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Article 22493
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 00:17:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein FAQ
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Deb: Good Show! Concise and to the point.
Ed J
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 17:54:59 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
>
> I've added a FAQ on Heinlein to the website. This FAQ is about
>Heinlein-the-person. A separate one on his writings and works will
>follow some time later.
>
> If anyone has other Q/As that you think should be included, please
>let me know.
>
>http://www.robertaheinlein.com/articles/faq.htm
>
> Does anyone know of, or have, photos of the RAH home at Bonny Doon?
>I couldn't find any on the web--someone emailed me recently asking
>about it. How about the Laural Canyon home?
>
>
>Deb (D.A. Houdek)
>http://www.dahoudek.com
>http://www.robertaheinlein.com
>http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22494
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 01:36:32 -0400
Subject: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Did anyone else post this?
According to Jeff Rovin's SF Cinema column in Chronicle:
Warner Bros. has purchased the film rights to "Have Space Suit, Will Travel"
I seem to recall reading about some other film options that had recently
been taken out on RAH's works, but can't remember where.
I'm sure someone here could provide an update on what's currently optioned,
perhaps without even breaking any NDAs!
Just Curious
WJaKe
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Article 22495
From: James R. Cunningham"
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:07:03 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I believe that those who control the film rights think it best not to
talk about film options and contracts publicly.
All the best,
JimC
William J. Keaton wrote:
> I'm sure someone here could provide an update on what's currently optioned, perhaps without even breaking any NDAs!
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Article 22496
From: anonymous@sff.net (Anonymous Visitor)
Date: 13 Jun 2003 23:27:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Next Harry Potter Novel
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JoveBill wrote:
>>
Could be, could be... But why, in this scenario, is it a *secret* that Snape
is reponsible? Why is his role hidden -- and thus his personality turned
to
bitterness and hatred -- rather than him being celebrated as a hero? And
in
this scenario, why *ISN'T* he the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher
at
Hogwarts? He'd clearly be the most qualified individual in the world.
Not saying you're wrong, of course; it's just that your answer asks the
next
question.
-JovBill
>>
I think that they are hoping Voldemort doesn't know that it was Snape's
potion. Voldemort will go after Harry no matter what, for living, but if
he doesn't know of Snape's involvement, he might not go after Snape in particular.
Especially if Snape is still pretending to serve Voldemort.
Others have suggested that Snape loved Lily Potter, and that is why he both
hates and protects Harry. I agree that this is possible, and even likely,
but it doesn't necessarily go against what I said. Suppose she asked Snape
to save Harry, or gave a protective potion supplied by Snape to Harry, and
thus Harry lived? The last would certainly explain why he hates Harry; to
him, it would make Harry responsible for her death.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 22497
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:01:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"James R. Cunningham" <jrccea@bellsouth.net> wrote
> I believe that those who control the film rights think it best not to
> talk about film options and contracts publicly.
> All the best,
> JimC
?? It's reported regularly in Locus and Chronicle; that's where I hear about
it. I'm not talking about dollar amounts, just curious as to what other
stories people are thinking about.
For example, David Heyman, the producer of the Harry Potter movies, has an
option on The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. That's the kind of info I'm
wondering about.
WJaKe
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Article 22498
From: James R. Cunningham"
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:17:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
It's the job of Locus and Chronicle (I presume) to report things like
that. That doesn't necessarily mean that it is productive to do so. For
example, when Speilberg was negotiating with Ginny on the option for
TMIAHM, he insisted on a non-disclosure clause. She balked, and won.
But she was unsure of which way to go on it, and that bothered me at the
time. But my point is that he wanted non-disclosure, and he was the guy
providing the money. Early disclosure during negotiations and before the
contract is finalized and the last option payment received may not
always be in everyone's best interest. I make it a point not to
publicly discuss specific options on any of the copyrights under control
of the board I sit on, and I know several others who feel the same.
Needless to say, that doesn't mean we are correct, and I can understand
your curiousity.
William J. Keaton wrote:
>
> ?? It's reported regularly in Locus and Chronicle; that's where I hear about it.
