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Article 21921
From: djinn
Date: 3 Nov 2002 06:09:56 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein's Black N?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in
news:3dc4a3c3.0@news.sff.net:
> The picture isn't clear enough to allow me to read what is in his
> yearbook entry, but I can make out "Black N" in the lower left hand
> corner.
>
> It also appears to contain a quote or two from the young Lt. to be.
> I'll have to search for this one a bit.
>
> WJaKe
>
>
>
Try
http://www.cs.colorado.edu/%7Emain/art/academy.1929.jpg.
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Article 21922
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 02:00:11 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein's Black N?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"djinn" <qinjingyou@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92BAE17A1F1AFmmii@208.14.208.52...
> "William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in
> news:3dc4a3c3.0@news.sff.net:
>
> > The picture isn't clear enough to allow me to read what is in his
> > yearbook entry, but I can make out "Black N" in the lower left hand
> > corner.
> >
> > It also appears to contain a quote or two from the young Lt. to be.
> > I'll have to search for this one a bit.
> >
> > WJaKe
> >
> >
> >
>
> Try
> http://www.cs.colorado.edu/%7Emain/art/academy.1929.jpg.
Thanks djinn! Don't know why that didn't show up in my search, although I
did find a copy of the 1929 Lucky Bag for sale on Ebay!
WJaKe
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Article 21923
From: David Wright"
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 16:35:01 -0500
Subject: Logs for 10-10/10-12-2002 Discussions of Heinlein Reading Group now Available
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
The logs for the 10-10 and 10-12-2002 Discussions of the Heinlein Reading
Groups are now available.
The Subject was "The Juveniles - How to Teach them"
http://dwrighsr.tripod.com/heinlein/TJHT_AIM_10-10-2002.html
http://dwrighsr.tripod.com/heinlein/TJHT_AIM_10-12-2002.html
--
Related Heinlein Web Pages
http://www.heinleinsociety.org/
http://readinggroupsonline.com/group/robertaheinlein.html
http://www.alltel.net/~dwrighsr/heinlein.html
http://www.nitrosyncretic.com
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Article 21924
From: Geo Rule
Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 18:49:11 -0800
Subject: Re: Heinlein's Black N?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Jake, one of the Heinlein Journal articles is on Heinlein's Black N's.
That issue is online at
http://members.aol.com/agplusone/THJ1notes.htm#HEINLEIN'S%20BLACK%20N'S
Btw, the son of one of RAH's classmates (different year) contacted Deb
(because of our RAH Annapolis page) a few weeks ago with a fuller
explanation of how RAH got the particular Black N you are referring
to. We put him in contact with Bill Patterson, and I'm assuming that
the results will show up in Bill's biography of RAH by and by.
Btw, our RAH Annapolis page has all the y-book pictures of RAH. We
have all 4 issues of The Lucky Bag for the RAH years.
http://www.robertaheinlein.com/heinleinhistory/annapolis.htm
On Sun, 3 Nov 2002 02:00:11 -0500, "William J. Keaton"
<wjake@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>"djinn" <qinjingyou@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns92BAE17A1F1AFmmii@208.14.208.52...
>> "William J. Keaton" <wjake@prodigy.net> wrote in
>> news:3dc4a3c3.0@news.sff.net:
>>
>> > The picture isn't clear enough to allow me to read what is in his
>> > yearbook entry, but I can make out "Black N" in the lower left hand
>> > corner.
>> >
>> > It also appears to contain a quote or two from the young Lt. to be.
>> > I'll have to search for this one a bit.
>> >
>> > WJaKe
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
Geo Rule
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
****
Specializing in the Confederate Secret Service,
the Sultana, Gratiot St. Prison, Jesse James & Friends,
Copperheads, the Northwest Conspiracy, and the Damn Dutch
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Article 21925
From: William J. Keaton"
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 22:30:31 -0500
Subject: Re: Heinlein's Black N?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Thanks Geo! I can't imagine why some of these pages didn't pop up in my
search. What I really can't figure out is why I didn't make the connection
with Expanded Universe. Slippage, definite slippage!
