, Seattle gets more days containing rain than most cities, but plenty
of cities get more inches of rain over a year. New York City, for instance.
If you want really persistent rain, visit the ocean side of the Olympic
Peninsula.

Besides, we wouldn't want it to get out that things aren't that bad here.

> And, hey, Filksinger!  Les & I are pretty much settled into the area
> here now.  Give us a call if you want to get together some time.

Sounds like a good idea. We don't get out too much, for a variety of
reasons, but I'm sure we can work out something. The biggest problem I can
see is never knowing what days Tanja is feeling well enough to want to go
somewhere.:( However, she is much improved these days. Most reliable way to
contact us is by email, but I'll also send you our number.

-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined



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Article 23102
From: JT 
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 21:30:28 -0400
Subject: Re: New Breakthrough in Electricity Generation
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Pretty interesting.  Hope they can make it work in a practical
application.

JT


On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:25:12 -0700, "Filksinger"
<filksinger@earthling.net> wrote:

>This is (accurately, as best I can tell) being touted as the first new
>method of generating electricity in 160 years.
>
>Yes, 160 years.
>
>http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=a919bddb-ac41-4748-8872-ded552733d02



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Article 23103
From: fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:14:34 GMT
Subject: Computer problems
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Mark's having a problem with his computer, he's running WinXP, keeps
getting the message, UNMOUNTBLE_BOOT_VOLUME in the midst of trying
various things to get it running again we started getting a beep & the
message the the CPU fan wasn't running. We started the computer up
with the case open, & the fan is running even tho the machine insists
it isn't, but still the UNMOUNTABLE etc message. When it says that the
fan isn't running it asks if we want to continue, but if we say yes
then nothing works (ie keyboard), so I can't get it to go into "safe"
mode.

If anybody's got any ideas I could use the assistance.

Thanx,

Fader

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Article 23104
From: Filksinger" 
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:51:49 -0800
Subject: Re: Computer problems
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Several suggestions, but the signs aren't good.

The computer cannot read your hard drive. While this could be many things,
certainly the motherboard is a serious contender. The computer can't tell if
your CPU fan is working. The CPU fan is monitored by the motherboard.

Between the two of them, I'd lay odds that your motherboard is toast. Not
certain, but the best bet for the money.
-- 
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined

Fader wrote:
> Mark's having a problem with his computer, he's running WinXP, keeps
> getting the message, UNMOUNTBLE_BOOT_VOLUME in the midst of trying
> various things to get it running again we started getting a beep & the
> message the the CPU fan wasn't running. We started the computer up
> with the case open, & the fan is running even tho the machine insists
> it isn't, but still the UNMOUNTABLE etc message. When it says that the
> fan isn't running it asks if we want to continue, but if we say yes
> then nothing works (ie keyboard), so I can't get it to go into "safe"
> mode.
>
> If anybody's got any ideas I could use the assistance.
>
> Thanx,
>
> Fader



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Article 23105
From: cdozo 
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:44:07 -0600
Subject: Re: Computer problems
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Fader,

It could be a BIOS problem. The BIOS ROM is invloved in the initial
set-up the hard drive and (I'm pretty sure) the monitoring of the CPU
fan. So you might try resetting the BOIS to its default settings (or
if it's smart enough let it decide what your current setting should
be).    

The instructions for doing this should be in the manual for your
motherboard. If you can't find them there, try looking on the web. If
possible, you should back up your current BIOS settings first.  

Also, do NOT run fdisk, and do NOT reformat your hard drive. 

Hope this helps, Carol



On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:14:34 GMT, fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
wrote:

>Mark's having a problem with his computer, he's running WinXP, keeps
>getting the message, UNMOUNTBLE_BOOT_VOLUME in the midst of trying
>various things to get it running again we started getting a beep & the
>message the the CPU fan wasn't running. We started the computer up
>with the case open, & the fan is running even tho the machine insists
>it isn't, but still the UNMOUNTABLE etc message. When it says that the
>fan isn't running it asks if we want to continue, but if we say yes
>then nothing works (ie keyboard), so I can't get it to go into "safe"
>mode.
>
>If anybody's got any ideas I could use the assistance.
>
>Thanx,
>
>Fader


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Article 23106
From: JT 
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:35:48 -0500
Subject: Re: Computer problems
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

I agree that it doesn't sound good.  You can try "reseating" all of
the cable connections inside the machine, and also the RAM chips;
sometimes a cable may look connected but it's not fully seated, and
that can give errors.

But if that doesn't work, and resetting the BIOS doesn't work, it most
likely needs a new motherboard.  Those beeps are the lowest level
diagnostic there is.

I hope it's under warranty!

JT

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 10:44:07 -0600, cdozo
<cadozo@planet-save.comDELETE> wrote:

>Fader,
>
>It could be a BIOS problem. The BIOS ROM is invloved in the initial
>set-up the hard drive and (I'm pretty sure) the monitoring of the CPU
>fan. So you might try resetting the BOIS to its default settings (or
>if it's smart enough let it decide what your current setting should
>be).    
>
>The instructions for doing this should be in the manual for your
>motherboard. If you can't find them there, try looking on the web. If
>possible, you should back up your current BIOS settings first.  
>
>Also, do NOT run fdisk, and do NOT reformat your hard drive. 
>
>Hope this helps, Carol
>
>
>
>On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:14:34 GMT, fader55@delete.sbcglobal.net (Fader)
>wrote:
>
>>Mark's having a problem with his computer, he's running WinXP, keeps
>>getting the message, UNMOUNTBLE_BOOT_VOLUME in the midst of trying
>>various things to get it running again we started getting a beep & the
>>message the the CPU fan wasn't running. We started the computer up
>>with the case open, & the fan is running even tho the machine insists
>>it isn't, but still the UNMOUNTABLE etc message. When it says that the
>>fan isn't running it asks if we want to continue, but if we say yes
>>then nothing works (ie keyboard), so I can't get it to go into "safe"
>>mode.
>>
>>If anybody's got any ideas I could use the assistance.
>>
>>Thanx,
>>
>>Fader


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Article 23107
From: RPostelnek" 
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:33:52 -0600
Subject: New Heinlein book
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

According to an ad by in Baker and Taylor Forecast which is one place
libraries and bookstores order from, the book is coming out in Jan 04.  They
may be wrong, but it just came Saturday.

Rosie



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Article 23108
From: JT 
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:05:43 -0500
Subject: Re: New Heinlein book
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:33:52 -0600, "RPostelnek"
<rpostelnek@prodigy.net> wrote:

>According to an ad by in Baker and Taylor Forecast which is one place
>libraries and bookstores order from, the book is coming out in Jan 04.  They
>may be wrong, but it just came Saturday.
>
>Rosie
>
Amazon still hadn't switched it as of yesterday, either.  I figure it
will show up as soon as possible from them, so I'll just wait for a
nice package at latest around my birthday. ;)

JT

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Article 23109
From: Ed Johnson 
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:34:35 -0500
Subject: Re: New Breakthrough in Electricity Generation
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum

Filksinger:
   That is so cool!  There may be other discoveries like this one
that haven't been stumbled over as well.  

Ed J

>
>http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?id=a919bddb-ac41-4748-8872-ded552733d02


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