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Article 22499
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:05:17 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 05:17:08 -0700, "James R. Cunningham"
<jrccea@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>It's the job of Locus and Chronicle (I presume) to report things like
>that. That doesn't necessarily mean that it is productive to do so.
>William J. Keaton wrote:
>>
>> ?? It's reported regularly in Locus and Chronicle; that's where I hear about it.
Hmm....the whole purpose of optioning a work is to eventually produce
something that fans will buy tickets to see. Getting the fans excited
early on is something just about any producer is going to WANT to do.
There's a point when they let the information out, and they HOPE as
many sources as possible report it.
I think all WJaKe wants to know is what's public knowledge out there
that he may not have heard.
I don't read any of the SF magazines regularly. If it doesn't get
reported on SciFi.com's newswire or talked about here, I tend to not
hear about it.
So I guess what I'm just thinking 'out loud' for Deb & Geo is that a
good part of your Heinlein site would be a "status" for RAH's work in
the process of being adapted to other mediums. ;)
JT
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Article 22500
From: James R. Cunningham"
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 15:18:43 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
JT wrote:
>
> There's a point when they let the information out, and they HOPE as
> many sources as possible report it.
That's true. I'm just adverse to letting it out before that point.
> I think all WJaKe wants to know is what's public knowledge out there
> that he may not have heard.
Once it becomes public knowledge, I'm all for word being spread around.
And I do wish all Robert's stuff was under option.
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Article 22501
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:56:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"James R. Cunningham" <jrccea@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3EEB9F43.2721B85D@bellsouth.net...
> JT wrote:
> >
> > There's a point when they let the information out, and they HOPE as
> > many sources as possible report it.
>
> That's true. I'm just adverse to letting it out before that point.
>
> > I think all WJaKe wants to know is what's public knowledge out there
> > that he may not have heard.
>
> Once it becomes public knowledge, I'm all for word being spread around.
> And I do wish all Robert's stuff was under option.
I don't! <g> It may have been optioned to the wrong people! Let's just say
that we could all name a movie or cartoon based on RAH's work that was not
what we expected.
And JT has me right. I was talking about public knowledge options that have
been reported. Believe me Mr. Cunningham, I would never expect you to "leak"
information on pending negotiations, especially if it could harm those
talks. And I agree you are correct in NOT discussing any specific task under
way.
So, does anyone, who can comment, have any thoughts on David Heyman and
TMiaHM? I've looked at his credits on IMDB, and don't see anything I know,
aside from Harry Potter. Frankly, unless the producer or executive producer
is a Big Name (Spielberg, Lucas, etc.) I'm not really sure how important it
is, creatively. Now, when they announce a scriptwriter and director, I'm
sure my ears will prick up a bit.
WJaKe
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Article 22502
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 10:09:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jake:
>
>I don't! <g> It may have been optioned to the wrong people! Let's just say
>that we could all name a movie or cartoon based on RAH's work that was not
>what we expected.
>
My thoughts exactly. I'd rather not be in a hurry to see the
Master's work turned into crap or grossly distorted on the big
screen. (Or trivialized on the small screen, either.)
Ed
On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 17:56:30 -0400, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>"James R. Cunningham" <jrccea@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>news:3EEB9F43.2721B85D@bellsouth.net...
>> JT wrote:
>> >
>> > There's a point when they let the information out, and they HOPE as
>> > many sources as possible report it.
>>
>> That's true. I'm just adverse to letting it out before that point.
>>
>> > I think all WJaKe wants to know is what's public knowledge out there
>> > that he may not have heard.
>>
>> Once it becomes public knowledge, I'm all for word being spread around.
>> And I do wish all Robert's stuff was under option.
>
>I don't! <g> It may have been optioned to the wrong people! Let's just say
>that we could all name a movie or cartoon based on RAH's work that was not
>what we expected.
>
>And JT has me right. I was talking about public knowledge options that have
>been reported. Believe me Mr. Cunningham, I would never expect you to "leak"
>information on pending negotiations, especially if it could harm those
>talks. And I agree you are correct in NOT discussing any specific task under
>way.