WJaKe
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Article 21926
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 4 Nov 2002 16:47:40 GMT
Subject: Own Some Heinlein History
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Left on Deb's homepage message board today. . .
"i have only recently been aware and interested in robert heinlein's works,
amazing since i've grown up and lived my whole life within 30 miles of his
birthplace. i thought you might find it interesting that just this week
in our local paper, the heinlein birthplace in butler,mo, has been placed
on the market."
Okay, pass the hat. . .
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Article 21927
From: JT@REM0VE.sff.net (JT)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 23:29:08 GMT
Subject: Re: Own Some Heinlein History
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
On 4 Nov 2002 16:47:40 GMT, georule@civilwarstlouis.com wrote:
>Left on Deb's homepage message board today. . .
>
>"i have only recently been aware and interested in robert heinlein's works,
>amazing since i've grown up and lived my whole life within 30 miles of his
>birthplace. i thought you might find it interesting that just this week
>in our local paper, the heinlein birthplace in butler,mo, has been placed
>on the market."
>
> Okay, pass the hat. . .
Well, the Heinlein Society needs a home base, doesn't it? <VBG>
Bring it up to the board, at least, so they know about it.
JT
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Article 21928
From: georule@civilwarstlouis.com
Date: 5 Nov 2002 00:35:15 GMT
Subject: Re: Own Some Heinlein History
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I did send Bill an email with it and contact info for the lady who left
it.
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Article 21929
From: Bob
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 06:34:01 -0800
Subject: Re: Air Powered Car
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
De-lurking for a moment.
All fine and dandy, but as a resident of Sacramento ( where it's hotternhell in
the summer), how would one have a/c on this vehicle?
Yes, it's a great idea, if the physics work ( and I do not have enough knowledge
of physics to comment on that.)
Bob (Registered Old Fart)
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Article 21930
From: hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai Johnson-Pickett)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:29:56 GMT
Subject: Remember when...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
....we used to hang around the forum all night when there was an
election going on?
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Article 21931
From: RPostelnek"
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 23:07:17 -0600
Subject: Windows XP????
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hi,
How are you all? I am getting a new computer and vaguely remember reading
that Windows XP kept track of all the Web sites you visited and reported
them someplace. Does it really do this or something like this. I don't
want to be spied on like that. Do you have any recommendations for an
operating system?
thanks
Rosie
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Article 21932
From: Geo Rule
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:20:02 -0800
Subject: Re: Remember when...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Well, I'm here. I had a sniff yesterday that the Dems were worried
about the Senate. They were talking big about governorships and
nothing else.
Dole won in North Carolina, and now Sununu in NH. Cleland is in
serious trouble in Georgia. I can imagine 50-50. . .and then the
other Lib Republican (uh. . .Jeffords?) bolting to restore the status
quo.
Minnesota is liable to be a real mess. If Fritz loses by a few
thousand it could be months. . .
On Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:29:56 GMT, hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai
Johnson-Pickett) wrote:
>...we used to hang around the forum all night when there was an
>election going on?
Geo Rule
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
****
Specializing in the Confederate Secret Service,
the Sultana, Gratiot St. Prison, Jesse James & Friends,
Copperheads, the Northwest Conspiracy, and the Damn Dutch
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Article 21933
From: Geo Rule
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 19:22:47 -0800
Subject: Re: Remember when...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Lautenberg annoys me tho. The way that came down was just wrong.
On Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:29:56 GMT, hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai
Johnson-Pickett) wrote:
>...we used to hang around the forum all night when there was an
>election going on?
Geo Rule
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
****
Specializing in the Confederate Secret Service,
the Sultana, Gratiot St. Prison, Jesse James & Friends,
Copperheads, the Northwest Conspiracy, and the Damn Dutch
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Article 21934
From: Geo Rule
Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 20:12:01 -0800
Subject: Re: Remember when...