>
>So, does anyone, who can comment, have any thoughts on David Heyman and
>TMiaHM? I've looked at his credits on IMDB, and don't see anything I know,
>aside from Harry Potter. Frankly, unless the producer or executive producer
>is a Big Name (Spielberg, Lucas, etc.) I'm not really sure how important it
>is, creatively. Now, when they announce a scriptwriter and director, I'm
>sure my ears will prick up a bit.
>
>WJaKe
>
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Article 22506
From: James R. Cunningham"
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:36:15 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ed, I do understand and sympathise with your view, but it's a catch-22.
Robert and Ginny wanted the continuing income from movie rights (and
book sales) to be used to further their long term goals after their
deaths. If one elects not to option the movie rights when approached by
a responsible party, one delays and/or prohibits the accomplishment of
their goals. Which is better and which would they want to have happen?
I already know the answer to the second half of that question straight
from the horse's mouth. Frankly, except for Destination Moon, I don't
relate what I've seen on the screen to their work, because they didn't
have creative control of it.
Ed Johnson wrote:
> I'd rather not be in a hurry to see the
> Master's work turned into crap or grossly distorted on the big
> screen. (Or trivialized on the small screen, either.)
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Article 22507
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 23:21:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jim: You said it with "Catch-22". If you hold your nose every
time there is a serious offer to 'produce' one of Heinlein's works,
you turn down an opportunity to finance their long term goals.
I just hate the thought that a new generation might be turned off
by the likes of "Starship Troopers" the movie.
Good Luck and "Stay the Course"
Ed J
On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 14:36:15 -0700, "James R. Cunningham"
<jrccea@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>Ed, I do understand and sympathise with your view, but it's a catch-22.
>Robert and Ginny wanted the continuing income from movie rights (and
>book sales) to be used to further their long term goals after their
>deaths. If one elects not to option the movie rights when approached by
>a responsible party, one delays and/or prohibits the accomplishment of
>their goals. Which is better and which would they want to have happen?
>I already know the answer to the second half of that question straight
>from the horse's mouth. Frankly, except for Destination Moon, I don't
>relate what I've seen on the screen to their work, because they didn't
>have creative control of it.
>
>Ed Johnson wrote:
>
>> I'd rather not be in a hurry to see the
>> Master's work turned into crap or grossly distorted on the big
>> screen. (Or trivialized on the small screen, either.)
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Article 22508
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:10:23 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
> I just hate the thought that a new generation might be turned off
>by the likes of "Starship Troopers" the movie.
I don't actually think that would be the case. _We_ were turned off
by Starship Troopers, the movie, but as a sf action film it was pretty
good--fun characters, good action, nice spfx, pretty people showering
together, all in all not a bad movie. And it upped sales of the books,
so the movie can be a poor interpretation for us yet still draw people
in to the written books that may not otherwise have found them.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22509
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:14:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>
>So I guess what I'm just thinking 'out loud' for Deb & Geo is that a
>good part of your Heinlein site would be a "status" for RAH's work in
>the process of being adapted to other mediums. ;)
I'd been thinking that very thing. The basic problem, though, is
finding a source for accurate info to put on such a status page. I'd
be pretty much limited to the same "Locus", etc, sources. Unless
there's another angle on film right sources elsewhere, through the
film end rather than the literary end... not sure. I'll poke around on
that.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22510
From: David Wright"
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 14:19:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
news:3eee0746.404681@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>
> > I just hate the thought that a new generation might be turned off
> >by the likes of "Starship Troopers" the movie.
>
> I don't actually think that would be the case. _We_ were turned off
> by Starship Troopers, the movie, but as a sf action film it was pretty
> good--fun characters, good action, nice spfx, pretty people showering
> together, all in all not a bad movie. And it upped sales of the books,
> so the movie can be a poor interpretation for us yet still draw people
> in to the written books that may not otherwise have found them.
>
I think that a more probing question would be: how many of those who bought
the book went on to read other Heinlein books or didn't because it was so
totally different from the movie. IOW, did most of the people like the movie
because it was "good--fun characters, good action, nice spfx, pretty people
showering together" and find that the book was disappointing to them.
OTOH, I guess that one could say that even if only a small percentage of
those went on to read and like more Heinlein, then it was "worth" it even as
bad as it was.
--
David Wright
Join us at the First Annual Heinlein Awards Dinner
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Article 22511
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:27:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Deb: I would be curious to hear what a Jesuit thought of the
production of "Jesus Christ Superstar".
I never checked with those who had not previously heard of
Heinlein before seeing ST the movie. I have a thoroughly jaundiced
eye when it comes to viewing any production with RAH's name on it.
Ed J
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:10:23 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
>
>> I just hate the thought that a new generation might be turned off
>>by the likes of "Starship Troopers" the movie.
>
> I don't actually think that would be the case. _We_ were turned off
>by Starship Troopers, the movie, but as a sf action film it was pretty
>good--fun characters, good action, nice spfx, pretty people showering
>together, all in all not a bad movie. And it upped sales of the books,
>so the movie can be a poor interpretation for us yet still draw people
>in to the written books that may not otherwise have found them.
>
>
>Deb (D.A. Houdek)
>http://www.dahoudek.com
>http://www.robertaheinlein.com
>http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22512
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 20:57:38 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:14:08 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
>>
>>So I guess what I'm just thinking 'out loud' for Deb & Geo is that a
>>good part of your Heinlein site would be a "status" for RAH's work in
>>the process of being adapted to other mediums. ;)
>
> I'd been thinking that very thing. The basic problem, though, is
>finding a source for accurate info to put on such a status page. I'd
>be pretty much limited to the same "Locus", etc, sources. Unless
>there's another angle on film right sources elsewhere, through the
>film end rather than the literary end... not sure. I'll poke around on
>that.
>
Even that, though, might be welcome all in one place. You might not
be updating with rumours, but at least the "faithful" would have a
place to go to check up on the official word. <G>
JT
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Article 22513
From: Gordon G. Sollars
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:08:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
In article <3eee0aab.0@news.sff.net>, dwrighsr@alltel.net says...
> I think that a more probing question would be: how many of those who bought
> the book went on to read other Heinlein books or didn't because it was so
> totally different from the movie. IOW, did most of the people like the movie
> because it was "good--fun characters, good action, nice spfx, pretty people
> showering together" and find that the book was disappointing to them.
>
> OTOH, I guess that one could say that even if only a small percentage of
> those went on to read and like more Heinlein, then it was "worth" it even as
> bad as it was.
That is the point, I think, David. /We/ imagined how great it could
have been. But we are already among Mr. Heinlein's readers. The only
way the furthering of the sales of Mr. Heinlein's books are harmed is if
someone who was going to read, say, ST, anyway and /would/ have liked
it, sees the movie first and /because/ the book was not like the move,
does not like the book, and so he reads no more of Mr. Heinlein's work.
But, since the book /is/ better than the movie, a person who would be
disappointed in reading ST after having first seen the movie is unlikely
to read many of Mr. Heinlein's books anyway, so I don't think anything
is lost from the standpoint of book sales.
--
Gordon Sollars
gsollars@pobox.com
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Article 22514
From: David Wright"
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:55:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Gordon G. Sollars" <gsollars@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.195906eb7904a343989837@news.sff.net...
> In article <3eee0aab.0@news.sff.net>, dwrighsr@alltel.net says...
(snip)
> That is the point, I think, David. /We/ imagined how great it could
> have been. But we are already among Mr. Heinlein's readers. The only
> way the furthering of the sales of Mr. Heinlein's books are harmed is if
> someone who was going to read, say, ST, anyway and /would/ have liked
> it, sees the movie first and /because/ the book was not like the move,
> does not like the book, and so he reads no more of Mr. Heinlein's work.
>
> But, since the book /is/ better than the movie, a person who would be
> disappointed in reading ST after having first seen the movie is unlikely
> to read many of Mr. Heinlein's books anyway, so I don't think anything
> is lost from the standpoint of book sales.
>
That was my point. The direct impact on sales of ST is good, but of not much
other importance if it doesn't inspire the purchaser to go out and find
others by RAH and enjoy them.
However, the very fact that they have 'read' the book puts them way above
much of today's youth, who don't want to nor, in many cases, are able to,
read anything beyond billboards. One can hope.