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Here's a prediction: If the Repubs win a clear majority in the
Senate (more than 1 vote), one of the conservative SC justices will
retire within the year. Probably Rehnquist.
On Wed, 06 Nov 2002 02:29:56 GMT, hf_jai@prodigy.net (Jai
Johnson-Pickett) wrote:
>...we used to hang around the forum all night when there was an
>election going on?
Geo Rule
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
****
Specializing in the Confederate Secret Service,
the Sultana, Gratiot St. Prison, Jesse James & Friends,
Copperheads, the Northwest Conspiracy, and the Damn Dutch
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Article 21935
From: Michael P. Calligaro"
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:03:14 -0800
Subject: Re: Windows XP????
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Hey Rosie, good to hear from you.
Every web browser stores links to the websites you visit, allowing you to go
back to them later. And, every one of them lets you clear that History
whenever you'd like. In the XP version of internet explorer the way to do
this is to pull down the "Tools" menu and select, "Internet Options." That
will bring up a box with a bunch of tabs across the top that has defaulted
to the first (General). Near the bottom of that page you'll see two
different options for "History." The first is "Days to keep pages in
history" and you can set that to 0 (I believe that would mean it doesn't
keep any history). The second is a button that says, "Clear History." If
you click that, it'll clear whatever it currently has stored.
I'm unaware of anything that reports your history anywhere. It's possible
that there's some sort of child protection feature that lets you have it
send the history to you, but I'm not sure. I certainly don't believe that
it's sending history anywhere by default.
There IS something that looks at your machine's hardware specification and
asks if you'd like that to be sent in (once, while you're installing). I'm
pretty sure the default there is to send the information, but it's machine
hardware, not websites you've visited or email you've sent, etc. I also
believe you have the option to not send it. If the machine is coming with
the OS preinstalled, that part may have already been done for you. This
part caused a lot of commotion, and is likely the thing you heard about.
There is also an option to have your computer check a website and
automatically download security patches, etc. But, it asks you if you want
to enable that feature, and again it doesn't send private information about
you. Just what patches you have and haven't yet installed. I haven't heard
many people complain about this, other than to say that there sure are a lot
of security patches. (-:
There is also something where when an app crashes it collects information
about the cause of the crash and asks you to send that information to
Microsoft. You don't have to, but if you do, it should be sending specific
issues with the application that crashed, not your personal stuff. Doing so
is a huge benefit to all users of the software, because it specifically
tells the company who wrote the app (the feature works for non-MS apps as
well) what problems are actually affecting users. The numbers with that are
pretty staggering. We've found that, literally, 95% of all problems users
find boil down to 5% of the total bugs in the product. So a company getting
that information can fix 5% of their bugs and drastically improve the
situation for everyone.
bytor
"RPostelnek" <RPostelnek@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:3dc8850d.0@news.sff.net...
> How are you all? I am getting a new computer and vaguely remember reading
> that Windows XP kept track of all the Web sites you visited and reported
> them someplace. Does it really do this or something like this. I don't
> want to be spied on like that. Do you have any recommendations for an
> operating system?
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Article 21936
From: Ed Johnson
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 00:28:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Windows XP????
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
bytor: Thanks for some useful info.
Ed J
On Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:03:14 -0800, "Michael P. Calligaro"
<bytor@mystikeep.com> wrote:
>Hey Rosie, good to hear from you.
>
>Every web browser stores links to the websites you visit, allowing you to go
>back to them later. And, every one of them lets you clear that History
>whenever you'd like. In the XP version of internet explorer the way to do
>this is to pull down the "Tools" menu and select, "Internet Options." That
>will bring up a box with a bunch of tabs across the top that has defaulted
>to the first (General). Near the bottom of that page you'll see two
>different options for "History." The first is "Days to keep pages in
>history" and you can set that to 0 (I believe that would mean it doesn't
>keep any history). The second is a button that says, "Clear History." If
>you click that, it'll clear whatever it currently has stored.