--
David Wright
Join us at the First Annual Heinlein Awards Dinner
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Article 22515
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:33:16 GMT
Subject: Heinlein Movie Options
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
From what JT and I were talking about, I've added a page to mine &
Geo's Heinlein site on Heinlein works that have been optioned. I
totally bypassed all sf/f sources and went to tv/film sources, so this
listing is based on "The Business" media reports.
Preliminary page at:
http://www.robertaheinlein.com/news/movies.htm
The page isn't linked yet, so this is a preview look--seeking
feedback.
Also in progress is a Heinlein Works FAQ. Prelim at:
http://www.robertaheinlein.com/articles/faq2.htm
Any suggestions? Added questions/answers? Disputes with answers
currently given?
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22516
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:34:02 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein FAQ
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Deb: Good Show! Concise and to the point.
Thanks!
But it is a little scary when Heinleiners don't argue _something_.
;-)
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22517
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:28:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Next Harry Potter Novel
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 6/13/03 7:27 PM, in article 3eea5ddb.0@news.sff.net, "Anonymous Visitor"
<anonymous@sff.net> wrote:
> JoveBill wrote:
>>>
> Could be, could be... But why, in this scenario, is it a *secret* that Snape
> is reponsible? Why is his role hidden -- and thus his personality turned
> to
> bitterness and hatred -- rather than him being celebrated as a hero?
<snip>
> I think that they are hoping Voldemort doesn't know that it was Snape's
> potion.
OK, that much makes sense. But if his lack of advancement is just a
carefully crafted ruse to protect his life, why is he so *genuinely* bitter
and twisted over it? You don't suppose we could apply Occam's Razor and
conclude he's just a plain old mean-spirited SOB, do you? ;^) Or perhaps...
> Especially if Snape is still pretending to serve Voldemort.
....you mean to say he's only *pretending* to be a mean-spirited SOB, and he
really doesn't hate Harry after all?
> Others have suggested that Snape loved Lily Potter, and that is why he both
> hates and protects Harry.
Now *that's* an intriguing suggesting! If this weren't children's literature
we were talking about, you might even speculate that Snape was Harry's
*biological father* (I've often thought Harry's middle name should be "Luke"
<vbg>).
Well, I suppose we'll know -- or at least we'll know another little slice of
it -- in a few days, eh? (Though with my grad school schedule this summer, I
probably won't get to actually read it 'til August.)
-JovBill
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Article 22518
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 22:42:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 6/16/03 4:27 PM, in article 1q9sevo536u28icghmbhm47uccog3kpk18@4ax.com,
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net> wrote:
> I would be curious to hear what a Jesuit thought of the
> production of "Jesus Christ Superstar".
Funny you should mention that: It was in response to listening to the cast
album (which in turn was in response to hearing Helen Reddy's version of "I
Don't Know How To Love Him" on the radio) that I first thought seriously
about religion or read *any* part of the Bible.
I was therefore bemused a few years later when a fellow college student
treated me to a long, *very* earnest monologue about how sacreligious and
disrespectful that show was. ;^)
-JovBill
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Article 22519
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:33:48 -0700
Subject: Re: Next Harry Potter Novel
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Bill Dauphin wrote:
<snip>
> OK, that much makes sense. But if his lack of advancement is just a
> carefully crafted ruse to protect his life, why is he so *genuinely*
> bitter and twisted over it? You don't suppose we could apply Occam's
> Razor and conclude he's just a plain old mean-spirited SOB, do you?
> ;^) Or perhaps...
He created a defense against a spell that nobody has _ever_ survived. He
achieved the impossible, making him arguably the best at defense against the
dark arts ever.
What he wants? To be famous, recognized by everyone as the brilliant man who
defeated Voldemort. He wants to be the undisputed master of defense against
the dark arts.
What does he get? He is an obscure teacher of potions at Hogwarts. He is not
only not recognized for his achievement, he can't even get a position as the
teacher of the art he is the greatest living master of (in his mind, at
least). In addition, the child of a man he despised gets _all the credit_,
for having, in fact, done _nothing whatsoever_.
I'd say he has a lot of reason for being bitter.
>> Especially if Snape is still pretending to serve Voldemort.
>
> ...you mean to say he's only *pretending* to be a mean-spirited SOB,
> and he really doesn't hate Harry after all?