>
>I'm unaware of anything that reports your history anywhere. It's possible
>that there's some sort of child protection feature that lets you have it
>send the history to you, but I'm not sure. I certainly don't believe that
>it's sending history anywhere by default.
>
>There IS something that looks at your machine's hardware specification and
>asks if you'd like that to be sent in (once, while you're installing). I'm
>pretty sure the default there is to send the information, but it's machine
>hardware, not websites you've visited or email you've sent, etc. I also
>believe you have the option to not send it. If the machine is coming with
>the OS preinstalled, that part may have already been done for you. This
>part caused a lot of commotion, and is likely the thing you heard about.
>
>There is also an option to have your computer check a website and
>automatically download security patches, etc. But, it asks you if you want
>to enable that feature, and again it doesn't send private information about
>you. Just what patches you have and haven't yet installed. I haven't heard
>many people complain about this, other than to say that there sure are a lot
>of security patches. (-:
>
>There is also something where when an app crashes it collects information
>about the cause of the crash and asks you to send that information to
>Microsoft. You don't have to, but if you do, it should be sending specific
>issues with the application that crashed, not your personal stuff. Doing so
>is a huge benefit to all users of the software, because it specifically
>tells the company who wrote the app (the feature works for non-MS apps as
>well) what problems are actually affecting users. The numbers with that are
>pretty staggering. We've found that, literally, 95% of all problems users
>find boil down to 5% of the total bugs in the product. So a company getting
>that information can fix 5% of their bugs and drastically improve the
>situation for everyone.
>
>bytor
>
>
>"RPostelnek" <RPostelnek@prodigy.net> wrote in message
>news:3dc8850d.0@news.sff.net...
>> How are you all? I am getting a new computer and vaguely remember reading
>> that Windows XP kept track of all the Web sites you visited and reported
>> them someplace. Does it really do this or something like this. I don't
>> want to be spied on like that. Do you have any recommendations for an
>> operating system?
>
>
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Article 21937
From: ShiraDaemon"
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 10:37:22 -0500
Subject: from http://espn.go.com/page2/s/tmq/021105.html
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Speaking of the defense budget, Boeing also said that it had funded the Bird
of Prey program privately, at a cost of $67 million, so that any technology
developed would be proprietary. Meanwhile the F22 fighter development
program for the Air Force, run by Lockheed Martin, has burned through $26
billion of the taxpayers' money over a decade and is yet to field
operational aircraft No. 1. So when a contractor has to spend its own money,
it can engineer, build and fly a radical new design for $67 million. When
the taxpayer is footing the bill on a cost-plus basis, it takes 10 years and
$26 billion to accomplish nothing but generating demands for more money. TMQ
wonders if Klingon battle cruisers are developed on a cost-plus basis.
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Article 21938
From: Bill Dauphin
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 14:50:07 -0500
Subject: Re: from http://espn.go.com/page2/s/tmq/021105.html
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Ahh, something I actually know a little bit about!
On 11/6/02 10:37 AM, in article 3dc9365e.0@news.sff.net, "ShiraDaemon"
<shiradaemon@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Speaking of the defense budget, Boeing also said that it had funded the Bird
> of Prey program privately, at a cost of $67 million, so that any technology
> developed would be proprietary. Meanwhile the F22 fighter development
> program for the Air Force, run by Lockheed Martin, has burned through $26
> billion of the taxpayers' money over a decade and is yet to field
> operational aircraft No. 1.
The Bird of Prey, unspeakably cool though it may be, is a mind-bogglingly
primitive airplane in almost every respect except for the stealth
technologies it was designed to test. It's based on a motley collection of
off-the-shelf parts, including a bizjet engine. It's not only not
supersonic, it's not even fast subsonic; no attempt has been made to
optimize its performance, other than to make sure it can fly safely. It has
virtually no avionics (little more than a GPS and a radio, if I'm
remembering the AvWeek article correctly), nor could it conceivably mount
any sort of weapons or combat equipment.
Mind you, I'm not criticizing. It's a very neat thing that Boeing has done.
But it's only a cheap-and-dirty experiment, and comparing it to the F-22
development program is not just apple-to-oranges, it's apples-to-orangutans.
The F-22 (recently redesignated the F/A-22, BTW, to reflect its multiple
missions) is the most capable combat aircraft the world has ever seen, by a
long margin. While it's true that no F/A-22 has entered operational service,
there are many of them (tens? dozens? I forget the number) flying daily in
the Engineering and Manufacturing Development (EMD) program, and most of
those are virtually identical to the production aircraft that will (soon)
enter frontline service. In any case, they're *LIGHT YEARS* closer to being
"operational" than Boeing's Bird of Prey ever will be.
I don't know where you got that $26 billion number, and I can't comment on
whether it's right... But I'm guessing that's *total program* costs, so it
may well extend back *more* than a decade, to the earliest concept
definition studies for what was then called the "Advanced Tactical Fighter."
Remember that the program to date included efforts by (IIRC) three
contractor teams, from which two -- one led by Lockheed (before it was
Lockheed Martin) and the other led by Northrop (before it was Northrop
Grumman) -- were downselected to build and fly 2 prototypes each (the losing
design, Northrop's YF-23, was almost as cool looking as the BoP, BTW). After
the final downselect of the F-22, there was another design/development phase
before the development flight test program began. Remember that the effort
was not just to develop an airplane, but a whole system, from production to
the field: Facilities, airframes, flight avionics, combat avionics, weapons
systems, support equipment, maintenance equipment and procedures, pilot
training, maintenance training, combat operational concepts....
And here's the thing: In a program like this, a HUGE majority of the total
cost is for labor. I know it's easy to equate that with fatcat corporate
CEOs, but the truth is most of it goes to middle-class people -- engineers
and program managers and variety of specialists, for instance, along with
military officers serving in a variety of capacities -- and working class
people -- union-represented machinists and enlisted service personnel, for
instance. Hardworking people doing a job and making a (usually
decent-but-modest) living, just like their peers at other companies working
on private-sector projects. So all that "wasted" money is really being
recycled as economic activity. Ask the folks who sell groceries in towns
with contractor facilities if *they* want programs cut.
And if you think contractor employees working government programs goof off
and featherbed, you've obviously never been around such a program. I know
whereof I speak: I'm a technical editor at Pratt & Whitney. I spent
*Christmas Eve* of 1990 finishing our proposal for the F-22's engine, and
since we won that competition I've put in many hundreds of hours of
*uncompensated* overtime working on F-22-related documents. And I'm only on
the periphery of the program: I promise you, the engineers and managers on
the front lines work like *draft horses*.
> So when a contractor has to spend its own money,
> it can engineer, build and fly a radical new design for $67 million. When
> the taxpayer is footing the bill on a cost-plus basis, it takes 10 years and
> $26 billion to accomplish nothing but generating demands for more money.
It's really more a matter of the size of the project. I'm sure the people
Boeing had on the BoP project were the very same engineers, managers,
machinists, and assemblers that work Boeing's military contracts, drawing
the same pay and benefits and bearing the same overhead cost burdens. The
difference is that the BoP project was, relatively speaking, a VERY simple,
small job compared to the F-22 (or any) weapon system development. And keep
in mind that Boeing didn't choose to fund the project inhouse out of an
altruistic desire to save the taxpayers some money; they did it to keep the
technology proprietary, no doubt in the hope that they can eventually make
*more* money (necessarily from the taxpayers, since the military is the only
legitimate customer for stealth technology) by virtue of the exclusive
rights.
The BoP is neat... more power to Boeing for building it. And the F/A-22 is
and will in fact be a very expensive airplane. It's perfectly reasonable to
question whether the F/A-22 is a good investment for the country, but to
suggest that contractors effectively sit around lighting their cigars with
the taxpayers' $100 bills is just not correct.
Sorry for the rant; this is something I regularly get beat up over in
another forum. The difference is, over there, they wouldn't listen to my
side; here, I know folks will.