No. He hates Harry, or so I believe, but it is possible to hate Harry Potter
and not be an ally of Voldemort.
>> Others have suggested that Snape loved Lily Potter, and that is why
>> he both hates and protects Harry.
>
> Now *that's* an intriguing suggesting! If this weren't children's
> literature we were talking about, you might even speculate that Snape
> was Harry's
> *biological father* (I've often thought Harry's middle name should be
> "Luke" <vbg>).
I wouldn't completely rule it out, though if that were true, I think he
would hate Harry less. I could be wrong, though. Human beings sometimes have
strange emotional reactions that make little sense to most people. I usually
get it, though, even if I wouldn't feel the same way at all.
> Well, I suppose we'll know -- or at least we'll know another little
> slice of it -- in a few days, eh? (Though with my grad school
> schedule this summer, I probably won't get to actually read it 'til
> August.)
I understand. I'm not only busy, but broke (still out of work), so I'll be
waiting until my mother-in-law's friend buys the kids a copy (he gets them
all the books as they come in). Then I'll have to wait until they are both
done with it, and possibly my wife, as well. (I may be able to distract her
with the latest Sword of Truth novels, though....)
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 22520
From: Filksinger"
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:52:01 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Deb Houdek Rule wrote:
>> I just hate the thought that a new generation might be turned off
>> by the likes of "Starship Troopers" the movie.
>
> I don't actually think that would be the case. _We_ were turned off
> by Starship Troopers, the movie, but as a sf action film it was pretty
> good--fun characters, good action, nice spfx, pretty people showering
> together, all in all not a bad movie. And it upped sales of the books,
> so the movie can be a poor interpretation for us yet still draw people
> in to the written books that may not otherwise have found them.
Interestingly enough, as an action-adventure movie, I didn't like it much at
all. Of course, there is the fact that I dislike SF movies where they get
basic science _way_ wrong, but that was only a tiny bit of it. The
"troopers" were trained and fought so badly that I could take your average
sixth-grade class, train them for a week, take the six best, and easily have
them take six of those so-called soldiers.
I might even manage it with the six _worst_, if it was a war game instead of
real. _One_ real marine would have taken an entire squad of their original
training class, with little effort.
--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined
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Article 22521
From: Robert Slater"
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 21:25:22 -0700
Subject: Re: Heinlein Movie Options
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Was there actually 40 episodes? I hear their were only about 20 and they
didn't even finish the story arc for the first season. Anyone?
SIFI Rob
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
news:3ef07a0e.7806475@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>
> From what JT and I were talking about, I've added a page to mine &
> Geo's Heinlein site on Heinlein works that have been optioned. I
> totally bypassed all sf/f sources and went to tv/film sources, so this
> listing is based on "The Business" media reports.
>
> Preliminary page at:
>
> http://www.robertaheinlein.com/news/movies.htm
>
> The page isn't linked yet, so this is a preview look--seeking
> feedback.
>
> Also in progress is a Heinlein Works FAQ. Prelim at:
>
> http://www.robertaheinlein.com/articles/faq2.htm
>
> Any suggestions? Added questions/answers? Disputes with answers
> currently given?
>
>
> Deb (D.A. Houdek)
> http://www.dahoudek.com
> http://www.robertaheinlein.com
> http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22522
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 00:54:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Movie Options
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Are you planning to add older items, such as Destinaton Moon and whatnot to
the pre-produced list?
I like it so far.
WJaKe
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Article 22523
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 01:03:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
news:3eef081f.621904@NEWS.SFF.NET...
> >
> >So I guess what I'm just thinking 'out loud' for Deb & Geo is that a
> >good part of your Heinlein site would be a "status" for RAH's work in
> >the process of being adapted to other mediums. ;)
>
> I'd been thinking that very thing. The basic problem, though, is
> finding a source for accurate info to put on such a status page. I'd
> be pretty much limited to the same "Locus", etc, sources. Unless
> there's another angle on film right sources elsewhere, through the
> film end rather than the literary end... not sure. I'll poke around on
> that.
>
Don't worry about the limited sources. Locus and Chronicle will report this
stuff when it is announced to the public, but their circulation is still
pretty limited. How many of us actually get one or the other?