-JovBill
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Article 21939
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:03:51 GMT
Subject: Re: New Heinlein Site
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>"Gulf" is still in the works, Deb. After that I don't know.
Looking forward to seeing it. I just reread Gulf a few weeks ago and
actually found it a tad tedious in parts. Trying to see the kinship to
"Friday" was interesting, but seemed a touch strained.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 21940
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:03:51 GMT
Subject: Re: New Heinlein Site
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Deb: Excellent job! Well done (I checked it out days ago <g>).
Thanks. I'd have had the site done sooner but I was determined to
figure out how to get the menu bar down the left on every page yet for
me to only have to update it on one page, _without_ using frames. I
hate frames as a user but they do make navigation easy from the
web-writer end.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 21941
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:03:51 GMT
Subject: Re: New Heinlein Site
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>
>I haven't forgotten that I owe you one on _The Door Into Summer_. I actually
>went out and bought a new copy of the book when I couldn't locate my old
>one, and re-read it specifically so I could write the review... Then I got
>overcome by events, and now it's been so long that I need to re-read it
>*again*! <sigh>
I can see writing the review to be a chore, but hopefully rereading
Door Into Summer is a pleasure!
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 21942
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:37:30 GMT
Subject: Re: Heinlein's Black N?
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
>Thanks Geo! I can't imagine why some of these pages didn't pop up in my
>search. What I really can't figure out is why I didn't make the connection
>with Expanded Universe. Slippage, definite slippage!
What search engine do you use? I may need to submit the sites there
to get them listed--not every search engine crawls the whole web.
The original Heinlein at Annapolis page on my homepage came up at the
top of a Google search on "Heinlein Annapolis" but the new page at
http://www.robertaheinlein.com didn't. It takes a while for all pages
to get listed in the search engines--the main page is showing up on
Google but the subpages aren't yet. I didn't have "Black N"s mentioned
anywhere but "Heinlein Lucky Bag" came up at the top on Google. I
added a link to the Washington Post article on the new site's
Annapolis page.
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 21943
From: debrule@dahoudek.com (Deb Houdek Rule)
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:43:40 GMT
Subject: Star Wars is Dune
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
A new debate on Star Wars and Dune began in my homepage guestbook
and is now carried over to the Discussion Forum on the new Heinlein
site ( http://www.robertaheinlein.com ).
My piece on how Star Wars really is Dune on my homepage (
http://www.dahoudek.com/pages/starwarsdune.htm ), that I originally
posted here, gets quite a few hits and links elsewhere.
It--surprisingly--is in some college professor's required reading list
for his class.
Anyhow, someone posted a note in my guestbook about it in my
homepage guestbook ( http://www.dahoudek.com/guestlog.htm ) to which I
responded at length. The debate has now shifted over to the Heinlein
sites Discussion Forum with Geo and I reprising a debate we've been
having on and off for about ten years-- stop by and join in. I'm
curious which way the sf vs fantasy choice shakes out amongst other
Heinleiners.
http://www.robertaheinlein.com/forum/disc4_frm.htm
Deb (D.A. Houdek)
http://www.dahoudek.com
http://www.robertaheinlein.com
http://www.civilwarstlouis.com
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Article 21944
From: Michael P. Calligaro"
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 19:57:44 -0800
Subject: Re: Windows XP????
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Any time, Ed.
bytor
"Ed Johnson" <eljohn2@comcast.spamthis.net > wrote in message
> bytor: Thanks for some useful info.
>
> Ed J
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Article 21945
From: SpaceCadet
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 22:41:31 -0600
Subject: Re: Good Jokes
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Two mathematicians went out to lunch. Over lunch, one
complained that most people don't understand even basic
math. The other took a more optimistic view. A short time
later, while the pessimist was in the bathroom, the other
called the waitress over. "I am going to call you over in a
few minutes," he explained, "and I am going to ask you a
question. I want you to answer X3/3. OK?"....When the
pessimist came back, he called the waitress over. "Look,
I'll prove people understand math better than you think. OK,
young lady, what is the integral of X2?"... "X3/3" she
slowly repeated and walked away. Then she turned around and
said,
"Plus a constant."