Even if you are just passing the word to us Heinlein afficianados, it's
useful and interesting info.
Heck, that's why I tossed it out here in the first place. Didn't know if the
rest of the gang knew there was some action in Heinlein's works.
WJaKe
P.S. The latest issue of Locus has raised a couple of other points I'll be
dropping here, as time permits. Hopefully by the weekend I'll be dropping
some RAH-related thoughts here.
Watch this space.
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Article 22524
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:17:20 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Movie Options
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Are you planning to add older items, such as Destinaton Moon and whatnot to
>the pre-produced list?
Yes--have to hunt up some of the data for production information &
credits. Current listings are from Variety archives. Learned from
David Silver just last month at Baycon that "Tom Corbet: Space Cadet"
was based on RAH's "Space Cadet"--series predates me by a few years so
though I've heard the name, have never seen it. Didn't find any copies
available on Amazon. "Destination Moon" is on DVD.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22525
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:17:24 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Movie Options
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Was there actually 40 episodes? I hear their were only about 20 and they
>didn't even finish the story arc for the first season. Anyone?
>SIFI Rob
The 40 episodes for "Roughnecks" came from an announcement/article
about the series starting to air with the planned number of episodes,
but I searched up a fan site today with an episode guide and it
claimed 2 seasons with 20 episodes each.
Found an interesting line in a review on Amazon.com:
"Paul Verhoeven's dark, satirical adaptation of Robert Heinlein's
Starship Troopers seriously strayed from the novel. This
Verhoeven-produced TV series--part sequel, part remake, all CGI
animated--hews closer to the spirit of the novel"
Has anyone seen the "Roughnecks" animated series?
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22526
From: Dean White"
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:38:15 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein Movie Options
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
news:3ef09d01.1802581@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>
> >Was there actually 40 episodes? I hear their were only about 20 and they
> >didn't even finish the story arc for the first season. Anyone?
> >SIFI Rob
>
> The 40 episodes for "Roughnecks" came from an announcement/article
> about the series starting to air with the planned number of episodes,
> but I searched up a fan site today with an episode guide and it
> claimed 2 seasons with 20 episodes each.
>
> Found an interesting line in a review on Amazon.com:
> "Paul Verhoeven's dark, satirical adaptation of Robert Heinlein's
> Starship Troopers seriously strayed from the novel. This
> Verhoeven-produced TV series--part sequel, part remake, all CGI
> animated--hews closer to the spirit of the novel"
>
> Has anyone seen the "Roughnecks" animated series?
>
>
> Deb (D.A. Houdek)
> http://www.dahoudek.com
> http://www.robertaheinlein.com
> http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
I haven't seen it, but I doubt that Verhoeven can 'hew closer to the spirit
of the novel' since I doubt he understands the novel, even if he has read
it.
--
www.DeanWhite.net
has contact information
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Article 22527
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 23:05:46 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Film Rights
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>P.S. The latest issue of Locus has raised a couple of other points I'll be
>dropping here, as time permits. Hopefully by the weekend I'll be dropping
>some RAH-related thoughts here.
Glad you're reading Locus closely. I have been just doing quick
glances through for a while. Let us know other interesting bits you
find.
If that list I put up is anywhere close to complete for movie
options, then I'm astounded at how few RAH works are optioned at any
given time. And those 1997 two probably aren't still valid.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22528
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:25:29 GMT
Subject: Movie Options - New Page
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The page for the Heinlein Movie Options, including already produced
works, is up. It looks like all but the two most recent options are
expired--Variety and Hollywood Reporter publish options purchased but
not when they run out.
http://www.robertaheinlein.com/news/movies.htm
Has anyone seen "Project Moonbase"?
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22529
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:28:04 GMT
Subject: Heinlein FAQ--his works
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
And the FAQ for Heinlein's works is up. Since last mentioned I added
the story behind "shines the name of Roger Young". Probably be adding
to it as more things come up. Most questions in both FAQs are things
that I've been asked over the years by people reading my RAH websites,
and some in-person questions I've fielded.
http://www.robertaheinlein.com/articles/faq2.htm
Additional questions/answers welcomed. Also expanded articles on any
of the points raised.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22530
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:33:21 GMT
Subject: Glory Road
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Years ago, pre-SFF.net (at least it's not in my Agent Outbox, which
I've never emptied), I posted a list of the literary, cultural and
historical references mentioned in "Glory Road". Anyone remember this
and have a copy? Or does anyone who archived posts have the ability to
find it without too much difficulty?
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22531
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 19:36:27 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein Movie Options
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>I haven't seen it, but I doubt that Verhoeven can 'hew closer to the spirit
>of the novel' since I doubt he understands the novel, even if he has read
>it.
So, not a Verhoeven fan, huh? ;-)
I still think "Starship Troopers" the movie has the best movie
rendition done yet of the opening scenes of "Tunnel in the Sky" with
the high school part.
OTOH, the best movie rendition of "Starship Troopers" the book still
remains the movie "Aliens".
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 22532
From: Dean White"
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 18:00:58 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein Movie Options
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
news:3ef6100f.9381730@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>
> >I haven't seen it, but I doubt that Verhoeven can 'hew closer to the
spirit
> >of the novel' since I doubt he understands the novel, even if he has read
> >it.
>
> So, not a Verhoeven fan, huh? ;-)
>
> I still think "Starship Troopers" the movie has the best movie
> rendition done yet of the opening scenes of "Tunnel in the Sky" with
> the high school part.
>
> OTOH, the best movie rendition of "Starship Troopers" the book still
> remains the movie "Aliens".
>
>
> Deb (D.A. Houdek)
> http://www.dahoudek.com
> http://www.robertaheinlein.com
> http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
Nope, of his last half dozen movies I only liked Robocop of the others I
could only finish Basic Instinct.
There is something I find repellent about what seems to be his world view.
--
www.DeanWhite.net
has contact information
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Article 22533
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 17:22:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Movie Options - New Page
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Deb Houdek Rule" <debrule@dahoudek.com> wrote in message
news:3ef20d43.8665269@NEWS.SFF.NET...
>
> The page for the Heinlein Movie Options, including already produced
> works, is up. It looks like all but the two most recent options are
> expired--Variety and Hollywood Reporter publish options purchased but
> not when they run out.
> http://www.robertaheinlein.com/news/movies.htm
>
> Has anyone seen "Project Moonbase"?
>
Somewhere, I don't recall where, i acquired a VHS copy of "Project
Moonbase". I have yet to crack the shrinkwrap on it, had kind of forgotten
it was sitting on the shelf. Something to do tonight...
WJaKe
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Article 22534
From: JT
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:42:44 -0400
Subject: test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I'm testing the M2 Newsreader within Opera. Anyone else using it?
JT
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Article 22535
From: JT
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 20:25:52 -0400
Subject: Re: test
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 19:42:44 -0400, JT <jt@rem0ve.sff.net> wrote:
>I'm testing the M2 Newsreader within Opera. Anyone else using it?
>
>JT
Hmmm. No one told me that Forte was upgrading Agent/Free Agent
again... Since it finally supports inline URLs, I may just stick with
it until 2.0 comes out and they finally support multiple news servers!
JT
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Article 22536
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:34:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Heinlein Movie Options
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Deb: I have seen some of "Tom Corbet" and I don't know if any old
kinescopes (sp?) of that series were saved. I wouldn't be surprised
if Doc and BC haven't also seen that old TV series. IIRC, it aired
in the early `50s. Anyone else recall seeing Tom Corbet: Space
Cadet?
Ed J
On Wed, 18 Jun 2003 17:17:20 GMT, debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek
Rule) wrote:
>
>>Are you planning to add older items, such as Destinaton Moon and whatnot to
>>the pre-produced list?
>
> Yes--have to hunt up some of the data for production information &
>credits. Current listings are from Variety archives. Learned from
>David Silver just last month at Baycon that "Tom Corbet: Space Cadet"
>was based on RAH's "Space Cadet"--series predates me by a few years so
>though I've heard the name, have never seen it. Didn't find any copies
>available on Amazon. "Destination Moon" is on DVD.
>
>
>Deb (D.A. Houdek)
>http://www.dahoudek.com
>http://www.robertaheinlein.com
>http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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