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Article 21946
From: fader555@aol.com (Fader)
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 07:56:41 GMT
Subject: Fireworks
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I had some fun with this one, gives the fingers a good workout.
http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm
enjoy,
Fader
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Article 21947
From: Geo Rule
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 07:09:12 -0800
Subject: Re: Fireworks
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
Kewl!
On Thu, 07 Nov 2002 07:56:41 GMT, fader555@aol.com (Fader) wrote:
>I had some fun with this one, gives the fingers a good workout.
>
>http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm
>
>enjoy,
>Fader
Geo Rule
www.civilwarstlouis.com
****
Specializing in the Confederate Secret Service,
the Sultana, Gratiot St. Prison,
Jesse James & Friends, Copperheads,
the Northwest Conspiracy, and the Damn Dutch.
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Article 21948
From: Filksinger"
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 18:49:08 -0800
Subject: Re: Windows XP????
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
RPostelnek wrote:
> Hi,
>
> How are you all? I am getting a new computer and vaguely remember
> reading that Windows XP kept track of all the Web sites you visited
> and reported them someplace. Does it really do this or something
> like this. I don't want to be spied on like that. Do you have any
> recommendations for an operating system?
XP does nothing of the sort. It keeps track, true, but all browsers do, and
it doesn't send the info anywhere.
However, many other programs do exactly what you describe. They are called
"spyware". To find out if you have one on your system, go to
www.lavasoftusa.com and download Ad-Aware.
Filksinger
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Article 21949
From: Michael P. Calligaro"
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 19:54:45 -0800
Subject: Re: Windows XP????
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
I found a really cool program this week for this kind of thing. It's built
into XP, so you don't have to go to a website and download anything (which
can be a dangerous thing).
It's in a strange place, but go to your windows directory (often c:\windows)
and then go to system32\dllcache and run msinfo32.exe. Within the program,
go to Software Environment->Startup Programs and you'll see everything
that's set to run on start.
Now, deciphering which of these thing are SUPPOSED to be there and which
aren't can be tricky, and figuring out what to do with them when you
determine that you've got things that shouldn't be there can also be tricky.
But this is still a cool tool. If anyone thinks they may have something
that they don't want running, they can use this program, "export" the data
to a text file, and post it here. I (and others I'm sure) would be happy to
decipher it and, if you've got bad stuff, walk you through getting rid of
it.
bytor
"Filksinger" <filksinger@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:3dcc8313.0@news.sff.net...
> However, many other programs do exactly what you describe. They are called
> "spyware". To find out if you have one on your system, go to
> www.lavasoftusa.com and download Ad-Aware.
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Article 21950
From: Dean White"
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 22:15:37 -0600
Subject: Re: Windows XP????
Newsgroups: sff.discuss.heinlein-forum
"Michael P. Calligaro" <bytor@mystikeep.com> wrote in message
news:3dcdd880.0@news.sff.net...
> I found a really cool program this week for this kind of thing. It's
built
> into XP, so you don't have to go to a website and download anything (which
> can be a dangerous thing).
>
> It's in a strange place, but go to your windows directory (often
c:\windows)
> and then go to system32\dllcache and run msinfo32.exe. Within the
program,
> go to Software Environment->Startup Programs and you'll see everything
> that's set to run on start.
>
> Now, deciphering which of these thing are SUPPOSED to be there and which
> aren't can be tricky, and figuring out what to do with them when you
> determine that you've got things that shouldn't be there can also be
tricky.
> But this is still a cool tool. If anyone thinks they may have something
> that they don't want running, they can use this program, "export" the data
> to a text file, and post it here. I (and others I'm sure) would be happy
to
> decipher it and, if you've got bad stuff, walk you through getting rid of
> it.
>
This also works in Windows 2000Pro/Server
-- Dean White
www.deanwhite.net
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